EA Defends Origin From Hardcore Crowd

Li Mu

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My brother spent about 5 days trying to get Origin to work just so he could play Masseffect3.
Something to do with it not validating something or other.
Anyway, in the end the only username he could get to work was something like "gofuckyourselforigin".

I wouldn't mind playing BF3, but as lame as it sounds, I wont buy it as long as it's only on Origin.
If I were absolutely desperate to play BF3 then I probably would obviously install Origin, but since I'm not, I really can't be bothered to go through the hassle others have had.
 

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Absolutionis said:
Why are people believing this garbage?

Steam came out in mid-2003 alongside Half-Life 2. It was DRM then. Valve said they'll make it worth it, and people realized HL2 was a damn good game and Steam was an acceptable way to install/reinstall games wherever.

EA released their EA Download Manager in mid-2005 TWO YEARS after Steam had come out. They later rebranded it into 'Origin' after it had a horrible reputation.

Origin is not as new as EA would have you think. Origin is seven years old and still thay don't have the kinks worked out.
Yes this is very much true. I actually have an origin account I never logged into because I used EA download manager once and they converted it years ago.

You are correct that EA has been trying digital distribution since 2005 and still can't get it right.

But I always found white knights to be entertaining so I keep letting them think origin is new. lol.
 

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I begrudgingly only use Origin for BF3 and ME3. Now I do hate Origin for the plethora of reasons listed in this thread but I hate what happens when my computer tries to open origin. Every time I open Origin on my comp it locks the comp up until Origin is open which can take a long time if their authentication servers are slow. I started using Steam in 2004 and from then to now I've never had any experiences like with origin.
 

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Steam asks me if i want to participate in a Survey and tells me what data they want to have and then presents that data to me and asks me again if i'm okay with that Data being sent off to Valve.

Origin just scans Data. Which Data that might be i don't know but i have seen Screens of origin sniffing about in someones Printerdrivers and Tax Software (!) and then i have no Idea where that Data is sent to or how secure it is there. Since i can't be certain what kinds of Data are scanned i can not discount the Possibilitie that someone might hack EA and make it look like everyone of their Customers has Child Pronography on their Hard Drives.

Also, Origin is harder to get rid off then most Viruses.
 

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I must be the only person on Earth that hates Steam. The way I see it, why waste 3 hours downloading a game when you can get it off a disc, install it, and then play it with in the next 5 minutes?
 

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Deviate said:
Therumancer said:
Actually it's quite true, the bottom line is in your last comment about "requiring activation, which is all that are released these days". Given that little development services like STEAM are the best option, but a gilded cage is still a cage. In the end you wind up having or controlling nothing. If a service like STEAM goes down, it takes all of your property with it, and as untouchable a juggernaut as some of these services seem right now, nothing lasts forever. I can take a disc of a 20 year old game, pop it into an old computer, and play it any time I want to. STEAM goes the way of the dodo, even if they removed the requirement to run through them I won't be able to access my media anymore.
And yet Steam has lasted longer than a lot of physical media has, not to mention the fact that there's a ton of smaller titles out there that can only be procured through digital distribution. Yes, if Steam somehow suddenly tanks (highly unlikely. In fact, the idea is wholly retarded at this point.) then I won't have access to my games. If my house burns down I'll lose access to my book collection as well but that doesn't make owning a house a bad idea. Especially if it's a wonderful house that somehow spawns a ton of awesome books for cheap. Yeah, that analogy got away from me, but the point remains. Your precious physical media is no more secure and safe than my digital media. I control mine just as much as you control yours.

In general, acceptance of digital downloads is largely due to a younger generation that has known nothing else, and honestly does not know any better.
Right. We'll talk about 'younger generations' when you've beaten my scores on all my old C64 games.

Likewise, we've already seen that those running services can cut people off from their content on a whim. We've had people banned outright from their digital libraries due to accusations of cheating in a single game. If someone like Gabe decided to ban you from STEAM entirely, he could potentially cost you thousands of dollars. I'm not saying he'd personally do that, but the fact remains that he COULD do it, and we've already seen situations where things like this happening though services run by companies like Microsoft and EA, which demonstrates how little control you have over your own digital property, and that control is a big part of why the industry has decided to push this technology so heavily.
Oooookay, now I see where you're coming from. The loony bin. Would you like some tinfoil with that conspiracy theory? First off, it's cute how people who have been "banned outright from their digital libraries due to accusations of cheating in a single game" are all innocent and shit. Of course those nitwits are going to claim outrageous shit like that in some ill-advised attempt to gain the favor of public opinion, trying desperately to unfuck what they themselves fucked up. Valve and others are in the business of making money. Killing off a revenue source without cause is not something that's anywhere near their interests. They're greedy, they're callous, they're capitalistic... and they're far from stupid. This means that they're going to be damn careful about keeping as many customers as they can.

