E-cigarette and vaping

[dumbseizure]

The vapour is actually quite innocuous. It has no smell, it has no texture. It doesn't leave any condensation and vanishes almost immediately after it is exhaled.

That also depends on what kind's being used. All the people I know that vape and use e-cigarettes have a very distinct smell.


As a former smoker, now non smoker who can't be around people smoking without being sent into an asthma attack, I like people who vape a lot better. Because the vapour doesn't irritate my asthma. Most of the people I know who do it are trying to cut out the nicotine addiction so they have the least amount as possible and keep dialing it down until it's not there anymore. And some of the scents/tastes they use smell really good.

I try to use ones that leave very little to no smell, and while some juices do leave a smell behind, I find that after a few minutes that smell is gone anyway.

 

[Laughing Man]

You lost me somewhere between the adjectives, moralising and speculation...

The start was the adjectives, the middle had the speculation and the end had the moralising I am more than a little interested at how you managed to get through the entire post but still got lost between three separate points? Or where you so lost you just hit the replay to thread button in the hope you would find your way out?

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I smoked for around 25 years. Now I use this monstrosity:

After switching to e-cigs about a year and a half ago, I managed to quit smoking real cigarettes. It's hard though. I still crave them. I know non-smokers think cigarettes are about the worst smelling things in the world. And that's objectively true, sure. But when you crave one, it's more enticing than apple pie.

 

[dumbseizure]

I smoked for around 25 years. Now I use this monstrosity:

After switching to e-cigs about a year and a half ago, I managed to quit smoking real cigarettes. It's hard though. I still crave them. I know non-smokers think cigarettes are about the worst smelling things in the world. And that's objectively true, sure. But when you crave one, it's more enticing than apple pie.

Wow, that looks like a beast of an e-cig.

If you don't mind me asking, what parts are those?

I've never actually used a tank, I've always used cartomizers and dripped.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

snippety doo

I'm not 100% sure what the components are called on the cig itself. My dad picked it up for me one day while he was at the vapor place. There is no branding on the wand itself and I threw out the box when I got it several months ago. But the tank is a Kangertech Protank-II.

I really like them. They can employ three different sizes of wicks so you can really customize it to your personal liking.

I used to use the standard plastic tanks that came with the C-twist batteries, but these are much better. I keep three or four of them (one broke when I dropped it at El Fenix). I don't like to switch flavors so each vapor I use gets its own tank.

The place I go to has a great bourbon flavor, a pretty decent plain cigarette flavor, apple, and one called Tiger's Blood that I'm very fond of. All great on their own, but mixing them is terrible so that's why I try to keep a tank per flavor.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

Here is the box the tanks come in (each sold seperately

And the enormous batteries and charger that it uses

These are the wicks I mentioned, they come in 1.8, 2.2, and 2.5 mm. The guy who sold them to me said that the higher the wattage you use, the higher gauge you would want to accommodate it. Kinda sounded like salesman horse shit to me, but who knows?

And lastly, here is the adjustable wattage display. I keep mine on about 4 V

sniplet

 

[dumbseizure]

snippety doo

I'm not 100% sure what the components are called on the cig itself. My dad picked it up for me one day while he was at the vapor place. There is no branding on the wand itself and I threw out the box when I got it several months ago. But the tank is a Kangertech Protank-II.

I really like them. They can employ three different sizes of wicks so you can really customize it to your personal liking.

I used to use the standard plastic tanks that came with the C-twist batteries, but these are much better. I keep three or four of them (one broke when I dropped it at El Fenix). I don't like to switch flavors so each vapor I use gets its own tank.

The place I go to has a great bourbon flavor, a pretty decent plain cigarette flavor, apple, and one called Tiger's Blood that I'm very fond of. All great on their own, but mixing them is terrible so that's why I try to keep a tank per flavor.

Oh cool, I have some kangertech parts and, while some people have said the quality isn't great, I haven't ever really had a problem with them.

Unfortunately, living in Australia, all the flavours and nicotine juices I have to buy online, as for some reason they have banned the sales of juices with nicotine, but you can still buy them in stores without nicotine. The flavours I enjoy the most so far are a smooth mocha flavour I bought, a Coca Cola flavour and a red bull flavour (which bizarrely enough isn't called red bull because of copy right, it was originally called "energy cow" but is now called "rouge taurus").

Sorry, pic snip for size

That actually looks really good, I might have to look into kangertechs tanks, Plus that battery wand looks good. I like the screen on it for the voltage, mine at the moment is a variable voltage one, but it has no screen and only 3 LED colors to show the difference (red 2.4, red+blue 3 and blue 3.8) which becomes a pain in the ass because I constantly forget what color means what.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Meh, I've quit smoking exactly 25 days 14 hours 34 minutes ago. I've never really wanted to get into that E-cig crap.

