Dragon Age - Why so much hate for Anora?

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Because she's got no royal blood in her and no right to the throne. She's trying to usurp Alistair's right to rule. Also, the hussy tried to seduce my male Warden and steal Alistair from my female one.

PS. Accepting Morrigan's offer, marrying Alistair with female warden then moving on to Awakenings in brilliant.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

 

[ryessknight]

Anora? Oh the queen. I barely remembered her, she wasnt much of a charactor really. Just a path choice for alastor for me. Compared to others like logan and even duncan she just didnt stand out at all.

 

[bat32391]

She's a *****, but she knows what she's doing. I just marry her to Alistair, so that everyone wins. Plus I like executing her Father myself anyway.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

Well I know if I ruled a country for five years and everyone loved me,I would be pretty miffed if someone just come came along and took it from me.Alistair forgot that being a Grey Warden means putting your personal feelings aside in order to fight the darkspawn.

She's supposed to be as much of a master strategist as her father, and a gifted politician. Her throwing a fit like she does is completely out of character and makes her look weak. Like I said, she could've easily moved herself into a position of power, but instead o doing something that would've been in character, she throws a goddam fit, throwing everything out the window, all because she lost the popular vote. Not because she thinks she's what's best for Ferelden, but because she lost.

 

[Goofguy]

She may be a more capable leader than Alastair but she betrays the Warden and their party at every turn all for her own ambition. She's essentially a boring character in comparison to the alternatives to the throne, including the silent Human Noble Warden.

 

[godofslack]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

With that kind of reasoning we can excuse Alistair's fit over Loghain far easier.

He's a man who betrayed the king, got a nice big part of their army killed, is refusing to get the help of the Grey Wardens who actually know how to deal with the crisis... Throwing a fit over losing personal power your dad got you by betraying your husband is a bit less understandable I think.

I disagree, Alistair's desertion betrays Ferelden, risks the entire remaining army, and with complete understanding of how needed Grey Wardens are, he chooses to leave if Loghain joins the order. The fact that Alistar would react like that betraying the Grey Wardens in such an heinous way, by abandoning a continent, shows that he's unable to lead. Anora's fit is very short and is nowhere nearly as bad as Alistar's.

 

[CommanderL]

Hardend alistair for king he is well loved by the people but hardend means he takes charge and learns the way of ruling marrying him with anora will lead to stablity

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

Well I know if I ruled a country for five years and everyone loved me,I would be pretty miffed if someone just come came along and took it from me.Alistair forgot that being a Grey Warden means putting your personal feelings aside in order to fight the darkspawn.

She's supposed to be as much of a master strategist as her father, and a gifted politician. Her throwing a fit like she does is completely out of character and makes her look weak. Like I said, she could've easily moved herself into a position of power, but instead o doing something that would've been in character, she throws a goddam fit, throwing everything out the window, all because she lost the popular vote. Not because she thinks she's what's best for Ferelden, but because she lost.

That's true but think about it from Anora's POV,not only could her father be executed right in front of her but she witnesses his killer take the throne from her.I understand why Anora would be upset because someone would act just like she did.

I am thinking about it from Anora's point of view. Her entire life she was embroiled in the intricacies of politics. It's basically a game with her. Every move she makes is meant as a power play. Even when she betrays you while rescuing her from Howe's estate was a calculated move in order to stay in Loghain's good graces. Her throwing a fit is akin to John McCain threatening civil war after losing the election. It's just not the move of a person who's supposed to be a master of politicking. It's the attitude of a spoiled child who's favorite toy was taken away. It completely ruined her character for me, turning her from a scheming politician who knows how things work and uses every advantage she can to a petty spoiled brat.

 

[ecoho]

she got me locked in a prison, and screwed me over after she promised to support me. yeah if there was an option for it id of killed her on the spot.

 

[schnln01]

She may be a more capable leader than Alastair but she betrays the Warden and their party at every turn all for her own ambition. She's essentially a boring character in comparison to the alternatives to the throne, including the silent Human Noble Warden.

She tells you that she fears her father's people will have her killed and asks you to keep her identity secret and you are surprised that when you reveal her identity to Loghain's right hand that she turns around and denounces you? If anything, the Warden betrays Anora in that instance, not the other way around. She only betrays you at the Landsmeet if you flat out tell her that you are kicking her out of her position, of course she is going to fight for her crown, she flat out tells you she wants it. You can lie to her and she'll support you until you reveal your true colors.

I mostly like Anora, but if you leave her as the only ruler then she cracks down on the elves after they riot over a lack of food. I prefer to marry her off to a hardened Alistair so she has someone to balance her out.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

With that kind of reasoning we can excuse Alistair's fit over Loghain far easier.

He's a man who betrayed the king, got a nice big part of their army killed, is refusing to get the help of the Grey Wardens who actually know how to deal with the crisis... Throwing a fit over losing personal power your dad got you by betraying your husband is a bit less understandable I think.

Loghain did not "betray" the King. He told Cailin repeatedly that being on the front lines of the the main forces was a stupid idea. He wasn't even happy about having the battle, as he expressed doubts about it at the final war meeting before the battle. He saw that enemy forces were much larger than expected and made a judgement call to retreat because he thought that the battle was lost. Had Cailin taken his advice to not be on the front lines, he would still be alive. And you can't blame Loghain for not taking the Wardens seriously. There hasn't been a Blight in 400 years. Loghain didn't even think there was an Archdemon. And the Wardens do themselves no favors by not telling anyone why they are needed to end a Blight. All they say is "We have to be there, trust us." You'd think they would at least let generals and rulers in on their secret to have actual proof that rulers should fund them.

