drug testing in schools

[The Infamous Scamola]

I never attended class becuase I was out being too cool for school having a fun time, but I wasnt stupid I was just foolish, just becuase people have a fun go out and have fun, misbehave and such doesnt mean there uninteligent.

Sounds stupid to me.
Memorizing dates and statistics without the wisdom to see the use for an education doesn't strike me as intelligent.
And you misspelled unintelligent.
And your grammar is terrible.

So you've got a good memory, but failed English?

Every 'druggie' in my high school is still stuck back in my small, crappy home-town.
They still have their bad habits, and they've got the life to prove it.

And you know what? I had tons of fun in school! Your implications that those who didn't use drugs or other substance abuse didn't 'have fun' is terribly wrong. Flat out wrong. Not all of us are so insecure as to need any of that for 'fun'.
Besides, when I was driving friends home while they were puking all over the place with terrible headaches and making fools of themselves, they didn't look like they were having fun.

I'll pass on that 'fun', thanks.

That's weird, since you seem to be making the implication that anyone that isn't a goody two-shoes at school and smokes weed is bound to fail at life.

 

[Sovvolf]

I never attended class becuase I was out being too cool for school having a fun time, but I wasnt stupid I was just foolish, just becuase people have a fun go out and have fun, misbehave and such doesnt mean there uninteligent.

Sounds stupid to me.
Memorizing dates and statistics without the wisdom to see the use for an education doesn't strike me as intelligent.
And you misspelled unintelligent.
And your grammar is terrible.

So you've got a good memory, but failed English?

Every 'druggie' in my high school is still stuck back in my small, crappy home-town.
They still have their bad habits, and they've got the life to prove it.

And you know what? I had tons of fun in school! Your implications that those who didn't use drugs or other substance abuse didn't 'have fun' is terribly wrong. Flat out wrong. Not all of us are so insecure as to need any of that for 'fun'.
Besides, when I was driving friends home while they were puking all over the place with terrible headaches and making fools of themselves, they didn't look like they were having fun.

I'll pass on that 'fun', thanks.

I never said people who dont take drugs dont have fun, I've never taken any illegal drugs, I was angry at the fact that he looked down on people for seeming dim-witted.

I already stated in my message that my grammer was terrible, I have terrible grammer I admit that, I didnt fail english believe it or not, I failed grammer but not literacy.

I stated that I was foolish at school and in retrospect its true, I was foolish, I should have parked my arse down and studied maybe I wouldnt have had to go through a level one course to move to a level 2 course to move up to my current course.

 

[JacobCO]

I think I love you.

Sorry, my heart belongs to another.

Though I do have to correct you on a little point earlier about adderal.

Adderal contains Amphetamine and Dextroamphetamine (Which is just a steroisomer of Ampheteamine)
Meth is (Well, it's cut with all kids of things, but the primary active ingredient typically is) Methamphetamine.

While they belong to the same "family" and have similar effects, the two are about as similar as Splenda is to DDT.

 

[DigitalSushi]

So? It's a stupid law anyway. Fuckin' Alcohol is worse than weed.

Yeah. That isn't an argument, y'tosser.

Correct, its not an argument, tis fact.
y'bleeding gummer

or whatever, look I had like two seconds to think of a witty retort, unfortunatly me, comebacks and 2 seconds happens all too often, only not when its with regard to a retort.

 

[beddo]

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

Yeah, we're stepping into "crime doesn't fit the punishment" zone here.

I you report them to the police... and then what? They arrest them? For smoking weed?

Well yeah maybe. Its illegal. A CRIME. You do a crime and you get caught you go to jail. Its a kid and assuming its a first time offense, the most they will get is some court ordered consuling and probation. If we are lucky maybe a night in Jail.

Just because you don't believe something should be against the law doesn't mean it isn't. I think taxes are fucking stupid but I sure as hell know if I cheat on them and get caught I am going to jail.