1) people using it look like idiots
2) can't use it indoors
3) people using it look like idiots

The best thing to do imho is to just quit. The problem with quitting is that your days seem sooooo fuuuuucking loooong. And you feel depressed during those very loooooooong days. It is the nicotine withdrawal which tends to be very bad the first week. The second week is still a ***** sometimes. Third week is ok. I'm in my fourth week now and I only feel cravings now and then. Not even every day anymore.

Life still sucks though. I heard that semi depressed feeling can last up to 6 months. Bah.

Not any more like an idiot than someone smoking a normal cigarette. That said, I agree that the best way to go is to just quit. I also think quitting cold turkey is the way to go. I am not speaking from experience as I don't smoke but my whole family smoked and a few friends and I've seen their varying experiences at quitting in different ways.
The only one that seemed to stick was just giving it up entirely. It is interesting the different experiences also. My brother smoked a pack or two a day for 10 years and he quit. Now even the sight of smoking makes him feel ill and he has no desire for one, ever.
Meanwhile my Dad still craves them even 15 years after quitting. That is rough!

 

[Korolev]

Nictonine is not harmless, but e-cigarettes are, and indeed, MUST, be safer than ordinary cigarettes. It just stands to reason - the most harmful substances in cigarettes are NOT the nicotine, but the 300+ carcinogens that are created by burning the tobacco, tar and paper.

E-cigarettes would have, logically, fewer toxic substances - in fact, the ONLY substance they give to the user, except for water vapour, is nicotine! That's literally all it's giving to the user - Nicotine.

Now, nicotine is extremely addictive and far from harmless - it has nasty impacts on blood pressure, for instance. But there's no way in hell it could be anywhere near as harmful as the ordinary, tobacco based cigarettes. Even if we don't know the long-term health effects in detail, we already know enough to know that they're far less harmful than the 'real' things.

I would encourage smokers to quit entirely - nicotine is not harmless and it is EXTREMELY addictive. As a general rule, it's a bad idea to be addicted to anything. Never let a substance run your life (and no, we're not 'addicted' to water - water is a necessity, nicotine is not).

But if you're not going to quit - vape. Seriously. Do it - you'll be doing far less damage to your lungs. It still wouldn't be good for you, but it's a hell of a lot better than using cigarettes filled with tobacco and paper and tar.

 

[Vegosiux]

What I hate about cigarettes the most is smell. Vaping removes the smell, and the annoying freaking littering of throwing cigarette butts literally anywhere outside for no repercussions.

I really would prefer if all smokers switched to e-cigarettes, but it'd be better if they stopped entirely.

As an on/off (mostly off, except in states of high stress levels) smoker, I can't tell you that you have no idea how much I get irritated by people throwing the butts just anywhere, and how irritated I get when people take stabs at me when I go out of my way to toss it where it belongs - into an ashtray or trash can.

 

[Zantos]

I took up the e-cig a few months ago and now I can't actually smoke any more, it makes me feel ill. Plus I do feel much better, and spend a lot less money. Plus I can do it inside in a lot of places that I either couldn't or wouldn't want to smoke. I recently upgraded to a vision spinner battery with a kanger aerotank for about £30. For those of you that say you look like an idiot when you vape, yeah that's probably true, but I enjoy it.

 

[dumbseizure]

What I hate about cigarettes the most is smell. Vaping removes the smell, and the annoying freaking littering of throwing cigarette butts literally anywhere outside for no repercussions.

I really would prefer if all smokers switched to e-cigarettes, but it'd be better if they stopped entirely.

As an on/off (mostly off, except in states of high stress levels) smoker, I can't tell you that you have no idea how much I get irritated by people throwing the butts just anywhere, and how irritated I get when people take stabs at me when I go out of my way to toss it where it belongs - into an ashtray or trash can.

I know exactly how you feel. As someone who still occasionally smokes the real thing (usually when I am out drinking with friends) it annoys me to hell and back when people just throw their cigarette butts in the street or pathway, when (in most cases I see this) there is a rubbish bin or one of those bins specifically for cigarette butts only a few metres away.

It also shits me when people just throw their cigarette butts out when they're still lit, especially from cars. There has been a few bad fires in Australia started from lit cigarette butts, so to see people still do that (excuse the language) brings my piss to a boil.

 

[Schadrach]

Well you breath water vapor in and out for most of your existence anyway so i am not sure why that would be a big deal at all?

There may well be unknown side effects but compared to burning and inhaling tabacco? give me a fucking break.

It's almost certainly not as bad as smoking. That said, you aren't just breathing water vapor. There's also propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and of course nicotine.

Have there been any studies on glycerin/propylene glycol inhalation? I know they're about as harmless as can be for skin contact and ingestion, but your lungs are something else entirely. I know there's at least one study that suggests propylene glycol in indoor air leads to increased risk of developing respiratory and immune problems in children, but aside from that.

