EA Bans Users for Asking for Refunds

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Church185

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Elijin said:
But I sympathize with the consumer, because at that point he felt a chargeback was going to be the only way for him to get refunded. I'm not arguing that EA is evil here, because EA as a whole didn't have much to do with the situation other than employ the rep. I'm arguing that the rep handled the situation badly and the consumer (if all the facts are correct) deserves to be refunded for a faulty product.

The only problem I have with any of this is that the dialogue we see wasn't a screen cap of a support window. It was from a forum post by the guy that wanted the refund. He could have doctored the conversation before posting it to the forums.

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Church185 said:
Elijin said:
But I sympathize with the consumer, because at that point he felt a chargeback was going to be the only way for him to get refunded. I'm not arguing that EA is evil here, because EA as a whole didn't have much to do with the situation other than employ the rep. I'm arguing that the rep handled the situation badly and the consumer (if all the facts are correct) deserves to be refunded for a faulty product.

The only problem I have with any of this is that the dialogue we see wasn't a screen cap of a support window. It was from a forum post by the guy that wanted the refund. He could have doctored the conversation before posting it to the forums.

(dons tinfoil hat)
Is that Solaire in your avatar? >.>


I totally hadnt noticed it was a forum post and not a proper screencap. While I agree the rep was in the wrong in denying the refund, it does throw a least a touch of doubt on the whole affair, as we can see evident in these forums, hating on EA is really really popular.
 

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Elijin said:
Is that Solaire in your avatar? >.>


I totally hadnt noticed it was a forum post and not a proper screencap. While I agree the rep was in the wrong in denying the refund, it does throw a least a touch of doubt on the whole affair, as we can see evident in these forums, hating on EA is really really popular.
Why yes, yes it is.

Blind hatred toward companies and groups is rampant on these forums. I only try to dish out hatred where hatred is due. My personal annoyance at EA stems from Origin. When EA switched their accounts over to Origin accounts they reset everyone's password for security purposes. That is fine and dandy, but I no longer have access to the email account that I made my EA account with years ago. This means I can't get the confirmation email to change my password, effectively locking me out of my EA/Origin account. Customer Service could do nothing to help me so now I can't manage DLC for my Bioware games anymore and I can't access my Battlelog account for BF3. Yes it is my fault for not being able to access the email anymore, but it is still an annoying situation.

OT: I think it would be really funny if EA came out with the actual chat log and said "That is not at all how the situation went down, that guy was being a jerk, that's the real reason they threatened to ban him". But that will never happen.
 

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ThriKreen said:
Yay out-sourced CSR reading from a script.
That's a script??
I'm very used to dealing with disgruntled script-jockeys giving me the runaround and anti-consumer dodge, but what asshole wrote that?? Especially when it contradicts information EA released to their community ON THE SAME SYSTEM.

Either EA is completely unaware of what their outsourced customer service goons are saying on behalf of their company or they wrote the script and then outsourced it to create plausible-deniability.

Neither outcome is good.

Edit: Nevermind. That isn't just a script, that's company policy.

https://help.ea.com/article/returns-and-cancellations
 

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Frostbite3789 said:
Dryk said:
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If you read it, they're only banning people who try to get charges reversed at their bank, which is common practice.
Yeah I noticed that too. Even Valve will ban you with no recourse for charge-backs.
No time for that logic! EA IS TEH SUPRE EVALS!
At the top of this thread, we have evidence that EA do this. But because someone says "Valve do it, too!" without actually providing any evidence, that's all you've got to say?

Because, obviously, if someone says Valve ban people for charge-backs that means they do, and that means EA is totally a cool guy. Yeah?
 

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Why would someone even bother with a refund from Valve? Their sales at 75% off put most of the games within the McDonalds Fast Food range to the slightly more expensive chinese take out. o o;
 

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Church185 said:
Why yes, yes it is.