Well reporting the positive would be pointless because you always get a number of false positives. Even if the test were 99% accurate, in a school with 1,000 students on average 10 innocent students would appear as positive tests and 10 guilty students would appear as innocent. This simply would not be sufficient evidence to prosecute over a relatively minor crime.

If you get caught committing a crime and a successful prosecution is brought against you then you may go to jail. You may just go on probation or community service especially for a first time offence. I don't see how a custodial sentence would benefit society. To an extent the Government are complicit for not seizing illegal substances at the point of entry. It's futile going after the end users, they need to go after producers, gangs, dealers and sellers if they want to make an effective change.

I'll tell you something that is against the law, violation of Constitutional rights. If the police or school did this then they could well end up in jail.

 

[King_Paco]

shitt that's fucked up.

 

[beddo]

So? It's a stupid law anyway. Fuckin' Alcohol is worse than weed.

Yeah. That isn't an argument, y'tosser.

Personal attacks aren't acceptable behaviour on this forum.

Moreover, it is an argument. This person is arguing that it is inconsistent for one drug to be made legal over another especially when the legal drug; alcohol is more damaging to health.

 

[TheMercenary]

My old high school has recently decided to implement a drug testing policy for students wanting to participate in extracurricular activities and for the right to obtain a parking permit.

I don't know, to me it sounds fair. No coach is going to want to have to deal with a doped up athlete and the school would certainly rather avoid handing out permits to stoners. To me, it's more of a way of preparing students for what their lives will most likely be like as they grow older in terms of requiring a cleaner approach.

Go ahead and drink (hell go ahead and smoke, I personally don't care) but keep it separate from education and work.

it is also worth noting that the parents of a student can request a drug test for their child and that kids can be tested if they are acting strangely, so it is affecting more than just student priviledges.

To me, this is a bigger problem than the above statements. Requiring tests for having a parking spot or participating in team activities makes sense. Parents being able to force a test out of their children just for being "strange" (how many people are not strange as teenagers?) is flat wrong. It's one thing if you're running down the halls of your school calling yourself the king of France and humping each trash can you pass, then yeah, you may be asking for a test.

EDIT: one problem i see with this policy is the fact that this same school gave my prom date and i a beer mug and wine glass for our prom gifts. which we promptly took to a prom party and used the hell out of

Welcome to America, where we sell the greeting cards next to the assault rifles!

 

[Sovvolf]

If I learned anything while in high school it's that the authority shouldn't trust high school kids. I mean, for the most part, they're idiots with egos the size of a planet.

my high school only suspected people who deserved suspicion, rather than hoisting it upon people who don't act suspicious in any way. there was no problem with this. why change it all of a sudden?

actually, we did have talk of sniffer dogs coming in one day, but I never saw them. maybe the head changed his mind.

in any case, the administration needs to at least put on a face of trusting the students. drug testing for people who are applying for things that don't really have much to do with drugs would make people angry, more likely to disbehave, and for what? some kid toking up?

despite the edgy "cynical" view that all high schoolers are idiotic rule-breakers that need to be kept in line by AUTHORITAH, they're really more intelligent than people realise (though they often misdirect their intelligence, or forget it occasionally). they know when they're being treated unfairly, and they would raise some kind of shit about it, even if it's just low-level disturbance.

as far as I can tell, this kind of drug testing results in more work, for results that really aren't worth the effort.

Ok, so maybe I was being a bit harsh. I was, however, speaking from my experiences of high school, which only ended 5 years ago. Maybe you've got a better school system then I had, but most high school students in my area were either vapid whores who couldn't keep their legs shut or moronic stoner kids who thought they were hardcore by breaking the law.

The more intelligent students in my graduating class(myself included) were trusted because we gave the staff a reason to trust us. Our girlfriends weren't pregnant, we showed up on time, we did our work, and we didn't reek of pot and ask stupid questions that are common knowledge. Then again, we also had a very large "gangsta" population who was, amazingly, comprised of my school's most dim witted students(like the one guy who asked what Pearl Harbor Day was).

