Dragon Age II has a 3.4/10 on Metacritic, WHY!?

ZaxqZombie

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they may be refering to the game's AWFULL graphics, but i dont realy care about that because im completely hooked on the game play and story portion. it also takes tooooooo longgggg to leave the first city. ive been playing for 11 hours and still havent left it yet!
 

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ZaxqZombie said:
they may be refering to the game's AWFULL graphics, but i dont realy care about that because im completely hooked on the game play and story portion. it also takes tooooooo longgggg to leave the first city. ive been playing for 11 hours and still havent left it yet!
From what I understand pretty much the whole game takes place in Kirkwall... That's one of the things people have been bitching about.
 

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Those that liked the original said it was too different and those of us that found it boring still find it boring?
 

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If people would actually BOTHER to read the reviews on Metacritic rather than the scores, then they would see that alot of the negative reviews actually use some decent arguments.

This isn't just about complaining for the sake of complaining, or complaining just because the game is "different" for that matter. Dragon Age 2 has terrible design decisions in abundance, and I'm heavily regretting i ever gave BioWare my money for this game. Is it a 3/10 game like most of the Metacritic reviews? No, but so far (being halfway through it), my score for it is 5.5/10 compared to the original which i would rate at 8/10 (it also had alot of bad game design).

I think I'll just let this speak for itself:
DominicxD said:
Here's a shocking concept to you:

Your favourite company is capable of making a bad game.
 

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God people, just because someone doesn't like something you like doesn't make them wrong.

I don't care, Yahtzee pretty much killed the genre for me in his original DA1 review when he pointed out how stupid the entire concept is. The thing that bugged me the most was elves, they only have one visual difference ,the ears, everything else is identical to humans but otherwise they're entirely different to constitute a new specie. Most fantasy RPG's are basiclly as Yahtzee pointed out a rehashing of Tolkien, nothing wrong with liking a constantly refined and revisioned themes of Tolkiens world I mean the same happened with Starship troopers to Warhammer 40k and Gears Of War. But for me I feel those worlds are alot more original then most fantasy RPG's.

The only Fantasy RPG I like is Zelda because it's not a rehashing of Tolkien just of itself making the first game all the better.
 

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Honestly, reading this thread it is fairly obvious that a lot of people are jumping to conclusions. How many of you have actually gone and read some of the reviews on metacritic? While there are a LOT of people just saying "It sucks 0/10" there are also a LOT of people bringing up legitimate points about their experience with the game, including objections about the story, gameplay, mechanics, graphics and many other aspects. Personally, I have only played the demo, but I can't say I was particularly impressed. It wasn't awful, but it wasn't great, and it certainly doesn't feel like a proper RPG.

Now I don't want to say that every RPG has to have enormous open-world environments, but I don't find a completely linear path with enemies jumping out at random points fun. I love RPGs. I love tabletop games, I love Fallout, I thought Mass Effect was fun, if not to my tastes. However, the thing that draws me most to these types of games is the ability to create my own character, not choose one of six options, with a few builds available for each. One of the reasons people rave about Morrowind constantly is that there were a massive number of options for how to play your character. DA2 has some fun options, but when you get right down to it they don't compare to a lot of other RPGs.

There were also several other things that bugged me when I played the demo. I hear a lot of people talking about how awesome the combat was. Hell, PC Gamer called it "The best RPG combat ever." Unless they vastly improved things from the demo, I can't say that I really agree. It was fun, I guess, but it felt like I was playing World of Warcraft; hit the enemy until your special abilities recharge, use special ability, keep hitting them. The combat in the Elder Scrolls games sucked, but I had more fun with that than with DA2. It was visually quite impressive seeing the combat animations, but after a while they started bugging me. Particularly the mage's spectacularly retarded twist around 90 degrees and thrust my staff in the exact same direction I was facing before I twisted around. It looks cool the first few times, but it also makes no sense...

I also felt the tits and gore were a bit over-the-top. From what I hear Dragon Age 1 wasn't spectacularly subtle in this regard either, but the whole thing seemed like pandering to immaturity. To tell the truth I like tits and I like gore. But I prefer them not being shoved in my face.

I realize that I am kind of biased, having played only a small sample of the game, but what I saw definitely failed to impress me. To me, Dragon Age 2 doesn't look like a bad game, it just doesn't look like a great RPG. It doesn't deserve a 0/10 and it probably doesn't deserve a 3/10. People are overreacting, it's true. There are probably people who haven't played enough of the game to give it a fair score. But I read through this entire thread, and I was getting kind of sick of people stating that people are conspiring to drive the score down or simply yelling "they changed it now it sucks." A lot of players have legitimate, well-thought-out reasons for disliking the game, and putting it down to a conspiracy or fanboyism is foolish at best. No matter what you think of the game, just dismissing the people who gave it low scores as trolls is not helpful.

