I don't see your point?Nieroshai said:
They are still practically an anagram of each other
It would be nice if they made decent side quests rather than 'collect 20 elf root'.
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They are still practically an anagram of each other
It would be nice if they made decent side quests rather than 'collect 20 elf root'.
I hated Dragon Age 2...everything about it seemed almost ashamed of the original games (even Origins' DLC had subtitles! Awakening, Lilliana's Song, Darkspawn Chronicles...) If Dragon Age 3 is given a subtitle I'll take that as a good sign. Anyway...
plot - start somewhere and build it up into something. The expedition in DA2 lead to the discovery of that magical thing that turned into a super weapon but made the user evil (a plot device never before seen). Can the plot of the next one be something different? How about Morrigan's Deity-child; can we make that the central threat? If the original player-character didn't sleep with Morrigan there were 2 other wardens she could have seduced after all.
characters - CHANGE THE DESIGN. I liked the new Qunari but aside from that the elves and, dwarves looked like normal boring humans only with tattoos for one and, bulbous noses for the other. Is it too late to insert the Golem race? Or bring back the Werewolves? Maybe add a new beast race for some much-needed diversity? Also if I can't have a romance with everybody in my party is it too much to ask to keep people from hitting on me all the time? One more thing and I know this is petty but please take out the Shit and Fuck words. I don't know why but it bugged me that everyone suddenly learned the phrase Bullshit and, the word fuck between the first two games. It just seems unnecessary.
Level design - more than one cave, more than one town just...more...than DA2. Variety please and not just in the stages themselves but also in terms of progression. I hated walking through a singular, winding corridor between being mobbed by bad guys. Maybe give us some alternate paths? It would make picking the rouge seem worth it if he can pick a lock that leads to a shortcut.
Final petty gripe: The weapons have always looked fake. When they're velcro-strapped to your back, they look like the plastic swords and stuff kids would play with (only painted grey, silver or, rust-brown)
I loved DA-O and once I adjusted my expectations got through DA2. Maybe DA3 will be alright too...but don't market it as an RPG if it's going to be a beat-em-up with RPG elements please. Honesty is a good thing. Maybe the third can be a platformer or, top-down adventure game? I would like both of those and they can both still have RPG elements.
plot - start somewhere and build it up into something. The expedition in DA2 lead to the discovery of that magical thing that turned into a super weapon but made the user evil (a plot device never before seen). Can the plot of the next one be something different? How about Morrigan's Deity-child; can we make that the central threat? If the original player-character didn't sleep with Morrigan there were 2 other wardens she could have seduced after all.
characters - CHANGE THE DESIGN. I liked the new Qunari but aside from that the elves and, dwarves looked like normal boring humans only with tattoos for one and, bulbous noses for the other. Is it too late to insert the Golem race? Or bring back the Werewolves? Maybe add a new beast race for some much-needed diversity? Also if I can't have a romance with everybody in my party is it too much to ask to keep people from hitting on me all the time? One more thing and I know this is petty but please take out the Shit and Fuck words. I don't know why but it bugged me that everyone suddenly learned the phrase Bullshit and, the word fuck between the first two games. It just seems unnecessary.
Level design - more than one cave, more than one town just...more...than DA2. Variety please and not just in the stages themselves but also in terms of progression. I hated walking through a singular, winding corridor between being mobbed by bad guys. Maybe give us some alternate paths? It would make picking the rouge seem worth it if he can pick a lock that leads to a shortcut.
Final petty gripe: The weapons have always looked fake. When they're velcro-strapped to your back, they look like the plastic swords and stuff kids would play with (only painted grey, silver or, rust-brown)
I loved DA-O and once I adjusted my expectations got through DA2. Maybe DA3 will be alright too...but don't market it as an RPG if it's going to be a beat-em-up with RPG elements please. Honesty is a good thing. Maybe the third can be a platformer or, top-down adventure game? I would like both of those and they can both still have RPG elements.
Star Wars has the Quarren, who appeared an Knights of the Old Republic (also a BioWare game).xXxJessicaxXx said:I don't see your point?Nieroshai said:
They are still practically an anagram of each other
It would be nice if they made decent side quests rather than 'collect 20 elf root'.