So I apologize if I offend with my comments, because i'm basing my cynical attitude off my previous experience and the idiots I see around the local shopping mall. Then again, this is the suburbs of D.C., the home of the morons.

Wow, did you have any fun at all at school?? its funny but you look down at people like these like people like you used to do to me at school, I was moved up in history in my school becuase I excelled beyond my class, I went from the bottom class right to the top becuase of this, and when I walked in this class a student like you commented on me, saying "I think you have the wrong class, this is for the intelligent students" to which I embarrased him in front of the class by asking him what to me was basic historical trivia that he couldnt answer such as who were forces fighting at the battle of theyomopoly (He stated Egyptions versus the romans), or the death of the year the version queen died (1603), who assinated Gias Julius Caesar and at what date, this student couldnt answer one of them and sat down.

Your probably not as arogant as that kid but it really gets to me when people look down on others for such things, if you had met me at school then you would have thought I'd have been as dim-witted as those gangsta's your talking about and if you read my handwriting or my spelling then you'd think worse, I never attended class becuase I was out being too cool for school having a fun time, but I wasnt stupid I was just foolish, just becuase people have a fun go out and have fun, misbehave and such doesnt mean there uninteligent.

Uh, yeah. I had lots of fun in high school, but that doesn't change the fact that my school was populated with idiots.

I don't believe everyone who's ever gotten high is some moron who deserves a bullet in the softest part of the skull, just the people who think they're so cool and edgy for doing so. Yeah, i'd gotten high a few times but I never made it seem like it was anything more than it was. People try to act like it's a part of their culture, when in reality they just want someone to think they're edgy.

I went out and had fun a lot, in fact it's something I still do on a regular basis. But I still focused on my studies because I wanted to get good grades and have a chance at getting a good education in college. I got in my fair share of trouble with some of my teachers(such as my senior year English teacher who told me I read too much), but I never gave them reason to believe I wasn't able to get the work done and pass the class.

The problem I have is when people went out of their way to cause trouble so they could be more of a hard-ass and seem cool for it, it just seemed so silly to me to be cool because you got held back 4 times for being stupid. The worst, however, were the kids who would always show up late for class(like they didn't know after 4 years what time 1st period started) and then try and act all hardcore when the teacher would call them out on it. Don't go "I don't see why i'm in trouble" when you've never once been on time.

Just as a matter of opinion, I think "foolish" and "moronic" are two very different terms. All teenagers are foolish, it's part of the experience. You can, however, be foolish and still be an intelligent person(as you've proven). I'm no genius, nor will I ever claim to be, but I knew when I needed to get shit done, and when was the time to dick around and be a kid. I don't look very smart(unless you consider everyone with glasses to be smart), but I still passed with a 3.6 GPA.

Look I'm sorry I didnt mean to type the didnt you have any fun part, kinda was alittle peveed when I said it, its just in that message its seemed as if you were looking down on people for not being a good two shoes, nd it kinda reminded me of that student, didnt mean to offend.

 

[Baby Tea]

SNIP

That's weird, since you seem to be making the implication that anyone that isn't a goody two-shoes at school and smokes weed is bound to fail at life.

Not at all.
I know casual drug users who do well in their fields. But I never saw anyone who was into substance abuse succeed at anything besides making bail.

And 'goody two shoes'? Really? What are we, seven?
My disinterest in alcohol and drugs has nothing to do with 'the rules'.

 

[DigitalSushi]

I think the testing is a step in the right direction.

why? the people I went to school with who were the school kids that were drinking and doing drugs are now working in a Cinema serving people popcorn, thats not such a bad thing, people need popcorn while watching transformers. The higher class intellects certainly will not serve popcorn or work in a Cinema.

Pah to those high brow people, pah I say, well wheres your education now?, I get all the popcorn I want while working in Virgin Cinema, so HAHA! I win.