Oh, and just a side note to WorldCritic, just because it's a fantasy game we still have suspension of disbelief. The issue is not that a character is teleporting in a fantasy setting, but we don't expect it from a rogue, at least not without some magic mumbo-jumbo.

I do apologize for the massive post.
 

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Warforger said:
I don't care, Yahtzee pretty much killed the genre for me in his original DA1 review when he pointed out how stupid the entire concept is. The thing that bugged me the most was elves, they only have one visual difference ,the ears, everything else is identical to humans but otherwise they're entirely different to constitute a new specie. Most fantasy RPG's are basiclly as Yahtzee pointed out a rehashing of Tolkien, nothing wrong with liking a constantly refined and revisioned themes of Tolkiens world I mean the same happened with Starship troopers to Warhammer 40k and Gears Of War. But for me I feel those worlds are alot more original then most fantasy RPG's.
You might have missed (or just decided to not give attention to) the part in the review where Yahtzee stated that he was actually enjoying the game and still wanted to know what was going to happen next despite the game's enormous length.

As for the elves, the only thing different about them was the ears? Nothing at all about their history or lore being totally different? Their homeland being conquered by humans and enslaved afterwards, losing their immortality and advanced culture as a result? Or the nomadic tribe of elves known as the Dalish who wander the lands, keeping their past in hopes of finding a homeland of their own once again? You've atleast finished Dragon Age haven't you? You're told most of what you need to know about elves through gameplay alone and even more so when playing the Elf origins.
 

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People are mad because KOTOR was a simplified/dumbed down Baldurs Gate and DA:O was a simplified/dumbed down KOTOR. Now they aren't just dumbing down (in people's eyes) DA 2 they are rubbing it our face with a witless "Press a button and something awesome happens" marketing slogan. People are sick of EA and sick of Bioware and after playing DA:O and the DA 2 demo I dont blame them.
 

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Allow me to share my opinion of this topic with these words:

I DON'T GIVE A FLYING SHIT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT A GAME, MY OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS!!


Why would I care what 200 people I have never met think about a game I haven't yet played?

I'll buy the game and make my own opinion based on my OWN experience, If I like it Yay for me and screw the guys who don't thats their opinion may they forever make love to it.

If I don't like the game then it's for my reasons and I'll trade the game and move on with my life.

Seriously, people who buy games based on what OTHER think need to grow a spine and make their own decisions!
 

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Kaanyr Vhok said:
People are mad because KOTOR was a simplified/dumbed down Baldurs Gate and DA:O was a simplified/dumbed down KOTOR. Now they aren't just dumbing down (in people's eyes) DA 2 they are rubbing it our face with a witless "Press a button and something awesome happens" marketing slogan. People are sick of EA and sick of Bioware and after playing DA:O and the DA 2 demo I dont blame them.
Can someone please explain the dumbing down just for once? And without confusing it with accessibility?

In DAO, the combat involves auto attacking, switching between different party members, setting different tactics for your non controlled party members, using skills and abilities, and pausing the game for delivering commands tactically.

In DA2, the combat involves auto attacking, switching between different party members, setting different tactics for your non controlled party members, using skills and abilities, and pausing the game for delivering commands tactically. Oh, but now there's no more friendly fire...except for Nightmare mode made exclusively for hardcore pro gamers who happen to be most of the people that talk down on the game for being dumbed down.

Dialogue has been dumbed down? Why? Just because you now know what each different response will actually do? And you won't invite your bisexual companion to bed by accident just because you gave him/her a compliment?
 

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lucky_sharm said:
Warforger said:
I don't care, Yahtzee pretty much killed the genre for me in his original DA1 review when he pointed out how stupid the entire concept is. The thing that bugged me the most was elves, they only have one visual difference ,the ears, everything else is identical to humans but otherwise they're entirely different to constitute a new specie. Most fantasy RPG's are basiclly as Yahtzee pointed out a rehashing of Tolkien, nothing wrong with liking a constantly refined and revisioned themes of Tolkiens world I mean the same happened with Starship troopers to Warhammer 40k and Gears Of War. But for me I feel those worlds are alot more original then most fantasy RPG's.
You might have missed (or just decided to not give attention to) the part in the review where Yahtzee stated that he was actually enjoying the game and still wanted to know what was going to happen next despite the game's enormous length.
Uh no I know that Yahtzee said he enjoyed it, but he pointed out how funny the whole concept is. I don't like the standard medieval fantasy, but what I said is that I wish there was more originailty like for say Zelda.


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As for the elves, the only thing different about them was the ears? Nothing at all about their history or lore being totally different? Their homeland being conquered by humans and enslaved afterwards, losing their immortality and advanced culture as a result? Or the nomadic tribe of elves known as the Dalish who wander the lands, keeping their past in hopes of finding a homeland of their own once again? You've atleast finished Dragon Age haven't you? You're told most of what you need to know about elves through gameplay alone and even more so when playing the Elf origins.
yah like pretty much what Tolkien said. Again I don't like fantasy RPG's because I don't like the standard Fantasy setting.

