Double barrel pistol

[ssgt splatter]

sup

B***H, please....

HOLLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!! How dangerous was life back in the 1800s?

 

[Zantos]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

 

[Hazy992]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

I concur. Truely a gentleman's gun, usable for all dueling purposes.

Indeed. Quite.

 

[Hazy992]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

 

[spartan231490]

kick is the real enemy with handguns, not limited power. I would be intrigued if this was like a .22 handgun, but as a heavy caliber I'm not interested. Just makes repeated shots and hitting a moving target all the more difficult.

 

[Zantos]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

 

[Petromir]

again in modern warfare pulling a pistol is about as useful as fixing your bayonet... that is to say if that order is ever given you are dead already

There are a number of British soldiers who would beg to differ.Successful bayonet actions have taken place in Afghanistan and Iraq. Clearly no-one wants to be in that close but at pistol range things are hardly peachy.

One of the primary reasons longarms are issued to officers over sidearms is to stop making them such obvious targets.

Not sure about this wounding round rubbish, if you're shooting someone then killing is your objective, especially within effective pistol range. At close quarters mearly wounding an enemy is a bad idea.

actually those "Successful bayonet actions" were not actual planned ordered actions but just isolated incidents that just happened to not turn out extremely bad ... the last actual bayonet charge that was ordered and considered a real action that was effective happened in the Korean war.. tho even those are debatable as to whether they were actually effective or just a very lucky suicide charge

also issuing officers ARs instead of pistols does absolutely nothing to make officers less obvious targets... any idiot can read rank tabs... the whole issuing officers ARs instead of pistols started in the air force with a report on the effectiveness of pistols in combat (cause they have a lot of time on their hands to dick around and generate said reports) who generally doesn't even put officers anywhere near the field... hell those idiots still insist on saluting in the field so obviously identifying officers to the enemy is the last thing on their minds

and yes the whole "wounding is just as good" line is bullshit... but it never the less is still a line used to justify using the weak light weight rounds like the 9mm and 5.56... I mean I guess it makes sense if you are using it to justify say a police officer carrying a 9mm but to justify issuing it to a soldier is bullshit... then again no one will listen to the grunts opinion on the matter and they will keep issuing them because it's all about the money and we have massive stockpiles and big money contracts out on those rounds... there is a reason most spec forces units have switched over to using the 6.5, 6.8, 7.62 variants and .45s because they are small enough to get away with it without having to cost the government massive amounts of money

if you think we use the weapons we use because they are "the best available for the job" than you need a reality check... we use the weapons we use because they are the cheapest and considered the absolute least required to get the job done

THe Iraq one was extremely effective.

If you can make out a man's rank tab at standard range then you likely have amazing eyesight. The DPM rank slides are hard to make out at close quarters, let alone range. You can work out a man with a rifle from a man with a pistol at beyond the effective range of most assault rifles.

At what point did I say that the weapons being used are those that are the best available for the job. I never mentioned or intended to imply it, especially in thwe way you meant it. I know that during my officer training if I didn't use the best available weapon for the job then I'd get a bollocking, but then again available means exactly that and the best weapon made isn't available to me, because its decided that another weapon does the job sufficient for less (or the bribe from that weapons sales team was better/salesman went to the same school as the head of the procurement team etc).

Side-arms aren't issued in addition to long arms as the situations where they are as or more effective as a rifle are very limited and it's an extra cost.

If your clearing a house size building with guns them in all likelihood you want the inhabitants alive, or other reason why putting your life at risk is worth it. The big reason that smgs and pistols aren't used for this in the army outside of special forces, is that's extra weapons to train on, extra weapons to source etc for little gain.

 

[Hazy992]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

 

[Zantos]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

If I've got a sword in my cane and I'm close enough to slap you, how do you really think this is going down?

 

[Hazy992]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

If I've got a sword in my cane and I'm close enough to slap you, how do you really think this is going down?

I have a gun at point blank range. You tell me

 

[Hazy992]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

Dueling gun vs cane sword? This should be interesting, make sure the survivor posts it on Youtube.

I predict the gun owner will win if he get a clean, steady, first shot off. If however he misses...well he won't have the chance to reload.

I will if I run away! HAHAHAH!

 

[OriginalLadders]

They just slapped two of them together, they didn't even both giving it a single trigger, anyone with access to welding equipment could accomplish the same result and this is meant to be one hundred years' progress? Really?

 

[Zantos]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

If I've got a sword in my cane and I'm close enough to slap you, how do you really think this is going down?

I have a gun at point blank range. You tell me

Hmmmm, this is the sort of thing that needs science. Somebody get me a scientist!

 

[KingHodor]

I don't get this ".45s are more powerful than 9mm's, therefore 9mm's are useless pea shooters" argument.

The 9mm is meant to wound? I'm pretty sure that when everything else has failed and a cop is opening fire on a suspect with his 9mm, he is darn well ready to kill.
And what about all the special forces units like the SAS or GSG9 using 9mm MP5s for special operations - I don't think they're out to just "wound" the bad guy.
Or what of the .40 that has recently found major popularity among federal agents - is that one for "almost killing" the bad guy?
And let's not forget the (ultimately failed) 10mm Auto, which, in turn, makes the .45 look like a 9mm.

 

[Hazy992]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

If I've got a sword in my cane and I'm close enough to slap you, how do you really think this is going down?

I have a gun at point blank range. You tell me

Hmmmm, this is the sort of thing that needs science. Somebody get me a scientist!

To the scientist dispatcher!

 

[Zantos]

How uncouth. Real gentlemen use muzzleloading pistols;

*adjusts monocle*

Maybe you need educating on what a real gentleman is.

This is what real gentlemen use. Wouldn't even take off their tophat.

Are you challenging me good sah?! Gutter trash! *throws rose*

Good thing I carry a glove for such an occasion *face slap*

It seems you've thrown down the gauntlet! Very well, en garde!

If I've got a sword in my cane and I'm close enough to slap you, how do you really think this is going down?

I have a gun at point blank range. You tell me

Hmmmm, this is the sort of thing that needs science. Somebody get me a scientist!

To the scientist dispatcher!

"Hello, I'd like a scientist please. No, can you get me one that doesn't look like someone started to shave my arse, got bored and put a labcoat on it? Oh I see, that's extra. What was that? No I don't want fucking Brian Cox"

(It's not racist because I am a scientist)

 

[Thaluikhain]

actually those "Successful bayonet actions" were not actual planned ordered actions but just isolated incidents that just happened to not turn out extremely bad ... the last actual bayonet charge that was ordered and considered a real action that was effective happened in the Korean war.. tho even those are debatable as to whether they were actually effective or just a very lucky suicide charge

Hey? Didn't the british use them in the Falklands?

Also:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/09/marine-serpa-dangerous-new-holster-092611w/

The USMC would seem to think pistols are still useful...I seem to remember moves to purchase a few thousand new pistols to replace the older 1911.

Not an expert, but I'd have thought if you want a short weapon for buildings etc, then you'd go for a bullpup carbine (with rounds ejecting forwards not sideways).

Maybe even a Kel-tec PLR16 sorta thing

Spoiler: pic

Has the advantage of using the same ammunition as your primary weapon. Or, if your primary weapon was modular enough, swap some things around and get a tiny barrel.