Loghain did not "betray" the King. He told Cailin repeatedly that being on the front lines of the the main forces was a stupid idea. He wasn't even happy about having the battle, as he expressed doubts about it at the final war meeting before the battle. He saw that enemy forces were much larger than expected and made a judgement call to retreat because he thought that the battle was lost. Had Cailin taken his advice to not be on the front lines, he would still be alive. And you can't blame Loghain for not taking the Wardens seriously. There hasn't been a Blight in 400 years. Loghain didn't even think there was an Archdemon. And the Wardens do themselves no favors by not telling anyone why they are needed to end a Blight. All they say is "We have to be there, trust us." You'd think they would at least let generals and rulers in on their secret to have actual proof that rulers should fund them.Master of the Skies said:With that kind of reasoning we can excuse Alistair's fit over Loghain far easier.RedEyesBlackGamer said:Okay, you have ruled a kingdom for 5 years. There is a meeting to decide who will be the next ruler. Suddenly, the young upstart bastard who has admitted to not wanting the job and sucking at leading in your presence is getting bullied into taking the job by your father's political rival. Said rival will be this bastard's "counselor" on affairs until Alistair grows into it. How would you react? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like a power grab by Eamon.wintercoat said:And she throws her own little fit by refusing to renounce any claims to the throne when Alistair becomes king. Yes, clearly she only has the good of Fereldin in mind by attempting to fracture the nobility.RedEyesBlackGamer said:She only cares about herself? She has already ruled the country for 5 years. The people like her. She was obviously doing something right. Remember that if you get the two to agree to marry, Alistair is the one who breaks it off if he isn't hardened and doesn't like what you do with Loghain. She doesn't. She puts the realm above her own personal desires. Alistair throws a hissy fit and calls the whole thing off if you refuse to kill Loghain.Miyenne said:I'll take a ruler who doesn't want to rule over someone who does any day. Alistair was scared of being King and screwing up, and that's a good thing. She just wanted power. He cared about the people, she cared about herself.
That and I always played as a human noble and could never resist his clumsy charm so I wanted to marry him, and the only way I could do that was to put him on the throne. And I never hardened him so I knew he'd try his best to be a good King.
And everything else already said.
He's a man who betrayed the king, got a nice big part of their army killed, is refusing to get the help of the Grey Wardens who actually know how to deal with the crisis... Throwing a fit over losing personal power your dad got you by betraying your husband is a bit less understandable I think.
Now let us talk about Orlais. Loghain fought a war to end a decades long occupation by Orlais. Now, a couple of decades later with Ferelden under heavy assault by darkspawn, Cailin wants to invite a bunch of Orlesian Grey Wardens and chevaliers in to help out. Let us keep in mind that Celene cut through the succession line to become Empress (she was 4th in line for the throne). She is cunning and ambitious. The Grey Wardens are also heavily funded by Orlais. Who knows where their loyalties lie? Grey Wardens were originally banished from Ferelden to begin with because their order there tried to overthrow a king. Who is to say that the Orlesians will leave after the Blight? It is a legitimate concern.
Loghain is not the bad guy he is painted out to be. He definitely did some dirty things after Ostagar, but he was not evil. Alistair was blinded by a need for vengeance.