 

[spartan231490]

Well, "vaping" might be better than smoking, but what isn't? It's still not healthy for you. In fact, there is documented evidence that the solvents used convert into formaldehyde, and other known toxins, when you use one. So frankly, I think it's pretty foolish, unless you're using it as a temporary stepping stone towards quitting. Even then, the patch or the gum are probably a lot healthier.

 

[dumbseizure]

Well, "vaping" might be better than smoking, but what isn't? It's still not healthy for you. In fact, there is documented evidence that the solvents used convert into formaldehyde, and other known toxins, when you use one. So frankly, I think it's pretty foolish, unless you're using it as a temporary stepping stone towards quitting. Even then, the patch or the gum are probably a lot healthier.

I read that, but it said something along the lines of it only reaches cigarette levels of formaldehyde at 4.8 volts or higher, and no one I know that uses an e-cig goes over 4v. I find that over 4v with the setup I use it starts to burn everything, so I always have it at around 3 - 3.2 volts.

So, even though it can become formaldehyde, at lower than 4.8 volts its still a lesser amount than normal smoking.

 

[spartan231490]

Well, "vaping" might be better than smoking, but what isn't? It's still not healthy for you. In fact, there is documented evidence that the solvents used convert into formaldehyde, and other known toxins, when you use one. So frankly, I think it's pretty foolish, unless you're using it as a temporary stepping stone towards quitting. Even then, the patch or the gum are probably a lot healthier.

I read that, but it said something along the lines of it only reaches cigarette levels of formaldehyde at 4.8 volts or higher, and no one I know that uses an e-cig goes over 4v. I find that over 4v with the setup I use it starts to burn everything, so I always have it at around 3 - 3.2 volts.

So, even though it can become formaldehyde, at lower than 4.8 volts its still a lesser amount than normal smoking.

Why on earth would you compare anything about health to cigarettes. I said right there that they are healthier than cigarettes, but that doesn't mean they're healthy. It's formaldehyde, an uncommonly potent toxin, why would you want to inhale any?

 

[dumbseizure]

Well, "vaping" might be better than smoking, but what isn't? It's still not healthy for you. In fact, there is documented evidence that the solvents used convert into formaldehyde, and other known toxins, when you use one. So frankly, I think it's pretty foolish, unless you're using it as a temporary stepping stone towards quitting. Even then, the patch or the gum are probably a lot healthier.

I read that, but it said something along the lines of it only reaches cigarette levels of formaldehyde at 4.8 volts or higher, and no one I know that uses an e-cig goes over 4v. I find that over 4v with the setup I use it starts to burn everything, so I always have it at around 3 - 3.2 volts.

So, even though it can become formaldehyde, at lower than 4.8 volts its still a lesser amount than normal smoking.

Why on earth would you compare anything about health to cigarettes. I said right there that they are healthier than cigarettes, but that doesn't mean they're healthy. It's formaldehyde, an uncommonly potent toxin, why would you want to inhale any?

The argument isn't that e-cigs are healthy overall, they probably aren't.

The argument is that e-cigs are HEALTHIER than normal cigarettes. It doesn't matter whether it is a potent toxin, is it less than what normal cigarettes are?

The goal of e-cigs isn't to become healthy, it is to lessen the adverse effects of cigarettes, so that you feel better instead of coughing up your lungs every morning.

So to say "E-cigs aren't healthy" is something that I am pretty sure most people who vape already know, but that isn't the purpose of them anyway.

 

[spartan231490]

Well, "vaping" might be better than smoking, but what isn't? It's still not healthy for you. In fact, there is documented evidence that the solvents used convert into formaldehyde, and other known toxins, when you use one. So frankly, I think it's pretty foolish, unless you're using it as a temporary stepping stone towards quitting. Even then, the patch or the gum are probably a lot healthier.

I read that, but it said something along the lines of it only reaches cigarette levels of formaldehyde at 4.8 volts or higher, and no one I know that uses an e-cig goes over 4v. I find that over 4v with the setup I use it starts to burn everything, so I always have it at around 3 - 3.2 volts.

So, even though it can become formaldehyde, at lower than 4.8 volts its still a lesser amount than normal smoking.

Why on earth would you compare anything about health to cigarettes. I said right there that they are healthier than cigarettes, but that doesn't mean they're healthy. It's formaldehyde, an uncommonly potent toxin, why would you want to inhale any?

The argument isn't that e-cigs are healthy overall, they probably aren't.

The argument is that e-cigs are HEALTHIER than normal cigarettes. It doesn't matter whether it is a potent toxin, is it less than what normal cigarettes are?

The goal of e-cigs isn't to become healthy, it is to lessen the adverse effects of cigarettes, so that you feel better instead of coughing up your lungs every morning.

So to say "E-cigs aren't healthy" is something that I am pretty sure most people who vape already know, but that isn't the purpose of them anyway.

You say that, but e-cigs are being marketed as "safe" and many people believe that. At the least, they are far more toxic than even people who know they are "unhealthy" are aware. As I said in my first post, nicotine gum and patches are both far healthier.