Dragon Age - Why so much hate for Anora?

[Ren_Li]

I'm always tempted, but it feels wrong to do that to him. Or as my sister just said: "But I like him happy and stupid."

Maybe because I always play a bit of a hardened, cynical character as that's what I'm really like, I like a man even in my video game fantasies to balance me out.

Fair enough, to each their own. Personally, it seemed more like a kindness to infuse him with some inner strength and a desire to seek his own happiness, especially if he's going to be put on the throne. But that's just my take on it.

 

[Bayushi_Kouya]

Seriously... If you're ever going to re-play it, try hardening him, if only for the experience.

hehehehehe . . . 'hardening' Alistair . . . hehehehe

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Because she's got no royal blood in her and no right to the throne. She's trying to usurp Alistair's right to rule. Also, the hussy tried to seduce my male Warden and steal Alistair from my female one.

PS. Accepting Morrigan's offer, marrying Alistair with female warden then moving on to Awakenings in brilliant.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

 

[ryessknight]

Anora? Oh the queen. I barely remembered her, she wasnt much of a charactor really. Just a path choice for alastor for me. Compared to others like logan and even duncan she just didnt stand out at all.

 

[bat32391]

She's a *****, but she knows what she's doing. I just marry her to Alistair, so that everyone wins. Plus I like executing her Father myself anyway.

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

Well I know if I ruled a country for five years and everyone loved me,I would be pretty miffed if someone just come came along and took it from me.Alistair forgot that being a Grey Warden means putting your personal feelings aside in order to fight the darkspawn.

She's supposed to be as much of a master strategist as her father, and a gifted politician. Her throwing a fit like she does is completely out of character and makes her look weak. Like I said, she could've easily moved herself into a position of power, but instead o doing something that would've been in character, she throws a goddam fit, throwing everything out the window, all because she lost the popular vote. Not because she thinks she's what's best for Ferelden, but because she lost.

 

[Goofguy]

She may be a more capable leader than Alastair but she betrays the Warden and their party at every turn all for her own ambition. She's essentially a boring character in comparison to the alternatives to the throne, including the silent Human Noble Warden.

 

[godofslack]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

With that kind of reasoning we can excuse Alistair's fit over Loghain far easier.

He's a man who betrayed the king, got a nice big part of their army killed, is refusing to get the help of the Grey Wardens who actually know how to deal with the crisis... Throwing a fit over losing personal power your dad got you by betraying your husband is a bit less understandable I think.

I disagree, Alistair's desertion betrays Ferelden, risks the entire remaining army, and with complete understanding of how needed Grey Wardens are, he chooses to leave if Loghain joins the order. The fact that Alistar would react like that betraying the Grey Wardens in such an heinous way, by abandoning a continent, shows that he's unable to lead. Anora's fit is very short and is nowhere nearly as bad as Alistar's.

 

[CommanderL]

Hardend alistair for king he is well loved by the people but hardend means he takes charge and learns the way of ruling marrying him with anora will lead to stablity

 

[wintercoat]

I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.

That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.

And everything else already said.

She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.

And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.

Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.

Whether it was a power grab by Eamon or not doesn't matter. The decision was made. She lost. Instead of accepting it and trying for a position as adviser, a move I was expecting because it would've put her in an opposing position to Eamon and, y'know, would've been a smart move, she threw a hissy fit and got locked in the tower.

She threw out all of her years of politicking just to throw a goddam ***** fit over losing. She could have easily made the case that, as she pretty much ran things while Cailan was king, and Alistair was new to ruling a kingdom, she would be a valuable adviser. She's a goddam career politician. She could've spun this to her advantage easily. But nope, ***** fits for everyone!

Edit: I'd also like to point out that Alistair wasn't just throwing a fit. He was heavily objecting to allowing a war criminal and traitor to the crown allowed to go free and join an organization with diplomatic immunity.

Well I know if I ruled a country for five years and everyone loved me,I would be pretty miffed if someone just come came along and took it from me.Alistair forgot that being a Grey Warden means putting your personal feelings aside in order to fight the darkspawn.

She's supposed to be as much of a master strategist as her father, and a gifted politician. Her throwing a fit like she does is completely out of character and makes her look weak. Like I said, she could've easily moved herself into a position of power, but instead o doing something that would've been in character, she throws a goddam fit, throwing everything out the window, all because she lost the popular vote. Not because she thinks she's what's best for Ferelden, but because she lost.

That's true but think about it from Anora's POV,not only could her father be executed right in front of her but she witnesses his killer take the throne from her.I understand why Anora would be upset because someone would act just like she did.

I am thinking about it from Anora's point of view. Her entire life she was embroiled in the intricacies of politics. It's basically a game with her. Every move she makes is meant as a power play. Even when she betrays you while rescuing her from Howe's estate was a calculated move in order to stay in Loghain's good graces. Her throwing a fit is akin to John McCain threatening civil war after losing the election. It's just not the move of a person who's supposed to be a master of politicking. It's the attitude of a spoiled child who's favorite toy was taken away. It completely ruined her character for me, turning her from a scheming politician who knows how things work and uses every advantage she can to a petty spoiled brat.

 

[ecoho]

she got me locked in a prison, and screwed me over after she promised to support me. yeah if there was an option for it id of killed her on the spot.

 

[schnln01]

She may be a more capable leader than Alastair but she betrays the Warden and their party at every turn all for her own ambition. She's essentially a boring character in comparison to the alternatives to the throne, including the silent Human Noble Warden.

She tells you that she fears her father's people will have her killed and asks you to keep her identity secret and you are surprised that when you reveal her identity to Loghain's right hand that she turns around and denounces you? If anything, the Warden betrays Anora in that instance, not the other way around. She only betrays you at the Landsmeet if you flat out tell her that you are kicking her out of her position, of course she is going to fight for her crown, she flat out tells you she wants it. You can lie to her and she'll support you until you reveal your true colors.

I mostly like Anora, but if you leave her as the only ruler then she cracks down on the elves after they riot over a lack of food. I prefer to marry her off to a hardened Alistair so she has someone to balance her out.