My point wasn't that they weren't different, that's not arguable, my point though was that they only have one visual difference, if I gave a race of humans long noses and called them say Gorghems and made up an elaborate history for them they still don't look original. Elves like this, do the same, exactly why they couldn't have more visual differences is beyond me, and exactly why they're superior to humans is also beyond me when they have little general differences between them. I mean fuck, if a Chimp shares alot of DNA with humans hwo much DNA could Elves share? I mean if elves were real they'd probably have some gene that gave them pointy ears not entirely different species.
 

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Remember, these are user reviews.

When was the last time users were a fair, unbiased, informed group of people?
 

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I haven't had the chance to pick up my preorder of Dragon Age II yet, I plan on getting it later today, but I did look up some reviews, and while critics seem to love it, it has a user score of 3.4 on Metacritic.

Now I'm worried, the Metacritic user score is 3.4, which is so bad it's usually reserved for one of two cases:

1.) They did something specific to cause rage that results in spams of unfairly biased reviews (such as Modern Warfare 2's drop of dedicated servers)

2.) Only a few people reviewed it so far, and of them is an ass.

Well, 178 people rated the game, so it's not #2, and they aren't complaining about a specific nerd rage or single facet that caused hate (don't jump down my throat about my comment on MW2, it was just an example, I know dedicated servers are important but the majority of Metacritic user reviews about them read as if the change from dedicated servers murdered their parents), they are making broad statements about it being linear and bland. This does not bode well.

Does anyone have any explanation for this? Is the game really just crappy? I know Metacritic has some quirks but please don't just post saying Metacritic has no grounding in reality, 200 people don't just wake up and say "hey guys! You know what would be funny? If we all collectively pretended this particular game was terrible!"

EDIT: I think I have an explanation, it's possible that the people who absolutely hated it were motivated to immediately get on Metacritic out of rage, and that the more mild mannered people who are busy playing it right now either haven't gotten around to rating it yet, or don't plan to (believe it or not that logical explanation was given to me by a Gamestop clerk of all people, I guess there is hope for the world yet)
No this is not just ragers, if the game is not as good as the origional and has horrid gameplay, its a shitty game and deserves this score, there is no way in hell this was pulled off by just a few angry people, this was done by people who legitametly had problems with the game.

DO NOT BUY DRAGON AGE II EVER.

If you dont believe me look at the sheer number of complaints and people who voted! You can read them as well, they are not just raging.
 

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Plazmatic said:
DO NOT BUY DRAGON AGE II EVER.

If you dont believe me look at the sheer number of complaints and people who voted! You can read them as well, they are not just raging.
Honestly, you can have an opinion of a game, but you can't make other people hate it.
 

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DeathsHands said:
Plazmatic said:
DO NOT BUY DRAGON AGE II EVER.

If you dont believe me look at the sheer number of complaints and people who voted! You can read them as well, they are not just raging.
Honestly, you can have an opinion of a game, but you can't make other people hate it.
Hasn't stopped the other side from doing so anyways.
 

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TerranReaper said:
DeathsHands said:
Plazmatic said:
DO NOT BUY DRAGON AGE II EVER.

If you dont believe me look at the sheer number of complaints and people who voted! You can read them as well, they are not just raging.
Honestly, you can have an opinion of a game, but you can't make other people hate it.
Hasn't stopped the other side from doing so anyways.
True enough. 'tis why I veer off from these things most of the time.
 

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I've put like 12 hours into it so far.
It's honestly the most disappointing game I've played in the last 5 years.

You had a chance to really prove me wrong here, bioware.
Man did they drop the ball.

Super claustrophobic areas.
Absolutely STATIC environments: that is, I can hear the wind just tearing through kirkwall but do the trees move? No. Does even a bit of dust blow around? No. Not even little plants blow in the wind.

The world is dead, and they have killed it. The streets are nearly devoid of life. The story isn't all that great, the characters are pretty bad and to be honest the game just isn't very gripping or fun.

Everything is too clean. The corners are too straight. The buildings are too perfect. There is no personality in this world. In DA:O The mages guild was littered with books and flasks and mortar and pedestals. There were vibrant details scattered everywhere throughout the level. What do you get here? Nothing. Just big empty spaces and floors.

There is so little to like. DA:O was one of my favorite games of all time, I would put it in my top 10 favorite video games list. DA2 is ... it's a shell. It's like Bioware ripped off their own game and did a terrible job in doing so.

There's no love to this game. It reeks of corner cutting to save time, cutting geometry to save memory to reduce console lag... just taking out. That's really the best way to describe this game: they just removed things from DA:O. What was added in? Flashy combat moves?

That doesn't make up for the paralyzing blow done to the heart of this game.