Now let us talk about Orlais. Loghain fought a war to end a decades long occupation by Orlais. Now, a couple of decades later with Ferelden under heavy assault by darkspawn, Cailin wants to invite a bunch of Orlesian Grey Wardens and chevaliers in to help out. Let us keep in mind that Celene cut through the succession line to become Empress (she was 4th in line for the throne). She is cunning and ambitious. The Grey Wardens are also heavily funded by Orlais. Who knows where their loyalties lie? Grey Wardens were originally banished from Ferelden to begin with because their order there tried to overthrow a king. Who is to say that the Orlesians will leave after the Blight? It is a legitimate concern.
Loghain is not the bad guy he is painted out to be. He definitely did some dirty things after Ostagar, but he was not evil. Alistair was blinded by a need for vengeance.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

It was definitely OOC for her. She was currently splattered in her father's blood, so I can be a little forgiving. But I think her gaffe was less egregious than Alistair's. Alistair also said "fuck you" to the Warden order as well. That seemed out of character for me. Throwing a fit over the throne? Sure. Betraying the order that he talks about believing in all game? And with his mentor being "do whatever it takes" Duncan? Not buying it. There was some lazy writing going on.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

It was definitely OOC for her. She was currently splattered in her father's blood, so I can be a little forgiving. But I think her gaffe was less egregious than Alistair's. Alistair also said "fuck you" to the Warden order as well. That seemed out of character for me. Throwing a fit over the throne? Sure. Betraying the order that he talks about believing in all game? And with his mentor being "do whatever it takes" Duncan? Not buying it. There was some lazy writing going on.

I think we can both agree that both character's outbursts were out of character, even given the circumstances in front of them. A calculating politician like Anora would've never lost her cool, and the Order was everything to Alistair, he would've never abandoned it like he did.

I blame Loghain. He's the root cause of both outbursts! We should behea-wait...

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

It was definitely OOC for her. She was currently splattered in her father's blood, so I can be a little forgiving. But I think her gaffe was less egregious than Alistair's. Alistair also said "fuck you" to the Warden order as well. That seemed out of character for me. Throwing a fit over the throne? Sure. Betraying the order that he talks about believing in all game? And with his mentor being "do whatever it takes" Duncan? Not buying it. There was some lazy writing going on.

I think we can both agree that both character's outbursts were out of character, even given the circumstances in front of them. A calculating politician like Anora would've never lost her cool, and the Order was everything to Alistair, he would've never abandoned it like he did.

I blame Loghain. He's the root cause of both outbursts! We should behea-wait...

I blame Bioware for having a hidden mechanic like "hardening" that depends on one or two lines of dialogue in a side quest that has major consequences at the end of the game.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

It was definitely OOC for her. She was currently splattered in her father's blood, so I can be a little forgiving. But I think her gaffe was less egregious than Alistair's. Alistair also said "fuck you" to the Warden order as well. That seemed out of character for me. Throwing a fit over the throne? Sure. Betraying the order that he talks about believing in all game? And with his mentor being "do whatever it takes" Duncan? Not buying it. There was some lazy writing going on.

I think we can both agree that both character's outbursts were out of character, even given the circumstances in front of them. A calculating politician like Anora would've never lost her cool, and the Order was everything to Alistair, he would've never abandoned it like he did.

I blame Loghain. He's the root cause of both outbursts! We should behea-wait...

I blame Bioware for having a hidden mechanic like "hardening" that depends on one or two lines of dialogue in a side quest that has major consequences at the end of the game.

I actually like the "hardening'mechanic because it results in some pretty fun things(like the threesome if you romanced Leliana or Alistair and hardened them).

I like the mechanic itself, I just hate how hidden it is. I didn't know about it until my 3rd playthrough.

 

[Ikasury]

Well, this probably had a lot to do with it.

Voice acting so grating it makes the syntax challenged narrator from Soulstorm sound like Shakespeare.

hey, hey, hey... hey! ... how dare the Imperials rule!! that's just shenanigans!! don't make me get the Canoness back here!! *snickers*

though... wow... on topic, wow... just... huh... yea, i NEVER could stand the woman long enough to pull that off to actually SEE her giving the speech... sure if i went evil-M!Cousland and went the whole GoTs 'I be King!! rawr!' route... sure, why not... but i don't like being that kind of dick... or playing humans... they're boring... but... *busts out laughing* XD well, i suppose that does set up a valid argument... *snorts* i love the Narrator for 40k games and their jacked up 'neo'-latin-ism... though Anora's weird middle-english-thing... ugh...

as for the not liking her part, originally i thought she was, or could be, a 'good' person, since she seemed upset with her dick!Father for, well... being HIM! XD so yea, after wasting my time saving her ass she attempts to just turn me and my peeps in... and think that's all dandy? i don't know if she was just being stupid, trying to pull some BS like her dad, or was truly evil underneath... i went Morrigan's route and just did not trust the woman any further...

her and Aelinore (or however you spell her name), the duke's wife in Dragon's Dogma (lol), can go jump off a bridge for all i care... both of them pull this same bullshit... and look alike... hmm... might be something there... but at least in D'sD i can pick her up and toss her off a bridge... so there's some satisfaction there, Anora... yea, i can just threaten her, not even SLAP! her!! what is this!!

Ser Cathrine was at least delusional, so she had that in her defense... Anora... i don't even know, either stupid or power-hungry, either one...