Blind hatred toward companies and groups is rampant on these forums. I only try to dish out hatred where hatred is due. My personal annoyance at EA stems from Origin. When EA switched their accounts over to Origin accounts they reset everyone's password for security purposes. That is fine and dandy, but I no longer have access to the email account that I made my EA account with years ago. This means I can't get the confirmation email to change my password, effectively locking me out of my EA/Origin account. Customer Service could do nothing to help me so now I can't manage DLC for my Bioware games anymore and I can't access my Battlelog account for BF3. Yes it is my fault for not being able to access the email anymore, but it is still an annoying situation.

OT: I think it would be really funny if EA came out with the actual chat log and said "That is not at all how the situation went down, that guy was being a jerk, that's the real reason they threatened to ban him". But that will never happen.
Some of the rhetoric that gets thrown around regarding video game companies on these forums is pretty hilarious, EA included, but I'm not sure I'd characterize it as "blind hatred". I'd call it very cogent hatred, occasionally manifested as extreme hyperbole.

And my personal annoyance with EA stems from Origin as well.


Motherfuckers. I will never forgive them.
 

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Rachmaninov said:
Frostbite3789 said:
Dryk said:
WoW Killer said:
If you read it, they're only banning people who try to get charges reversed at their bank, which is common practice.
Yeah I noticed that too. Even Valve will ban you with no recourse for charge-backs.
No time for that logic! EA IS TEH SUPRE EVALS!
At the top of this thread, we have evidence that EA do this. But because someone says "Valve do it, too!" without actually providing any evidence, that's all you've got to say?

Because, obviously, if someone says Valve ban people for charge-backs that means they do, and that means EA is totally a cool guy. Yeah?
Then later in the thread we have evidence that EA will hand out a refund if you ask them and don't go to your bank first trying to get a charge back.

wat?
 
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Church185 said:
Elijin said:
Is that Solaire in your avatar? >.>


I totally hadnt noticed it was a forum post and not a proper screencap. While I agree the rep was in the wrong in denying the refund, it does throw a least a touch of doubt on the whole affair, as we can see evident in these forums, hating on EA is really really popular.
Why yes, yes it is.

Blind hatred toward companies and groups is rampant on these forums. I only try to dish out hatred where hatred is due. My personal annoyance at EA stems from Origin. When EA switched their accounts over to Origin accounts they reset everyone's password for security purposes. That is fine and dandy, but I no longer have access to the email account that I made my EA account with years ago. This means I can't get the confirmation email to change my password, effectively locking me out of my EA/Origin account. Customer Service could do nothing to help me so now I can't manage DLC for my Bioware games anymore and I can't access my Battlelog account for BF3. Yes it is my fault for not being able to access the email anymore, but it is still an annoying situation.

OT: I think it would be really funny if EA came out with the actual chat log and said "That is not at all how the situation went down, that guy was being a jerk, that's the real reason they threatened to ban him". But that will never happen.
That sucks...I had that happen to me for a few sites when my hotmail somehow locked me out...

Steam was cool about it and was able to transfer my account to the new email, though, thank GOD.
 

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kman123 said:
http://i.imgur.com/VEJIVmk.jpg

Ok apparently this guy got a refund with little to no fuss so...what the fuck is going on.
I thought this smelt a little fishy, and it wasn't just because of the misleading EA forum thread or the article's egregious spelling errors. I guess even journalists are unable to use spellcheck.
 

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Find a story, twist it, write an exaggerated misleading title which backs up your point further, post as a thread

and voila, you have yourself a fucking escapist thread. now we have somewhere where we can air our irrational hate for a little while! who cares if it isn't true, i want to be angry!
 

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Who was this that did it last? Right, they made that ripoff game... what was is called? Oh, that's right, The War Z, the game and dev that is universally hated and no one is going to buy anything from again. Way to improve your image EA.

EDIT: Okay, I've read every post. Disregard the above. Still shady EA...
 

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Let's just hope it was just this one person who was being dickish and that EA fires him for this. Otherwise, this is going to be yet another stain on the company.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Some of the rhetoric that gets thrown around regarding video game companies on these forums is pretty hilarious, EA included, but I'm not sure I'd characterize it as "blind hatred". I'd call it very cogent hatred, occasionally manifested as extreme hyperbole.

And my personal annoyance with EA stems from Origin as well.