In short, if you're 'losing control' over your games because of some service-wide ban, you've screwed the pooch so hard that you frankly don't even belong near a computer. Your little conspiracy theories notwithstanding. Cute, but not particularly near the truth.

A lot of tripe about Gog and abandonware.
What? What the hell does 'generosity' have to do with anything? And you do know that Abandonware is not legal, yeah? All those examples you've mentioned is simply straight up piracy. None of which have anything to do with digital distribution anyway.

Actually Abandonware is NOT piracy,I recommend doing some reading on the subject, especially on some of the sites that operated publically doing it without any need for anonimity at all for years. It's been called a legal gray area, but in strict sense unless the titles were being held by the companies in question it wasn't illegal for them to be distributed. Sites like Underdogs, Abandonia, and others were very careful about taking games down if someone picked up a liscence, or put the game up for sale. This is incidently why things like GOG has been cutting into Abandonware. It also doesn't change the fact that it's had to compete with those versions of games being out there. Adding DRM to something people could have gotten DRM free 2 weeks before they put it up, isn't nessicarly going to go over well. GOG also does provide a valuable service by getting the games to run, which is frankly a pain in the arse for older titles.

This is one of the reasons why I'm such a jerk online at times, I get tired of argueing with people who literally know nothing about a subject, but get all upset when someone tells them what they don't like. I doubt you have any familiarity with Abandonware or the issues involving it at all, before I mentioned it, given that it's been a public thing as opposed to piracy which has been forced underground for legal reasons.

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That said, right now STEAM seems like an all powerful juggernaut, the same with other DD platforms, back when the Apple II or C-64 were out it seemed like they weren't going anywhere either. Ditto for companies like Origin systems which disappeared, and numerous other "institutions". Things do change. The differance is that with physical media you can take a game from something that no longer exists, and play it with the right hardware. If STEAM goes down in 10-15 years, and you have a hankering to play a game you had on that platform on your old system which you kept around, your not going to be able to. You might be able to buy it again from whatever replaced STEAM, but why should you have to?

That's not paranoid, it's simply the way things are. It's called foresight... looking towards the long term as opposed to what is going on right now.

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When it comes to people being booted for cheating, I can see how a service might lock someone out of a specific game, but being able to lock someone out of a service and all of their games (including single player ones) is a bit much. Simply having the power to do that opens doors for incredible abuses. No company should have the power to do something sweeping like that and cost people money that way, under any circumstances. By all means police multi-player in specific games, but locking people out of unrelated products is going too far, and it's already happened.

You simply choose to ignore the problem here, because nothing like this has happened to you. Should you find yourself locked out of a digital library, whether you cheated in a single game or not, I imagine your tune will change.
 

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bandman232 said:
I must be the only person on Earth that hates Steam. The way I see it, why waste 3 hours downloading a game when you can get it off a disc, install it, and then play it with in the next 5 minutes?
Because some people live 5 hours away from the nearest retailer? Because it takes longer to get it through mail? Because some people think Steam is more convenient? Because of Steam sales and awesome customer support?
 

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But Origin had Steam to learn from.
Steam was one of a kind when it was released, and here comes Origin strutting in after Steam is active for - what - 6 years? And Origin somehow still fucks shit up.
Almost 10 years actually, Steam got released in 2003 and yet, Origin feels worse than 2003 Steam.
 

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Therumancer said:
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Therumancer said:
Let me be honest, nobody with half a brain likes digital distribution even a little bit.
Have you heard of "gog.com"?

You haven't? Oh. OK. Just asking.
Done a lot of business with them, but they aren't exactly what you and a lot of people think they are. I just wrote a lengthy run down on them in another message in this topic. A lot of their apparent generosity isn't as generous as you might think given the realities of dealing in old games and the pre-existing abandonware infrastructure it's been replacing.
All I know is that they're selling The Witcher (2), Alan Wake, The Chronicles of Riddick (the new one!) and Introversion's stuff (one of my favorite companies) at affordable prices with no DRM.

Are they the best prices? Nope. That's not the point. The point is that, when you said that "nobody with half a brain likes digital distribution even a little bit", what I got out of your post is that the reason for that is that digital distribution gives you no control over your purchases. Well, gog.com does. So I'd like to think I have half a brain, and I like what gog.com does and where it's going very much indeed.
 

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Marshall Honorof said:
EA Defends Origin From Hardcore Crowd

Then again, EA has been wrong before. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113956-EA-Makes-Nice-With-Activision-and-Modern-Warfare-3]


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Understatement of the decade, right there.

The only difference between the mistakes Steam and Origin have both made in their early days is that Steam was the First One. They were allowed to make mistakes in order to find the good combination they have now. Now, digital distribution sites are nothing new anymore, which means Origin shouldn't suffer from some of the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS Steam did in it's early days.

