Dragon Age 2... WTF???
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I loved ME1 and I loved ME2, slightly less so, but I still loved it a whole lot.
But I am disappointed about the direction DA2 is taking. No playable elves? WTF!?
But I am disappointed about the direction DA2 is taking. No playable elves? WTF!?
I'm going to put my two cents in here.
I'm also one of the gamers who loved BOTH Mass Effect 1 and 2. Others have already written down the reasons, just look at them.
Now, I didn't hate, or love, DAO. Sure, it had customization, and story, and all that. But really, I didn't think the story was THE BEST STORY OF ALL TIME. And story was the ONLY thing, I felt, that made it good.
First of all, the combat. I had a horrible time getting through the game. Now, I suck at video games. But the problem with the combat wasn't that it was difficult, it was unpredictable. You could face a dragon as tall a building a defeat it in two seconds, but then you get swarmed by four darkspawn and you get destroyed. It was just very annoying trying to find the right difficulty level.
The other thing I had problems with was the items. The inventory system was actually good, better than most rpg's. But I still kept getting loaded up with tons of items that would take me 15 minutes to sort through.
Also, I like having a fleshed-out character for my single-player games. The more choices you can make regarding your characters history and such provides issues with story elements. I think stuff like that should stick with the mmo's.
As Gralian said, I never really had any motivation to kill the darkspawn.
I'm also one of the gamers who loved BOTH Mass Effect 1 and 2. Others have already written down the reasons, just look at them.
Now, I didn't hate, or love, DAO. Sure, it had customization, and story, and all that. But really, I didn't think the story was THE BEST STORY OF ALL TIME. And story was the ONLY thing, I felt, that made it good.
First of all, the combat. I had a horrible time getting through the game. Now, I suck at video games. But the problem with the combat wasn't that it was difficult, it was unpredictable. You could face a dragon as tall a building a defeat it in two seconds, but then you get swarmed by four darkspawn and you get destroyed. It was just very annoying trying to find the right difficulty level.
The other thing I had problems with was the items. The inventory system was actually good, better than most rpg's. But I still kept getting loaded up with tons of items that would take me 15 minutes to sort through.
Also, I like having a fleshed-out character for my single-player games. The more choices you can make regarding your characters history and such provides issues with story elements. I think stuff like that should stick with the mmo's.
As Gralian said, I never really had any motivation to kill the darkspawn.
Thats not going to happen. They've said Thedas is going to be the thing that ties Dragon Age games together in the same way Shepard is the thing that ties Mass Effect games together (but they might stay with ME after shepards story is finished).DustyDrB said:
I don't really mind if the world is about more than you.
The issue is twofold:DustyDrB said:
1. They are changing things about the game that take it away from the style of DA:O, things that got a lot of praise and made it one their most successful titles.
2. The story of the Warden has no ending. I don't want it to revolve around the Warden (and note, the problem is they're making the GAMEPLAY like ME) and it shouldn't, but at least provide my Warden with an ending. I got the shaft on this one, because all signs pointed to a continuation of his story.
Unless you die in Origins, import your Warden into Awakening, and side with the Architect, then there is no actual conclusion. And even if you do all that each Awakening epilogue will say something to effect of "He one day vanished but everyone agrees that his tale is not yet complete..."Knight Templar said:
My own epilogues went as thus:
"He chased after Morrigan but she proved impossible to find. If he ever saw her again, it wasn't for years. A woman matching her description was seen heading west over the Frostbacks, possibly with child."
"The Darkspawn retreated to the Deep Roads to continue looking for the Old Gods."
"He remained as commander at Vigil's Keep for a few years more until one day he left without a trace. No one knows where he went but they all agree that his tale is not yet complete..."
More than that, I pursued the Romance with Morrigan, and at the end when she gives her offer of the Ritual, even if she's in love with the Warden, she refuses to tell him what her plans are with the child, where she's going or even why it is she wants to do the ritual (though she will state that saving your life makes her want to do it more).
The only ending an Orlesian Warden can get is that he returns to Orlais where there are rumors of another Blight and he is never seen again.
Otherwise, there are several loose plot threads and the heavy implication that he's off to do something else. That's not an ending. "He stayed at Vigil's Keep for decades until his Calling and went to the Deep Roads" is an ending.
If you aren't going to give the Warden a proper ending, then why would you later state that you won't revisit his story?
You want your Warden to die or otherwise be unable to produce future stories? The story does end, it just doesn't tie off every possible loose end. Baldur's Gate ended, and it didn't need to kill your character to finish.StarCecil said:
The Blight ends, and it was the focus of the plot.
EDIT: Do you Think Star Wars ends? Do you think Fallout ends?
Neither Star Wars or Fallout end, but their characters have decidedly conclusive tales. Or their tales just don't end; I think Luke Skywalker's still kicking around in the expanded universe.
My Warden had personal problems to take care of, and headed out to do so. Whether or not he does, if he dies along the way, if he fails, all that is left up in the open. In fact, it's left ambiguous whether or not the Blight is over, with the Orlesian Warden leaving his command to go to Orlais and never be seen again despite rumors of another Blight.