Meh. Anyway, since Dragon Age is deeply rooted in Bioware's D&D past, you could look at the Qunari and say that they're 4e Tieflings. I dunno what was up with Origins Sten, and the fact that Qunari look nothing like him, I just figuremaybe he's a half-breed? Or from a race the Qunari have conquered?xXxJessicaxXx said:I don't see your point?Nieroshai said:
They are still practically an anagram of each other
It would be nice if they made decent side quests rather than 'collect 20 elf root'.
DA3 would need to adjust a lot for me to actually *want* to get it.
I hated how DA2's story was disjointed and Hawke felt like a lazy bastard who just happened to get in a bit of trouble ever 2-3 years.
I hated how they turned DA:O tactical rpg mechanics and replaced them with Jade Empire's beat-em-up style battle system. Yeah they did it a lot better than Jade Empire but seriiously just because it's fast and flashy does not make it deep or engaging. The fact that every fight was basically the same except how many enemies were on screen and only 2 enemies presented a real problem to "KILL AS FAST AS YOU CAN!" strategy.
I hated how the Dragon Age setting has become basically X-Men with swords.
I hated that the Flemeth storyline goes NOWHERE.
I hated how the Qunari were the only interesting villains and were only given a single act to shine.
I hated how the last bosses, Orsino and CTB (crazy templar *****), were both fought no matter what choices you made!
In fact Dragon Age 2 was sort of a precursor to Mass Effect 3 since no matter what side you choose, or what choices you made the game always ends with Anders blowing up the chantry, the Templars declaring ALL MAGES MUST DIE, all Mages becoming Blood Mages, and Orsino going crazy, and CTB going Super Saiyan.
I hated how DA2's story was disjointed and Hawke felt like a lazy bastard who just happened to get in a bit of trouble ever 2-3 years.
I hated how they turned DA:O tactical rpg mechanics and replaced them with Jade Empire's beat-em-up style battle system. Yeah they did it a lot better than Jade Empire but seriiously just because it's fast and flashy does not make it deep or engaging. The fact that every fight was basically the same except how many enemies were on screen and only 2 enemies presented a real problem to "KILL AS FAST AS YOU CAN!" strategy.
I hated how the Dragon Age setting has become basically X-Men with swords.
I hated that the Flemeth storyline goes NOWHERE.
I hated how the Qunari were the only interesting villains and were only given a single act to shine.
I hated how the last bosses, Orsino and CTB (crazy templar *****), were both fought no matter what choices you made!
In fact Dragon Age 2 was sort of a precursor to Mass Effect 3 since no matter what side you choose, or what choices you made the game always ends with Anders blowing up the chantry, the Templars declaring ALL MAGES MUST DIE, all Mages becoming Blood Mages, and Orsino going crazy, and CTB going Super Saiyan.
Fully share that petty gripe, for both games, particularly 2. Dragon Age weapons suffer from an advanced case of fantasy over-design syndrome. I mean, seriously:Shoggoth2588 said:
I'll reserve my judgement until I see some trailers (particularly of the gameplay variety because I refuse to be suckered by Bioware's cinematic trailers... yet again). I'll admit, I too was not particularly impressed by DA2 but I am willing to see what DA3 has to offer before I make a decision.
If they are going to make it like they said, an open world game, then it will be garbage.
Linearity is great for focused character driven story-telling, which has always been Biowares strength, not open world exploration.
Can the game be good? Very doubtful, especially if Hamburger Helper is going to be working on it.
And I don't know how to post embed videos (someone please tell me) otherwise I would post the video of Dragon Age 2 about "press button = awesome thing", but I feel that's relevant and hilarious.
Linearity is great for focused character driven story-telling, which has always been Biowares strength, not open world exploration.
Can the game be good? Very doubtful, especially if Hamburger Helper is going to be working on it.
And I don't know how to post embed videos (someone please tell me) otherwise I would post the video of Dragon Age 2 about "press button = awesome thing", but I feel that's relevant and hilarious.
You put youtube=everythingaftertheequalssign in brackets. If you quote this post, the embedded video is an example.Don Savik said:
You know that's not that bad of an idea. I was always wondering how they could handle a situation that had all the main characters meeting up. Having us simply pick all their conversation choices would probably work. It would also probably be very weird too, roleplaying 3 characters at once, but if they do it write it could be pretty cool as well.Walkchalk said:
I doubt that's what they have planed though......
All the DA:O Qunari looked like that(not just Sten,) they just decided that they liked the other look better and despite DA2s obvious problems, I agree with them on that point. The Qunari as a whole were hugely improved.Nieroshai said:
Its kind of like how in the original Star Trek the Klingons looked like a race of space Puerto Ricans with crazy hair and then randomly got head ridges in TNG. Someone basically decided it looked better and retconned it.
