Isnt this illegal? Removing peoples right to sue them via a class action lawsuit? Because it will allow EA games and Sony to COMPLETELY FUCK UP and still get away with it with little or no repercussions in terms of punishment.
EA Changes Origin Terms of Services, Forbids Class Action Lawsuits
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In case you forgot, YOU can still sue them. Theres actually nothing to stop an actual lawsuit.mcattack92 said:
Australia's (newish) Consumer Laws don't allow you to sign over your rights, so Sony, EA, and Blizzard's new Terms of Service don't hold water here.
If you are already an Origin User you can write a letter to EA opting out of their new Terms of Service but it must be recieved by EA 30 days after the Terms of Service are changed. This states that you agreed to their old terms but won't accept their new terms. You could have done it with Sony too but the time has expired I think.
I hope all the people complaining about EA don't have PS3s.
If you are already an Origin User you can write a letter to EA opting out of their new Terms of Service but it must be recieved by EA 30 days after the Terms of Service are changed. This states that you agreed to their old terms but won't accept their new terms. You could have done it with Sony too but the time has expired I think.
I hope all the people complaining about EA don't have PS3s.
Actually they have changed that clause, they still gather information about your system specs and sofware usage, but the new clause forbids them sharing or selling the information with/to a third party. So the revised clause is almost the same as Steam's, only Steam restricts itself a bit more in what it looks at.N3vans said:
These form of clauses aren't legal in Ontario either, I checked when Kotaku reported this little bit last week, I also filed a complaint with the Ministry of Consumer Relations.
EA is trying to push the limit a little bit further and further. Lucky for me I am not that vested in EA products. I won't be purchasing any more of them. Glad Bioware stopped making good games.
I am sure if a lot of you looked in to Consumer laws in your states you will find that you have the same protections.
EA is trying to push the limit a little bit further and further. Lucky for me I am not that vested in EA products. I won't be purchasing any more of them. Glad Bioware stopped making good games.
I am sure if a lot of you looked in to Consumer laws in your states you will find that you have the same protections.
More and more, every day, you keep hearing stories about big business firms like EA and how they're Evil.
You take it with a pinch of salt, but then you actually look at what they're doing to their own customers and it hits you;
They're all idiots. Every last boardroom member in all these big multinational corporations are morons who seemingly intentionally shaft the people who pay their fucking bills.
Back to my hole, so i can calm down, eh?
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You take it with a pinch of salt, but then you actually look at what they're doing to their own customers and it hits you;
They're all idiots. Every last boardroom member in all these big multinational corporations are morons who seemingly intentionally shaft the people who pay their fucking bills.
Back to my hole, so i can calm down, eh?
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That part I found especially shocking. Pretty good indicator on who controls the "law" of the land when a flimsy ToS can undermine the U.S. Constitution! The overarching principal of the matter is quite unsettling, given the recent "trend" of this legal ass-covering.Irridium said:
Indeed. You won't find me supporting companies that pull this crap; I've got plenty to do that doesn't involve dealing with some company's 4 1/2 hour training demo/multiplayer deathmatch that just so happens to entail their not-giving-a-shit-about-the-people-who-keep-them-around behavior.Braedan said:
When companies do try to justify this sort of action, then I ask why should we give a damn about whether or not the second-hand games market is "destroying the industry!"? Tough luck, then.
Corporations want to make a buck, yeah, well the average consumer wants to save a buck. And last time I checked, the average consumer issn't a multi-billion dollar global corporation. People should keep that in mind, especially if "individually suing" such corporations sounds realistic.
I suppose that the only real positive is that Origin sounds like garbage anyway...
You know what? I've had enough of the bitching about this. A Terms of Service is a contract, and a contract should never be signed unless both sides are happy with what they get out of it. If you are not happy with EA or Sony or whoever else doing this, don't sign the contract. The phrase on the boxes is 'I have read and agree to the Terms of Service.' If you have read them, and don't agree with them, don't tick the box. If you have not read them, but tick the box anyway, then you are in the wrong, not EA, and if you have read them and agree with them, go for it.