If Origin is ever going to truly compete with Steam, EA has to stop making up reasons for their flaws and start just fixing them.
 

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I'm sorry EA but you're going to have to face it sometime... hardcore gamers hate you. They hate you with the irrational mindless rage usually reserve for Star Wars prequels. The nerd rage is beyond measure and they will never like you, ever. Cut your loses and stop trying to make them happy.
 

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cursedseishi said:
Well obviously there is a difference. You can be a Bioware fan but hate the current crop of shit being poured out by them and EA like a pair of symbiotic beings who decide to go parasite on a third party. You know, loving Dragon Age: Origins, Jade Empire, pretty much anything released before Dragon Age 2.

Then you got the apologistic sect who doesn't see any differentiation between the Bioware then and the EA/Bioware-Mythic creature now.


Kind of like how you have Old Squaresoft who made kick-ass Final Fantasies and a whole lot of other sweet games, and the Square-Enix now who stumbles about and can never really reach that sweet point like they could.
Or, and I'm just spit-balling here... you could be a person who enjoyed KoTOR, Jade Empire, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins, and enjoyed Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3.

I know. It's a crazy thought.



That being said, I despise EA as a business. They're absolutely horrible, and they meddle in everything that they don't need to be meddling in.
 

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bandman232 said:
I must be the only person on Earth that hates Steam. The way I see it, why waste 3 hours downloading a game when you can get it off a disc, install it, and then play it with in the next 5 minutes?
Because it's faster and easier.

Let's say I'm trying to buy Skyrim. This is a recount of a real experience.

I have to get on a bus, wait for twenty minutes, get on a train, wait for ten more minutes, then I have to wend my way through a mall's bus depot (five minutes), get into the mall itself, strongarm my way through the crowds to the local EBGames (ten minutes), find it's not even there (seriously, EBGames sucks), get back to the train (fifteen minutes), wait because the train is delayed and then ride it back (fifteen minutes), wait twenty minutes for another bus, take a fifteen minute bus ride to the local Future Shop, set off the alarm on the way in and lose ten minutes with dumb people trying to demagnetize my jacket, find that they've sold out, walk over to the nearest Best Buy (ten minutes, three near-fatalities because people cannot drive), grab the last copy, stand there for five minutes as some douche berates me for daring to take the last copy because it was clearly HIS, stand in line for twenty minutes, pay for it, get outside, miss my bus, stand there for forty five minutes before finding out I missed the last one, walk to a nearby bus stop to catch a different one (ten minutes), miss it again, scream in fury and walk home (two and a half hours).

And it started raining half way there.

Which method was better again?
 

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The difference is that Steam was the first serious digital distribution network. They made plenty of mistakes.

Origin has the benefit of a decade of Steam's mistakes, yet they continue to make *EXACTLY THE SAME ONES*. They're even managing to make the mistakes that Steam managed to not only avoid, but explicitly called out so that other distribution networks would be able to benefit from those experiences.

That's the problem people have with Origin: This is the year 2012, and they've produced a service that isn't even as good as Steam was *when it launched*.
This, this, this, this, and also this.

And offering to list crowd funded games for free isn't going to change any of that, EA. You and Origin still suck.

lacktheknack said:
Because it's faster and easier.

Let's say I'm trying to buy Skyrim. This is a recount of a real experience.

I have to get on a bus, wait for twenty minutes, get on a train, wait for ten more minutes, then I have to wend my way through a mall's bus depot (five minutes), get into the mall itself, strongarm my way through the crowds to the local EBGames (ten minutes), find it's not even there (seriously, EBGames sucks), get back to the train (fifteen minutes), wait because the train is delayed and then ride it back (fifteen minutes), wait twenty minutes for another bus, take a fifteen minute bus ride to the local Future Shop, set off the alarm on the way in and lose ten minutes with dumb people trying to demagnetize my jacket, find that they've sold out, walk over to the nearest Best Buy (ten minutes, three near-fatalities because people cannot drive), grab the last copy, stand there for five minutes as some douche berates me for daring to take the last copy because it was clearly HIS, stand in line for twenty minutes, pay for it, get outside, miss my bus, stand there for forty five minutes before finding out I missed the last one, walk to a nearby bus stop to catch a different one (ten minutes), miss it again, scream in fury and walk home (two and a half hours).

And it started raining half way there.

Which method was better again?
Not retail's fault that you suck at owning a car, getting to the bus stop on time, and ignoring people berating you for taking something they wanted in a store. In addition, not retail's fault that you suck at preordering either in-store or online so that a disc is guaranteed to either be in the store waiting for you or delivered to your door on launch day. Finally, it's not retail's fault that you suck at not going to Steam to buy the game in the first place when you know you suck at all of the things mentioned above.
 

