Dragon Age II Review

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BloodSquirrel said:
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Sure is one of the 'best looking games of this generation'!
This review reads like there was some money changing hands.
OH FFS, could it not just be maybe? just possibly? that its genuinely a great game that the reviewer found incredibly enjoyable
 

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Macrobstar said:
no RPG can ever possibly be better than planescape
It might be. But it will not sell gazillion of copies, so I doubt that any developer (or rather the publisher), except maybe the indies, will be brave enought to attempt to make such a game.
 

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xqtr said:
Macrobstar said:
no RPG can ever possibly be better than planescape
It might be. But it will not sell gazillion of copies, so I doubt that any developer (or rather the publisher), except maybe the indies, will be brave enought to attempt to make such a game.
Dude you're quoting me out of context, I don't actually believe no one can make a game better than planescape, in fact I think its been done... many many times
 

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I very much like what this review is telling me, can't wait for the game to arrive.

And thank you for using gender-neutral terms while talking about Hawke; I appreciate that a lot.
 

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Dana22 said:
Improving every game mechanic ? Best looking game of this generation ? Pinnacle of computer RPGs ? Surely you jest.
Yeah, I have the same feeling. Someone is on the payroll. This game is awful.
 

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Macrobstar said:
xqtr said:
Macrobstar said:
no RPG can ever possibly be better than planescape
It might be. But it will not sell gazillion of copies, so I doubt that any developer (or rather the publisher), except maybe the indies, will be brave enought to attempt to make such a game.
Dude you're quoting me out of context
I'm not quoting you out of context. I have just trimmed your comment to the most relevant fragment to me (sorry :)).

Macrobstar said:
I don't actually believe no one can make a game better than planescape, in fact I think its been done... many many times
And I think that Aliens 4 is better than Alien 1, despite that I haven't even seen Alien 1, but I have seen some screens that looked worse than Alien 4.
 

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"At Least until Skyrim comes out" this made me chuckle, i feel sorry for BioWare, there releasing two great RPG's this year in ME3 and DA2 and both will be overshadowed by the Goliath that is TES this is an opinion after all many people wont agree but TES is one of thoughs titles that eats all competition in its path even if the competition in a much tighter and sometimes better game. don't flame me saying CoD always does better, different genre so not comparable
 

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animehermit said:
drunken_munki said:
Dana22 said:
Improving every game mechanic ? Best looking game of this generation ? Pinnacle of computer RPGs ? Surely you jest.
Yeah, I have the same feeling. Someone is on the payroll. This game is awful.
because you would know? because you've played more than that hour long demo? quit trolling and go waste your time somewhere else.
Oh no, you're totally right, you go and spend your hard earned cash on this, doesn't bother me a bit.
 

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xqtr said:
Macrobstar said:
xqtr said:
Macrobstar said:
no RPG can ever possibly be better than planescape
It might be. But it will not sell gazillion of copies, so I doubt that any developer (or rather the publisher), except maybe the indies, will be brave enought to attempt to make such a game.
Dude you're quoting me out of context
I'm not quoting you out of context. I have just trimmed your comment to the most relevant fragment to me (sorry :)).

xqtr said:
I don't actually believe no one can make a game better than planescape, in fact I think its been done... many many times
And I think that Aliens 4 is better than Alien 1, despite that I haven't even seen Alien 1, but I have seen some screens that looked worse than Alien 4.
fair enough I think its perfectly fine to judge a game before you purchase it, as long as you've actually done research (looked at screenshots read reviws etc) I don't want to hand money to a company just so I can see if the games any good, you honestly think if the planescape formula was still amazing and popular developers would be making anyting else? I mean look at the all the generic shooters thanks to the success and popularity of COD and Halo, theres a reason those sort of trends die out...
 

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5 stars.....no game is perfect and this is far from the best.

How can you give this 5 stars when it completely flies in the face of the fans of the first game?
 

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Ashsaver said:
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The game was already released in my country yesterday.....and it sold out in a matter of hours!

Good thing i preordered them!

But i have to say.....it's surprisingly short.
You've already completed it?!?!
Yes, I sorta endurance run the whole game in one setting yesterday,according to the timestamp on my last checkpoint just before the final fight,I spent 15 hours,23 minutes and 47 seconds playing.
For a RPG, ya, that is pretty short.

For a modern day game, that is anything, but.

Plus, keep in mind the replay value Dragon Age 2 has. A lot of people would replay Mass Effect over and over again just to explore all of the options the game had. I know one person who literally played Mass Effect 2 from start to finish just because she wanted to see what would happen if she made the wrong choices on the way to the final fight.
 

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I have the Signature Edition reserved and payed for. And I want to get it. But it's finals week, and if I get it now, I will surely fail all of my tests. It's bad enough I bought Pokemon White. So this is my present Thursday afternoon when school lets out. :D
 

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If I could be frank, it reminds me a bit of Kotor and that isn't entirely a bad thing. In fact, it makes me a little nostalgic.
 
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5 stars.....no game is perfect and this is far from the best.

How can you give this 5 stars when it completely flies in the face of the fans of the first game?
I liked Origins, and I like DA2.

Stop confusing your own opinion with that of others.
 

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animehermit said:
drunken_munki said:
Dana22 said:
Improving every game mechanic ? Best looking game of this generation ? Pinnacle of computer RPGs ? Surely you jest.
Yeah, I have the same feeling. Someone is on the payroll. This game is awful.
because you would know? because you've played more than that hour long demo? quit trolling and go waste your time somewhere else.
No. Because changing gameplay (or, oh my, 'dumbing down') is not improving. Because if a game gets high res textures patch, its not best looking game. And because pinnacle of CRPGs is still 11 years old Baldurs Gate 2, which is a common knowledge.