Seriously, that's all there is to it. You wouldn't sign yourself up to a job without reading your work contract first, you wouldn't sign a warranty on an insurance claim without reading the terms first. Contracts. Read them, if you agree to them, sign them, if you don't, don't ***** about how it's unfair.
This is not difficult.
Seriously, that's all there is to it. You wouldn't sign yourself up to a job without reading your work contract first, you wouldn't sign a warranty on an insurance claim without reading the terms first. Contracts. Read them, if you agree to them, sign them, if you don't, don't ***** about how it's unfair.
This is not difficult.
Binding arbitration is, in my opinion, one of the more bullshitty corporation-favoring loopholes in the law. I don't know if you guys remember the case of the woman working for Halliburton in Iraq who was gang-raped by her fellow employees, but the reason she never got A DIME from Halliburton was because there was a binding arbitration sub-clause in her contract.
So yeah. That's the VERY EXTREME extreme of this so-called "law." It basically makes it so that corporations can do whatever the hell they want to you as long as you sign the dotted line.
'Merica.
So yeah. That's the VERY EXTREME extreme of this so-called "law." It basically makes it so that corporations can do whatever the hell they want to you as long as you sign the dotted line.
'Merica.
TOS and EULA stipulations like this never hold up in court because judges wont recognize the broad powers the publishers keep trying to take.
Don't worry folks. It doesn't mean anything.
I just wish piracy had an actual effect on the big publishers because I'm really hoping they go bankrupt.
Don't worry folks. It doesn't mean anything.
I just wish piracy had an actual effect on the big publishers because I'm really hoping they go bankrupt.
But that's the thing; most ToSs and EULAs you CAN'T read until you buy the product itself. In effect, the ToS/EULA IS the equivalent of taking a job before getting to read the contract, or signing a warranty on an insurance claim before getting to read the T&C first. The legality of software ToSs/EULAs (in the US) is actually unknown because, as far as I know, there isn't a court that has ruled against or for it.MelasZepheos said:
Damn, EA. I had some hope for you.
The moment someone decides to challenge this it'll be brought down. The SCOTUS decision was regarding too different a matter.
The moment someone decides to challenge this it'll be brought down. The SCOTUS decision was regarding too different a matter.
You know what happens when a publisher pushes the fans too far? Spore happens. I think it's the most pirated piece of software to date, mostly pirated out of protest for equal parts undue hype and its DRM (3 installs per disc). I can see this kind of backlash happening again when we get pushed that bit too far. Want to whinge about used sales costing money? Lets see what a million pirated copies gets you. If only gamers had the balls to strike back in this manner again these days.
(Note to the mods, i am not condoning piracy, i am however condoning viable protest these money grubbers will understand)
Edit: When anyone says SCOTUS i read SCROTUM
(Note to the mods, i am not condoning piracy, i am however condoning viable protest these money grubbers will understand)
Edit: When anyone says SCOTUS i read SCROTUM
Dear EA,
I hate you with a burning passion. Not because you do shit like this, but because I can't boycott you for shit like this. You publish Bioware's games, you clever bastards.
Sincerely, An Angry, Powerless Customer
I hate you with a burning passion. Not because you do shit like this, but because I can't boycott you for shit like this. You publish Bioware's games, you clever bastards.
Sincerely, An Angry, Powerless Customer
don't worry
this is just part of there plan for world domination
i for one welcome our new overlords*wink*
this is just part of there plan for world domination
i for one welcome our new overlords*wink*
I honestly would not be surprised if they tried to do this. EA's just beating a zombie horse now.Kapol said:
I want so bad to reference episode 59 from ATHF, but I can't find a fitting video. So instead, here's the contract Carl agrees to when he enters the contest.
Meatwad: See what you win Carl!
Carl: [rips off the bottom of his cup and reads slowly] Uh... tonight you will get your dick ripped off.
[pauses]
Carl: That doesn't sound right does it?
Meatwad: See what you win Carl!
Carl: [rips off the bottom of his cup and reads slowly] Uh... tonight you will get your dick ripped off.
[pauses]
Carl: That doesn't sound right does it?
Nice. On top of being general fags, lets bully the people we already bullied into using our shitty platform for no reason what's so ever.
And then get away with it.
Dirty peasants.
And then get away with it.
Dirty peasants.