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mjc0961 said:
lacktheknack said:
Because it's faster and easier.

Let's say I'm trying to buy Skyrim. This is a recount of a real experience.

I have to get on a bus, wait for twenty minutes, get on a train, wait for ten more minutes, then I have to wend my way through a mall's bus depot (five minutes), get into the mall itself, strongarm my way through the crowds to the local EBGames (ten minutes), find it's not even there (seriously, EBGames sucks), get back to the train (fifteen minutes), wait because the train is delayed and then ride it back (fifteen minutes), wait twenty minutes for another bus, take a fifteen minute bus ride to the local Future Shop, set off the alarm on the way in and lose ten minutes with dumb people trying to demagnetize my jacket, find that they've sold out, walk over to the nearest Best Buy (ten minutes, three near-fatalities because people cannot drive), grab the last copy, stand there for five minutes as some douche berates me for daring to take the last copy because it was clearly HIS, stand in line for twenty minutes, pay for it, get outside, miss my bus, stand there for forty five minutes before finding out I missed the last one, walk to a nearby bus stop to catch a different one (ten minutes), miss it again, scream in fury and walk home (two and a half hours).

And it started raining half way there.

Which method was better again?
Not retail's fault that you suck at owning a car, getting to the bus stop on time, and ignoring people berating you for taking something they wanted in a store. In addition, not retail's fault that you suck at preordering either in-store or online so that a disc is guaranteed to either be in the store waiting for you or delivered to your door on launch day. Finally, it's not retail's fault that you suck at not going to Steam to buy the game in the first place when you know you suck at all of the things mentioned above.
Nope, this was my discovery of the suckage of the above.

You also haven't disproven my point that Steam is faster/easier. If anything, you've conceded in a rather aggressive way.
 

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BBboy20 said:
EA, if you want to be successful, you have to give a bit back but you won't because your only reason for living is to make sure all you see is dollar signs by any means necessary.
Don't kid yourself. That's the goal of every company. If you're not making money, there is literally no reason to stay in business. Valve wants your money just as badly as EA or any other company.
 

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Twilight_guy said:
I'm sorry EA but you're going to have to face it sometime... hardcore gamers hate you. They hate you with the irrational mindless rage usually reserve for Star Wars prequels. The nerd rage is beyond measure and they will never like you, ever. Cut your loses and stop trying to make them happy.
Since when did you speak for all of them? Valve fanboys hate EA sure, but personally I don't have a problem with either company. Nor am I silly enough to pledge undying loyalty to one digital distribution service over another when it's perfectly acceptable to use both. They are not mutually exclusive of one another.

This whole arguement is worse than the silly console wars.
 

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cursedseishi said:
Heh, love the gif, might have to grab that.
It was actually made by someone on these very forums.

And I know that does exist. Though as part of my defense, Mass Effect 2 was definitely a title I loved playing, and was also released before Dragon Age 2. To me Dragon Age 2 just marked a point wherein Bioware titles started to see a decline in overall quality with random ups and downs for each title.

Dragon Age 2? I loved the new art style, loathed the horrid lack of class freedom for customization. If I wanted Merril to be a healer/bloodmage, there's no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to spec her into that. And taking what was once a lovable mage and turning up the emo to 11 while also making him the games single NPC healer, bull-oney!
Well, I'm glad that you're not just spewing irrational hatred for the sake of being angry. I can agree with your points, the overall quality of Bioware titles has dropped and been massively fluctuating since their acquisition by EA. I actually preferred the new skill system, though, because I find that the "typical" system that games like DA: Origins usually take always end up giving you countless talents, skills, and spells that are absolutely useless. And, okay, Merril can't be a healer, but assuming your Hawke isn't a mage, Bethany can be a healer. Mage-Hawke can be a healer too. And considering you can only have three other party members, loading up the group with healing-mages seems a little counter-productive anyway. I suppose if you don't like Bethany or don't want to play a healer yourself, it would be frustrating though.

Mass Effect 3? Such a ramp up, not just across the first and second game, but throughout a majority of the 3rd. Then those last few minutes hit and nothing. All that work gets just a statistical indication, where Mass Effect 2 had clearly shown effects to what you did or didn't neglect. Not to mention the ending they had to have their arms twisted just to patch a little. And its multiplayer does nothing for me, at least with how it works now.
I can't comment on the multi-player (it doesn't interest me), but while I certainly agree that compared to Mass Effect 2 the final act of 3 was horribly done, I still had tons of fun with the game and I'm one of those wacky, crazy people who didn't hate the ending.

As for The Old Republic? Well... they've been forced to have to bribe their own player base just to switch or stay in select servers, in a struggle to keep said servers from turning into an entire ghost town. That game has plenty of issues.
I can't really comment on this either, as I've never played it, but I do know that many of my guildies from WoW who went to TOR have since returned to WoW.