Even a character that marries the king/queen get the "He left and never returned, adventure is not yet complete..." ending. There's no clear conclusion one way or another. At least at the end of Fallout it's clear that he's solved all his problems and has just to live the rest of his life (And it's revealed in Fallout 2 that he/she established a village and had kids).
Sure the universe persists, but the Warden is the only character without an actual ending (though I suppose Morrigan, too, to a degree). Solve it with DLC, a flier, something. Don't just leave it up in the air, with heavy sequel implications and then say "Oh, well, his story isn't the focus".
Jesus, the only way to get closure - the only way - is to die fighting the Archdemon, come back to life to play Awakening, and side with the friggin' guy responsible for the Blight. Even then, you'll get the "He took off..." ending.
My Warden had personal problems to take care of, and headed out to do so. Whether or not he does, if he dies along the way, if he fails, all that is left up in the open. In fact, it's left ambiguous whether or not the Blight is over, with the Orlesian Warden leaving his command to go to Orlais and never be seen again despite rumors of another Blight.
Even a character that marries the king/queen get the "He left and never returned, adventure is not yet complete..." ending. There's no clear conclusion one way or another. At least at the end of Fallout it's clear that he's solved all his problems and has just to live the rest of his life (And it's revealed in Fallout 2 that he/she established a village and had kids).
Sure the universe persists, but the Warden is the only character without an actual ending (though I suppose Morrigan, too, to a degree). Solve it with DLC, a flier, something. Don't just leave it up in the air, with heavy sequel implications and then say "Oh, well, his story isn't the focus".
Jesus, the only way to get closure - the only way - is to die fighting the Archdemon, come back to life to play Awakening, and side with the friggin' guy responsible for the Blight. Even then, you'll get the "He took off..." ending.
First off ME2 was a gigantic waste with respect to the plot. It could have been about trying to recover Shepard's body and racing the collectors/Shadow Broker to the prize, instead we got a joke of a plot with a lame deus ex machina to allow them to change the cast and still have Shepard be "in control." The council had to still be completely fucking useless just for Shepard to own more etc.,the plot was largely trash when it comes right down to it. Thank god the game is still mostly fun to play though.
DA:O had worse combat than either ME or ME2 and both those games had trash combat systems. The thing about DA:O is that it had all of the problems I see routinely with PC RPGs with real-time combat systems. Where as ME and ME2 were and are quite terrible at being third-person shooters. DA:O was par for the course in that its melee combat system was not only clunky, but animated rather poorly. Micromanaging everyone was also a pain in the ass not because the menus were not good (Unlike Mass Effect when the menus were trash.) but because there was just too much loot and not enough space, and trying to make sure everyone did what you needed them to during a fight and keeping track of everything was just an exercise in information overload.
As much as I hated going into the Fade because it was a maze, the combat was actually better there because I was alone and did not have to deal with three other people. I'm all for revamping the terrible combat in DA:O but after experiencing what Bioware calls streamlining in ME2 I'm not going to hold my breath for something that actually turns out markedly better than the last game.
I am of the opinion that if you are going to use real-time combat systems then the combat itself should be what determines victory rather than stats etc that invite ten trillion menu screens. If I need to stop the action because I feel like I'm going to lose my mind then there is little point to having a real-time system.
DA:O had worse combat than either ME or ME2 and both those games had trash combat systems. The thing about DA:O is that it had all of the problems I see routinely with PC RPGs with real-time combat systems. Where as ME and ME2 were and are quite terrible at being third-person shooters. DA:O was par for the course in that its melee combat system was not only clunky, but animated rather poorly. Micromanaging everyone was also a pain in the ass not because the menus were not good (Unlike Mass Effect when the menus were trash.) but because there was just too much loot and not enough space, and trying to make sure everyone did what you needed them to during a fight and keeping track of everything was just an exercise in information overload.
As much as I hated going into the Fade because it was a maze, the combat was actually better there because I was alone and did not have to deal with three other people. I'm all for revamping the terrible combat in DA:O but after experiencing what Bioware calls streamlining in ME2 I'm not going to hold my breath for something that actually turns out markedly better than the last game.
I am of the opinion that if you are going to use real-time combat systems then the combat itself should be what determines victory rather than stats etc that invite ten trillion menu screens. If I need to stop the action because I feel like I'm going to lose my mind then there is little point to having a real-time system.
im sorry but in my opinion dragon age just bombed it was just lacking maybe its better for the PC but the 360 port was just bad the character creation and the back storys were the only fun part of that game i dont see haw bioware could go such a great job with melee combat in jade empire yet fail so hard on dragon age i just dont get it.
You know I forgot about that game, the combat wasn't half bad on PC. A bit clunky but something worth refining even if Arkham Asylum is already better at it on the Mouse/Keyboard.EinTheCorgi said:
I hope you could maybe import your DA:O character and meet him/her somewhere in the game and have a companion quest that ties off the Warden's loose ends somehow. I think that would be great. Maybe it could even have some effect on the main quest and how NPCs react to you.