EA Blames Casuals For Falling Old Republic Subscriber Numbers
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Big expansive universe? Not really, that would be EVE.
EA/BioWare made a planet surface simulator with map to serve as space travel.
Still, you have to admit it ... Their freaking PR machine is unstoppable in sheep shearing. However, BioWare is doomed in my opinion. EA will demand heads at BioWare at minimum.
That honestly can't be it for WoW because I was there when Wow first launched. It was awful. Game mechanics were poorly explained. Stats made absolutely no sense. Quest progression was a clusterfuck to say the least. There was no end game. There were very few dungeons and the dungeons they did have were complete messes. It took them over a year to get their shit together enough to actual make decent content and it took till the first expansion to get game mechanics to make sense.Tanakh said:
Really I'd say the biggest point towards WoW was the Warcraft and Blizzard names. People that didn't care to know had no idea what Everquest was, or DAoC, or any of the first MMO's. However they did know what Warcraft was and they had played Blizzard games before so they gave it a shot.
Seriously even though WoW had its flaws, it was still fun. In addition the concept was new to many players. Hell I even went to Scholomance 30-40 times to get my T0 helmet. But that concept doesn't work anymore like it did with WoW classic.
In addition, you don't even need to go that often into a FP to get an item. Within 1-2 weeks can be fully geared in SWTOR (even in PVP)
Oh and btw. I think the dungeons in WoW worked pretty well at EU release - Strat, Scholo, BRD, BRS were alright as dungeons, Dire Maul was even better (Patch 1.2).
In addition, you don't even need to go that often into a FP to get an item. Within 1-2 weeks can be fully geared in SWTOR (even in PVP)
Oh and btw. I think the dungeons in WoW worked pretty well at EU release - Strat, Scholo, BRD, BRS were alright as dungeons, Dire Maul was even better (Patch 1.2).
Fun trivia: Lieage II got to 2 mill in 2 years, WoW West took the same ammount of time. Hell, Lineage II and EQ II grew faster than WoW the first year.shintakie10 said:
And yeah, WoW launch was chaotic in performance and without endgame that's why i didn't mentioned those in my post as strenghts, for the rest i disagree.
I am not sure of that, maybe the merciless grind of WoW vanilla and EQ won't retunr; but if arenanet keeps some of the long therm grinding of GW 1 you won't run out of content in a couple of weeks, at least i hope they do because that was one of my problems with ToR too.nodlimax said:
Actually, if you want to nitpick, it's honor and not honour[/b] because its the name of the game. An American game.gmaverick019 said:
Oh... and I'm from Canada where we would normally spell it with the u.
I wouldn't mind them doing what STO did. Make the Free 2 Play, but keep the monthly fee for those of us who want the "full experience"
I really can't stomach spin, I know big businesses feel they have to but it's just such bullshit. I remember before launch when they where all like 'this game will have such a wide appeal, to MMO fans, fans of Bioware's previous offerings and to Star Wars fans who may not even be big gamers', and yet when they fail to captivate a good chunk of that audience they say 'oh well it's just the casuals who gives a fuck?' Surely the goal is to make a game compelling and interesting enough that even if I'm not really an MMO fan maybe I'll become one and want to keep playing the game long term, subscriptions are subscriptions and this game is hemorrhaging them fast.
Seriously, when will developers and publishers learn that the MMO market is one market where emulating an already successful product just won't work. And yet they keep trying, TES online will be the next one to break the hearts of nerds everywhere with it's inevitable mistreatment of that worlds lore, crappy WoW gameplay and still birth onto the market. Fuck the idiots who keep commissioning these games.
Seriously, when will developers and publishers learn that the MMO market is one market where emulating an already successful product just won't work. And yet they keep trying, TES online will be the next one to break the hearts of nerds everywhere with it's inevitable mistreatment of that worlds lore, crappy WoW gameplay and still birth onto the market. Fuck the idiots who keep commissioning these games.
I'm not really seeing what Zhukov started *looks a bit closer* hmmm, it's as I suspected, he started nothing!Freechoice said:
Seriously, he said "must not add "u" to honor" because us across the pond spell honour with a "u". Just like we spell colour with a "u" and Americans don't. It was clearly just a joke and you're the one who got all serious and jumped down his throat about it. You, sir, are the one who started it.
Probably some time after his job description ceases to be exactly that: making money.Bvenged said:
Not to mention this is him addressing shareholders, also known as "these people who give us money so they might make a profit". Unless, of course, you have convincing evidence that a majority of their shareholders bought stock with the sole purpose of being a patron to the arts.
I can see it now.
"Sir,we need a reason why we lost 400k people subs!"
-jumps on desk-
"FILTHY STINKING GOD DAMN CASUALS!"
"Casuals? Alright...I'll tell them that.."
-sighing-
Really...Thats your best answer....I "CASUALLY" leveled my ass to cap...and was not impressed...and by "CASUALLY" leveled with a friend 6PM-9:30PM every night and logging in almost 3-4x that on Sat + Sun... And I wasnt impressed.. killed Baras...no LFG system...and the fact when you your story it says GO BACK TO THE FLEET AND WAIT FOR A GROUP! FOR THE EMPIRE!
Once you beat the game....which is SP meets MMO elements... its...ya know...WoW...sitting in town with my thumb up my ass alt tab'd out...
"Sir,we need a reason why we lost 400k people subs!"
-jumps on desk-
"FILTHY STINKING GOD DAMN CASUALS!"
"Casuals? Alright...I'll tell them that.."
-sighing-
Really...Thats your best answer....I "CASUALLY" leveled my ass to cap...and was not impressed...and by "CASUALLY" leveled with a friend 6PM-9:30PM every night and logging in almost 3-4x that on Sat + Sun... And I wasnt impressed.. killed Baras...no LFG system...and the fact when you your story it says GO BACK TO THE FLEET AND WAIT FOR A GROUP! FOR THE EMPIRE!
Once you beat the game....which is SP meets MMO elements... its...ya know...WoW...sitting in town with my thumb up my ass alt tab'd out...
My friend convinced me to get starwars and play with him, as he's a huge Star Wars fan. We played up to level 50, then both of us, not just me, decided that all in all the experience was...well, not entertaining. The story was the only really fun bit and the only thing that dragged us to 50. Every single other part of the game reeks of mediocre MMO gameplay. Its not...bad. Its just not what I've come to expect from MMO's and does literally nothing to push the boundaries of the gameplay aside from the story elements. In fact, many of the systems in the game feel like they were lifted from an MMO one might have played 4 or 5 years ago. And that's not really meant as a compliment.
I imagine many people feel like I do. They enjoyed their characters story, but once they were done, the game held little other interest for them. EA calls us casuals, I call us bored.
I imagine many people feel like I do. They enjoyed their characters story, but once they were done, the game held little other interest for them. EA calls us casuals, I call us bored.