I could certainly find some legit critisisms of Origins, like the fact that the overall exploration size is pretty damn small. If they made the map much bigger, like Skyrim, then I think they would sell a small army of copies.endtherapture said:
Also, lose the ridiculously large weapons and stop making all armour so huge and spikey.
I was playing Origins the other day and just wishing I could explore all of Ostagar and the Imperial Highway and stuff, it would be so good.idarkphoenixi said:
They lost a lot of fans with DA2. Not only it sold half of what DA:O did, many didn't like it. Retailers even refused to shelve an Ultimate Edition.
My bet is EA will close the company before the project is finished, or at least get rid of the DA department.
My bet is EA will close the company before the project is finished, or at least get rid of the DA department.
What I want?
DA:O within a TES style open world. That would be fun. Old style tactical RPG combat, a good art style that didn't make everything look cartoony and ridiculous (Especially the Darkspawn. man they sucked in DA2), an Epic storyline, good levelling system and inventory, and a large, open, roaming world. What more could you want?
DA:O within a TES style open world. That would be fun. Old style tactical RPG combat, a good art style that didn't make everything look cartoony and ridiculous (Especially the Darkspawn. man they sucked in DA2), an Epic storyline, good levelling system and inventory, and a large, open, roaming world. What more could you want?
Hehe, I remember when DA2 came out and people came out defending it with the 'Other games are coming out, and we're in a recession. Just wait and the sales will pick up' BS. Yeah, see how that went?Thoric485 said:
And if they shut down the DA division, they'll likely shut down the ME division as well. The controversy over the endings really won't be helping sales. This crap is worse than the DA2 stuff was.
Perhaps on the character front, BioWare could outsource some of the writing to other people. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/6862-The-Writers-of-BioWare on this website we got a guide to they typical characters we've all seen before.
Get new writers for new characters, because these ones got old a while ago.
Get new writers for new characters, because these ones got old a while ago.
Hmmm maybe not a true blight, but something to do with what the architect was doing, maybe he succsesfully managed to make all darkspawn free of the old gods call. And its an actual invasion or something. and flemmeth! damnit i forgot about that old witch...this is why i think..i hope anyway that DA3 wont be the last game. There are so many storys that just cant be tied up in one game...i also want to know whats going on with the wardens son that morrigan has...if they do this right it'll be one epic game anyway.RJ 17 said:Ehhhhh, maybe. But if we're to believe the DA lore, that would require a rather substantial jump forward in time. True Blights aren't supposed to happen too often, in fact I believe they don't even happen once an "age". As I recall there's only been 4 of them in the world's history.
Not saying the Darkspawn won't be involved, in fact they likely will be. I just doubt they'll be the primary antagonists like they were in DA:O.
Of course, if they take after Mass Effect, the end will turn out that none of the events really happened and they were all just a hallucination of The Warden as his mind was being controlled by Flemmeth...........
But speaking of the old witch, she's my vote as far as "who's going to be the main villain?" is concerned.
I don't think Dragon Age should have gone for a sequel type epic long story thing like Mass Effect - it should have just told connected stories in the Dragon Age setting, as opposed to one long epic saga.Aarowbeatsdragon said:Hmmm maybe not a true blight, but something to do with what the architect was doing, maybe he succsesfully managed to make all darkspawn free of the old gods call. And its an actual invasion or something. and flemmeth! damnit i forgot about that old witch...this is why i think..i hope anyway that DA3 wont be the last game. There are so many storys that just cant be tied up in one game...i also want to know whats going on with the wardens son that morrigan has...if they do this right it'll be one epic game anyway.RJ 17 said:Ehhhhh, maybe. But if we're to believe the DA lore, that would require a rather substantial jump forward in time. True Blights aren't supposed to happen too often, in fact I believe they don't even happen once an "age". As I recall there's only been 4 of them in the world's history.
Not saying the Darkspawn won't be involved, in fact they likely will be. I just doubt they'll be the primary antagonists like they were in DA:O.
Of course, if they take after Mass Effect, the end will turn out that none of the events really happened and they were all just a hallucination of The Warden as his mind was being controlled by Flemmeth...........
But speaking of the old witch, she's my vote as far as "who's going to be the main villain?" is concerned.