 

[fenrizz]

My school has drug testing if you are under suspicion of using drugs, such as a past history of it in your criminal record or in school record. and also for those in sports but nothing really comes out of it, though a couple years ago ten kids all got suspended for a week because they had all been in the same class with a guy who brought pot brownies to a in-class party thing...

hehe, wish I'd been there to see that.
That would be hilarious!

My school never had any drug tests either, unless someone was obviously high.
But then they would call the parents, and they had to give their consent.
Sports and the like are independent of schools here in Norway, so there were no drug tests there.

Seems like everyone is getting very afraid of everything over there in America, Britain and several other countries.
I like it being a little relaxed here in Norway, although we are being influenced (in my opinion) in the wrong direction.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

SNIP

That's weird, since you seem to be making the implication that anyone that isn't a goody two-shoes at school and smokes weed is bound to fail at life.

Not at all.
I know casual drug users who do well in their fields. But I never saw anyone who was into substance abuse succeed at anything besides making bail.

And 'goody two shoes'? Really? What are we, seven?
My disinterest in alcohol and drugs has nothing to do with 'the rules'.

Yeah, I'm pretty immature like that. I giggle like a schoolgirl evrytime anyone says "Bangkok".

Hur hur hur

Must've misread your post.

 

[DarkLordofDevon]

Another test I can pass! Sweet!
Pity I don't go to school anymore... Nevermind.
Yup, exclude the druggies.

 

[blindey]

If there are school rules against smoking/drinking at such a time where alcohol will affect your ability to perform at school/taking drugs, then why not?

Either you're guilty, in which case you're breaking the rules and are afraid of finally getting caught or you're innocent and thus have nothing to fear.

Please hand over all your medical records, let me fingerprint you and run your prints through federal / international databases, and detain you until such time as the checks have run positive. You have done nothing, therefore you have nothing to fear, right?

I'm going to be naive here and point out that the people in high school shouldn't be doing drugs anyway (or anybody for that matter). Also, do you all also seriously think that the people who do extracarricular activities will be the kind of people to smoke a joint? By extracarricular I'm assuming you mean debating, drama etc.

That's just the thing: [allcaps science]PEOPLE WHO ARE IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES ARE THE LEAST LIKELY DEMOGRAPHIC TO DO/USE DRUGS.[/allcaps science]

 

[JacobCO]

I think I love you.

Sorry, my heart belongs to another.

Though I do have to correct you on a little point earlier about adderal.

Adderal contains Amphetamine and Dextroamphetamine (Which is just a steroisomer of Ampheteamine)
Meth is (Well, it's cut with all kids of things, but the primary active ingredient typically is) Methamphetamine.

While they belong to the same "family" and have similar effects, the two are about as similar as Splenda is to DDT.

I don't doubt what you say could be true as pharmacueticals are not my area of expertise, but a co-worker showed me her child's perscription bottle and it clearly said METHamphetamine. I understand the concepts you speak of with isomers (I did have an organic chem class back in the day)- is it possible that there are different variants of methamphetamine that just get lumped into one category due to similarity?

There are two basic forms, the Illegal "Fun" kind, (A clock-wise rotational isomer) and the legal, "Boring" kind.(a counter-clockwise rotational isomer)
The latter is found in nasal decongestant inhalers and a few miscellaneous pharmaceuticals.
The former is found in a trailer being cooked up by a disgruntled sore-encrusted burn-out named "Bubba".

I was not aware of the "fun" kind of meth being currently used in prescriptions, I'll have to look into that. Amphetamine is commonly used (in both generic and brand name) as medication for various psychological disorders (Most notably ADD/ADHD, but also occasionally as an antidepressant)

However, as Methamphetamine is "only" a schedule II drug in 49 states (It's schedule I in CA) it legally has an "acceptable medical usage" though I'm clueless as to exactly what that is. (Severe ADHD and bad reaction(s)and/or high tolerance to normal Amphetamine would be my only guess, though that sounds unlikely.)

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

Well that sucks! I'm glad that my school doesn't do drug tests!