Motherfuckers. I will never forgive them.
I guess "blind hatred" is a hyperbolic statement for most of what is said on the forums, but it certainly exists.
 

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Due to my own experiences with Customer Support at EA I tend to believe this, though they didn't threaten to ban me, they just played "pass the buck" and then started ignoring me because I was inconveinent. I've told the story before, and can do so in detail if anyone is really interested, but basically it revolves around a bad product key, a correction, making me create seperate accounts to use the new key, and then never bothering to follow through on letting me merge them so I'm left juggling multiple EA/Origin accounts.

That said, I do kind of see the issue. Launches of these kinds of products never go smoothly, which is kind of stupid because after all these years you'd expect companies to have started taking them more seriously and ensuring a smooth launch. If nothing else I'd expect there to be an "open beta" sufficient to simulate a launch and put stress on the servers before they start charging money. Over the years people getting POed over the state of online game launches have gotten increasingly focused on rallying to demand refunds if the product is crap/non-functional right out of the box. Plenty of launches accross the entire field of gaming have come with mass demands for refunds, and it's become pretty typical for companies to refuse to honor them, after all if they do they are likely to lose a substantial part of their profit/user base before the game ever launches and works. They generally figure people will calm down and be happy afterwards, so they might as well act ambigiously in the short term since they are not likely to be called on it.

To be honest I can't think of many cases from any company where someone has demanded a refund during a bad launch and gotten one. The customer service guy acting like he did probably also had a lot to do with tons of people demanding the same basic thing at around the same time.

Really the only way this is going to change is if a lot of people with the same problem decide to all make an issue even after the game is fixed, and decide to pursue it legally. Something that is difficult with the increasingly common EULA-rider that users will not engage in collective legal actions, forcing them to entirely self-finance and pursue seperate cases.

It could also change of course if companies started taking their launches more seriously, but I don't see that happening. Betas have increasingly turned into a sort of "free preview" than an actual testing mechanism, and there has been increasing concern about letting too many people into the betas, especially as marketing has increasingly become about deception and hiding the facts of a product until release. To be honest it doesn't seem many products undergo anything close to proper pre-launch stress testing anymore.
 

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Frostbite3789 said:
Rachmaninov said:
Frostbite3789 said:
Dryk said:
WoW Killer said:
If you read it, they're only banning people who try to get charges reversed at their bank, which is common practice.
Yeah I noticed that too. Even Valve will ban you with no recourse for charge-backs.
No time for that logic! EA IS TEH SUPRE EVALS!
At the top of this thread, we have evidence that EA do this. But because someone says "Valve do it, too!" without actually providing any evidence, that's all you've got to say?

Because, obviously, if someone says Valve ban people for charge-backs that means they do, and that means EA is totally a cool guy. Yeah?
Then later in the thread we have evidence that EA will hand out a refund if you ask them and don't go to your bank first trying to get a charge back.

wat?
And then later in the thread we have evidence that Valve don't in fact ban anyone for charge-backs.

EA's still the bad guy here. At least anyone who came into this thread and said "EA is evil" would've had at least one piece of evidence to base it on, rather than you, wading in and saying EA's a totally cool guy just because someone else incorrectly mentioned that Valve might do it, too.

AnarchistFish said:
Find a story, twist it, write an exaggerated misleading title which backs up your point further, post as a thread

and voila, you have yourself a fucking escapist thread. now we have somewhere where we can air our irrational hate for a little while! who cares if it isn't true, i want to be angry!
The title is deliberately misleading.

But that doesn't change the fact that EA threatening to ban people (an action which would likely effect your whole Origin account, costing you any other games you had on there) for trying to get their money back, for a product that doesn't work, is bad.

That much is true, and what little anger that nugget of truth might stir isn't irrational.
 

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Well I thougt this was hilarious funny lol xD

Its cool to see people fighting aganist EA.
 

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Odd. I was able to get MY refund without any problems...other than that 3.5 hour wait in queue to get to chat with someone anyway.
 

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That's pretty fucking retarded. I think a full return policy is in order if it's within a week of purchase.