Colour-Scientist said:
NEVER!
It's pretty misleading, alright. Then again, I'm not even a scientist so I can't point fingers.
You're not? Damn it, my legion of Ecapists relied on you being a scientist. Preferably mad. I was going to clarify that before I made you a lynchpin in my world domination scheme.
Oh well, back to plan B: army of ferrets.
There's actually some level of method to the username, but the explanation is long and boring. If for some reason, you're curious after that, I could PM you the details. It might...I don't know. Serve as a good sedative or something. The short version is that my real name is not Zachary. Like Mystyk Spiral, I've been long meaning to change the name, but lack better options. Also, I'm not a amaranth either. Though I am stubborn and hard to kill....
MarsAtlas said:
You failed to answer the question. Would you consider getting disowned by your entire family because of a misconception "an irritant"?
I misread that one. I can sort of answer that by responding to the next one, so let's move on.
You clearly misunderstand. Because drag queens cross-dress because they want to cross-dress, they assume the same for a transsexual person - that a transsexual person wants to cross-dress rather than having a pathological need to change their body.
I actually think you're the one who's clearly misunderstanding. The point I'm making is that the same thing happens to homosexuals with no excuse (need as want) and transsexuals are even mistaken for homosexuals quite frequently by people as well. Both points are actually along the line of the point you have needlessly explained, and my question remains valid.
For the record, I have lived this shit, which was the point I was making in the first bit. I have put up with all sorts of crap with only the very specifics as differences, being considered everything from a crossdesser to a queen to a flat-out queer, and I don't hold animosity towards the people who didn't do it to me.
I was hoping people could merely infer that last part, but it appears it needs to be stated.
And there are a lot of people who are accepting and understanding of homosexuality who are ignorant and/or intolerant of anything trans.
Why, I've never heard of such a thing.
...Do I need sarcasm tags there?
Answer this - why does the majority think this way?
The same people they think black people are lazy, gays are campy, lesbians are butch, and gypsies steal.
A more direct origin still doesn't have anything to do with anything done by drag queens, so that's pointless.
She's not blaming drag for every transphobic thing in existence - she's simply saying that a lot of people, maybe even the majority, observe drag, and they then presume that transsexualism and drag are the same thing. This can cause problems.
At the very least, she is regarding them with hostility. And I've been here before, so I've got history on my side.
Here's an example: Imagine a teacher who comes into school dressed in drag. That is not going to be tolerated for a lot of reasons, such as creating a deliberate distraction by the way they dress. We know that a person wouldn't do that, but just imagine that it did. Teacher would be in hot water. Now that person is a transsexual, maybe even passing, and they try to teach a class. People who fail to understand the difference won't care if you're post-op, if you have tits or had a masectomy, because they will assume that the way you're dressing yourself is for sexual gratification, rather than because it actually fits the district dress code for teachers.
The fact that you said "for sexual gratification" points to another problem here, and maybe even your own ignorance on the subject (I don't know).
The problem here is still third party inference, and "sexual gratification" fits neither group's criteria. You're describing one element of fetishistic transvestism. That's done primarily by heterosexuals and primarily in private. and it's not the only form of heterosexual transvestism, so....
I would personally hope you would keep your examples straight (absolutely no pun intended), but whatever. I would certainly be annoyed that people would confuse the two, but that's got nothing to do with queens, crossdressers, or whatever. It's got to do with the people who don't bother to understand what they're talking about.
Of course, context is important. Something that you might want to remember next time....
Problem here is that LGBT shouldn't all be latched together.
Again, you misunderstand. I'm pointing out the same behaviour, not saying the people are the same. And since sexual and gender identity do have similar theorised causes and even presentation, it's hard or even impossible to untangle them. But that's not even remotely relevant to my point. Besides, contextually that makes no sense to bring up. She's talking about drag queens, who are not trans. They're gay. Someone already crossed that barrier. In fact, this very thread crosses that barrier by nature. As far as being a unified community, that's still not relevant to my point. However, I personally believe that we should be a unified community. I won't go into that because this will already be too long to begin with, but still.
The only reason they are attached to each other is an effort to better fight the legal battles against bigots who can't tell the difference anyways.
But that is false. There's multiple reasons, including similar regard and treatment from the general population.
Another misunderstanding.
No, she was pretty clear. I was pretty clear.
You can remove drag queens from the equation and still have the same problem. They are not the cause, they are an excuse.
And you know what? A woman being present is necessary for her to get raped. It doesn't mean she's the cause, but if we're using the same logic, then it would mean it.
And before you misinterpret me again, I'm not trivialising rape or mocking women. You don't need to tell me how rape and homosexuality are different, or rape and transsexuality, or rape and cross dressing are different. Doesn't change a thing. Drag queens aren't the cause of the misunderstanding any more than women are the cause of rape.
I don't know why your mom has trouble understanding the difference, but she's still the problem. Not gays, not drag queens, not transsexuals, not transvestites, not the Dhali Llama. And if it was actually some drag queen who misinformed her, it's still the fault of that specific person. And you know what? Same with terrorists. Why should we blame anyone for 9-11 (based on your comment about slamming planes into buildings) but the people who did it and the people who planned it?
It's also not justification for a general grievance. Maybe a General Grievous....
