He just has that face that makes you think "rich wanker" and instantly disregard everything he says.
EA Founder: App Stores Are Too Crowded
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I just love how the mention of EA no matter how irreverent causes people to ignore everything in favor of EA bashing.
OT:well over saturation is going to be a problem when you don't have any standards , just look at the xbox live indie section sure there are good games in there but good luck finding them between all the crap. The problem is how do you go about fixing it , publishers no thank you that's the last thing small devs need
OT:well over saturation is going to be a problem when you don't have any standards , just look at the xbox live indie section sure there are good games in there but good luck finding them between all the crap. The problem is how do you go about fixing it , publishers no thank you that's the last thing small devs need
This isn't EA though: This is the guy that made EA back when it was a good company.DustyDrB said:
This isn't EA talking: this is the Founder of EA.Thaliur said:
And the gist of the subject is "Publishers are needed to alleviate the problems of Sturgeon's Law"
Actually, it's still super-relevant.DVS BSTrD said:
Is that Dr Cox from Scrubs having a good day?
OT: Good thing about a centralised download store is that without marketing the playing field is levelled. Word of mouth or recomendations by friends/respected other persons are the main driving force behind sales, as opposed to whos put the biggest, flashiest advert in the middle of Coronation Street.
Of course, once they've become popular then comes the marketing. For further information see the Angry Birds Store.
OT: Good thing about a centralised download store is that without marketing the playing field is levelled. Word of mouth or recomendations by friends/respected other persons are the main driving force behind sales, as opposed to whos put the biggest, flashiest advert in the middle of Coronation Street.
Of course, once they've become popular then comes the marketing. For further information see the Angry Birds Store.
Indeed, though it kinda fits with his complaint anyway. XDDVS BSTrD said:
It's even better, since I was recently browsing Android apps and they have multiple versions of so many games on there.Thaliur said:
Not to mention the timeliness of this complaint, given the recent plans to "Drop" Rock Band IOS.
And a current board member of EA, as far as I can tell. So it's kind of relevant here.Thaliur said:
It's ridiculous to think that the context of this means it can somehow be discussed without EA being brought up. You know, the context of the board member of a publisher who is adding to the discovery problem he's claiming will be solved by publisher programs?theonecookie said:
Hell, just the fact that the company he founded is adding to the problem he claims publishers should/could/will solve is issue enough.
So, I've seen more than few comments in this thread about EA. This has nothing to do with EA, this guy hasn't been with EA for years.DustyDrB said:
Like, if you want to hate them, that's fine, but lets not try so damn hard to do it, yeah?
While he is partially right, I don't think for a second that companies like EA are the answer. It's publishers like them that have stagnated the whole gaming market. It's hard to be noticed in a sea of similar products. Maybe even impossible, but c'mon, you think EA or Activision or any of them are the answer, that is just stupid. I'm not saying I have the answer, but no... just no.
Publisher stranglehold is one of the reasons people started turning to apps, anyway. Not saying it's the sole reason; everyone wants a slice of that Angry Birds pie, for example, and some games really should be low-cost apps rather than big games.Baresark said:
I think it's easy to forget this context.
Looking through app stores is a nightmare when there are SO DAMN MANY options. They need to enforce and require rich descriptions and screenshots for developers, and overhaul the app stores for users, so you can search without being overwhelmed. That wouldn't require publishers, just more common sense and foresight.
while he's right about the app stores being flooded.
he's wrong about anybody needing a publisher, even the studio's like Bioware(sub Bioware with another that is successful if you so choose), don't need a publisher, they could probably sell they're games directly and be better off for it
he's wrong about anybody needing a publisher, even the studio's like Bioware(sub Bioware with another that is successful if you so choose), don't need a publisher, they could probably sell they're games directly and be better off for it
This article has generated an interesting blend of reactionary knee-jerk hatred for EA, and calmly measured arguments from people who actually know what they're talking about. It's amusing.
But he's right. The apps market really is crowded and obtuse. I generally don't ever find anything worth taking a risk on or knowing if its worthwhile at all unless a news or blog site highlights it, because the "user" reviews for new app products are often as useless as the method of finding them in the first place. I'm honestly baffled by the App Store on iOS. Either there's a legion of robot reviewers praising everything under the sun, or people are, as a whole, horrifyingly stupid.
But he's right. The apps market really is crowded and obtuse. I generally don't ever find anything worth taking a risk on or knowing if its worthwhile at all unless a news or blog site highlights it, because the "user" reviews for new app products are often as useless as the method of finding them in the first place. I'm honestly baffled by the App Store on iOS. Either there's a legion of robot reviewers praising everything under the sun, or people are, as a whole, horrifyingly stupid.
With today's social networks, an application can sell itself via word of mouth. Publishers are currently just a middleman who's about to become obsolete.
I never bought a game because some annoying ad or promotional campaign told me to. It was always either that friends told me about it, I watched a review of it, or I stumbled upon it on Steam.
I never bought a game because some annoying ad or promotional campaign told me to. It was always either that friends told me about it, I watched a review of it, or I stumbled upon it on Steam.
That is an excellent point and you are completely correct. It's because it was the only outlet for creative people who don't get the time of day from people like EA. Also, as you said, the Angry Birds pie is always enticing. Also, this is almost the same argument that Microsoft used when they were pushing their XBLIG (their indie side of publishing). They would offer these devs front page billing for their games if they signed an exclusive contract with them and then wouldn't come through in the end. All I have to say about that is every new release on Steam gets front page billing. Sure there is competition for it in the sense that at times there are a lot of things coming out, but reload the front page and you get new things shuffled your way.Zachary Amaranth said:
"Trip Hawkins reckons developers need publishers to promote their products on digital distribution platforms."
Translation:
"Trip Hawkins wants young and upcoming developers to sell their souls to EA so EA execs can buy more yachts."
Translation:
"Trip Hawkins wants young and upcoming developers to sell their souls to EA so EA execs can buy more yachts."