Now word of clarification, I like DA2 (im playing it as we speak), I find it very fun action rpg, but a bad Dragon Age sequel.
 

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I like DA2 but Bioware really dropped the fucking ball. Autoattack support for consoles was accidentally left out during production. Its really annoying mashing the "A" button all day.

Also, save importing is screwed. DA2 will incorrectly flag a number of story points imported from DA:O.

For instance: You let the Architect live. DA2 flags him as dead.

What a monumental fuck-up.

Waiting for patch.
 

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I don't think the replay value will be that great for this game. Most likely I can see someone playing twice at most. But think back to DA:O there was more repeatability due to the other races and possible endings. Although I have yet to play DA 2 I don't think it can compare in wanting to see all the choices play out as in DA:O.
 

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maddawg IAJI said:
Plus, keep in mind the replay value Dragon Age 2 has. A lot of people would replay Mass Effect over and over again just to explore all of the options the game had. I know one person who literally played Mass Effect 2 from start to finish just because she wanted to see what would happen if she made the wrong choices on the way to the final fight.
Dragon Age Origins took 40 hours to complete and that's without DLC and most sidequests done. Keep in mind that on my first playthrough I played on casual. If you're telling me Dragon Age 2 is barely 15 hours long then I'm sure as fucking hell not buying it. Pay more for less? No thanks.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Plus, keep in mind the replay value Dragon Age 2 has. A lot of people would replay Mass Effect over and over again just to explore all of the options the game had. I know one person who literally played Mass Effect 2 from start to finish just because she wanted to see what would happen if she made the wrong choices on the way to the final fight.
Dragon Age 2 took 40 hours to complete and that's without DLC and most sidequests done. Keep in mind that on my first playthrough I played on casual. If you're telling me Dragon Age 2 is barely 15 hours long then I'm sure as fucking hell not buying it. Pay more for less? No thanks.
I'm not. I have yet to play it yet. The guy I quoted claimed that.
 

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Macrobstar said:
xqtr said:
Macrobstar said:
xqtr said:
Macrobstar said:
no RPG can ever possibly be better than planescape
It might be. But it will not sell gazillion of copies, so I doubt that any developer (or rather the publisher), except maybe the indies, will be brave enought to attempt to make such a game.
Dude you're quoting me out of context
I'm not quoting you out of context. I have just trimmed your comment to the most relevant fragment to me (sorry :)).

xqtr said:
I don't actually believe no one can make a game better than planescape, in fact I think its been done... many many times
And I think that Aliens 4 is better than Alien 1, despite that I haven't even seen Alien 1, but I have seen some screens that looked worse than Alien 4.
fair enough I think its perfectly fine to judge a game before you purchase it, as long as you've actually done research (looked at screenshots read reviws etc) I don't want to hand money to a company just so I can see if the games any good, you honestly think if the planescape formula was still amazing and popular developers would be making anyting else? I mean look at the all the generic shooters thanks to the success and popularity of COD and Halo, theres a reason those sort of trends die out...
The reason is: they are more popular with mainstream gamers.
You have a wrong conviction that the best = most popular. COD:Black Ops have sold millions and millions of copies not because it's a very good, complex shooter. It's a (citing one of the posters, who earlier said that dying in a game breaks immersion) "INTERACTIVE immersive experience that puts me into the protagonist's shoes and allows me to feel the story by interacting with it". COD is more like an interactive movie. Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RULv6HbgEjY. The dude completed the first mission in CoD:BO at the "Hardened" difficulty level without even shooting his gun (except for during two scripted sequences)! Near the end there is about 10 enemy soldiers shooting at him, and they are not even able to aim at him! It's more like an interactive movie than a game! Simple and easy "interactive immersive experience". And this game is popular among the kids that haven't even heard about Half-Life. This is what casual gamers want.
And since gaming became big bussiness, developers have been making games not for hardcore gamers, but for casual gamers, because it is casual gamers give them millions of dollars of profit.
And the same thing happened to RPGs. This is what Mike Laidlaw, from Bioware have said recently: "For me, I guess, fundamentally, there are more people who are ready to play RPGs than realize it. These are people who will play FarmVille. These are people who have shot enough people in the head that they've leveled up in Medal of Honor. They've gained XP and have received awards as a result. That's an RPG mechanic. They've played [Grand Theft Auto] San Andreas and they've run enough, and gotten buff enough, that their endurance is a higher. They've leveled." ( http://www.geardiary.com/2011/02/27/is-this-the-future-of-the-rpg-if-so-the-rpg-is-dead/ ). So you have an RPG developer, that wants to make RPGs for people that play FarmVille, MoH and GTA! Do you think that a game that has a dialog with 18 responses to choose ( http://i.imgur.com/Ap7HR.jpg ) will attract that kind of players? Too much dialog breaks "interactive immersive experience"! That is not what will bring you millions of dollars. A game where "something awesome happens when you press a button" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMcVZQI6ybw ) will bring you millions of dollars!
Dying also breaks immersion and frustrates modern gamers, that's why today's normal difficulty is like yesterday's easy difficulty.
Modern gaming bussiness is not about making creative, innovative games. It's about making pulp for the masses.
That's why you will never see another Planescape: Torment.

PS. It's like with movies. Transformers will sell more than, say, Godfather. Does it mean that Transformers is better than Godfather?