Ebola Cannot Be Halted or Slowed Any Time Soon, Says New Study

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Don Incognito said:
That is all perfectly true.

However, it is not particularly likely to spread in any nation with a functional public health system.
chiefohara said:
Ebola takes from 2 days to 2 weeks to show infection but because its not airborne the majority of people will be okay. Unless you are sleeping with someone who has it, or someone who has it sneezed in your face you'll be fine. Its passed on through touch and liquid. You could have been sharing a daily bus with an ebola victim for the last month and you will be fine.

This bastard virus is going to devastate africa, but its not going to kill the world.
Folks, there are confirmed cases in the US. At least two, last I heard, were nurses who treated an infected patient. So assuming these nurses followed procedures and had no skin on skin contact with a patient infected with an unknown illness how did they get infected? There is the very real possibility this strain could be airborne, or at the very least survive in aerosolized body fluids long enough to mimic airborne transmissions. The CDC has confirmed that several infected people had flown not only from Africa but within the US as well. And the CDC is refusing to institute a pandemic level quarantine on those arriving from hotspots as well as Obama sending 5,000 troops to "help". These aren't doctors or nurses or bio-chemical warfare specialists. These are 5,000 men and women we are going to unnecessarily expose to this pathogen and then bring home. It is going to spread, and we will only have our governments to blame.
 

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Well hell. I was gonna spend the next few days making excessive physical contact with various bodily fluids of strangers but now I guess I'll just have to stay home.
 

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Sarge034 said:
Don Incognito said:
That is all perfectly true.

However, it is not particularly likely to spread in any nation with a functional public health system.
chiefohara said:
Ebola takes from 2 days to 2 weeks to show infection but because its not airborne the majority of people will be okay. Unless you are sleeping with someone who has it, or someone who has it sneezed in your face you'll be fine. Its passed on through touch and liquid. You could have been sharing a daily bus with an ebola victim for the last month and you will be fine.

This bastard virus is going to devastate africa, but its not going to kill the world.
Folks, there are confirmed cases in the US. At least two, last I heard, were nurses who treated an infected patient. So assuming these nurses followed procedures and had no skin on skin contact with a patient infected with an unknown illness how did they get infected? There is the very real possibility this strain could be airborne, or at the very least survive in aerosolized body fluids long enough to mimic airborne transmissions. The CDC has confirmed that several infected people had flown not only from Africa but within the US as well. And the CDC is refusing to institute a pandemic level quarantine on those arriving from hotspots as well as Obama sending 5,000 troops to "help". These aren't doctors or nurses or bio-chemical warfare specialists. These are 5,000 men and women we are going to unnecessarily expose to this pathogen and then bring home. It is going to spread, and we will only have our governments to blame.
You, uh... you realize they admitted that the nurses became infected due to a breach in protocol, right? That was the problem. They didn't follow procedure.

That being said, the sending troops thing is really stupid to me, too, since I fail to see how they'll lend any aid other than protection from those who think ebola is black magic being spread by doctors. However, preeetty sure they'd at least watch those soldiers for signs of infection when they return.
 

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including the development of a vaccine
A vaccine is not mentioned anywhere in the journal piece.
I think you mean novel pharmaceuticals which were mentiond. They are not vaccines, they reduce symptoms increasing the chances of survival. They do almost nothing to kurb infection with the exception of less exposure to helthcare and funeral workers.
 

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See this here Ebola? This is what happens when we let stupid people exist. What we should be doing is getting rid of them...by educating and informing the countries more susceptible that this shit happens because you don't know what you are doing and show them how to do it correctly. But on the other hand, there are situations like donkey abuse in countries where they can't even put two and two together and realise they keep dying and suffering because you overwork and treat them like shit so... perhaps the mildly ignorant can be helped, the fucking retarded can be just kept in a bowl or something.
 

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lacktheknack said:
It's still only transmitted via bodily fluids after symptoms have started, though, right?

So while this is terrifying for the African countries where ebola has a foothold, it's not going to effectively spread in countries where we quarantine sick people.

Still, utterly tragic. :(
This.

To address things other people have said, the point of this story isn't alarmism. The world is probably safe. You, dear reader, are probably safe. The article links, at the end, to another article explaining why you're probably safe, and that there's no need for alarm. HOWEVER, just because it isn't happening to us in the first world does not mean it is not newsworthy. It is tragic that something that could have easily been contained will potentially results in hundreds of thousands of infections because West Africa does not have the resources, infrastructure, or political stability to handle this on its own.

To those questioning the maths... Sigh. They didn't just say, "hey, it doubles every month, so by that logic..." It's really not that simple. I encourage questioning their math - but you have to question it with something a little more robust than that. Check out the source article for more insight into their process, but they checked their model against historical Ebola outbreaks, and it was solid.
 

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Considering that this is from a study where they compile a bunch of research from outside sources and make a educated guess ... I still wouldn't panic. Panic drives people mad and causes more harm. Of which, the media has done a great job of doing. I do believe that the numbers of which they're giving us could be false and are far worse, but it is kinda hard to hide anything like this these days.

Also, if the any strain was airborne the numbers of infected would be gigantic. It's just the fact that our nurses are not prepared for this sort of virus. Flu season is coming and if anyone is sick should stay the fuck home. I don't know how many times I've seen idiots go out shopping while sick and coughing everywhere. Those are the people that will spread it.
 

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Alright, I think that's my bit down for the evening. Wake me up when the Daily Mail gives us another item that may cause cancer. I am hoping for pens this time.
Oh God.

OH GOD.

CANCER CAUSES CANCER! AAAARRRRGGGH! DAMN YOU, DAILY MAIL!

Heh. I'm Canadian and even I know how shit that tabloid happens to be. :D All jokes aside, though, I do hope we at least manage to keep the infected circumscribed. 'Till then, I think the safest thing to do might be to wash your hands if you're involved in the health sector or work with someone who has connections there.

Wash those hands, take those vitamins and crank up that immune system as much as possible, people. That means going out there and getting some fresh air, nevermind how we're being bombarded with early Flu Season ads and late-season Hay Fever nonsense.

Oh, and go to bed at decent hours. Your body needs the sunlight to ward off depression, too. That's the hardest part for me to keep up with. :(
 

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That's it, people. Time to move to Madagascar. The last safe place on earth. Assuming they haven't shutdown the port already, that is.

"Road less traveled" indeed, captcha.
 

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How do you create panic in a crowded US movie theater? Yell "EBOLA!!!".

Seriously though I am quite tired of all the scare mongering in the media, first ISIS and now Ebola. What's next ISIS Ebola terrorist attacks?

About the 2 nurses, did they not get training on how to not catch whatever the patient has? It is a great time for refresher courses and making sure everyone follows procedure. Then instead of scare tactics in the media they could explain those procedures and why they prevent the spread of the virus.
 

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My god can we please stop making threads about the same damn thing over and over again? Everyone is just repeating their opinions every single time. There is no discussion going on.

Also, stop getting riled up by sensationalist media. The ebola outbread in africa is bad because the people thing ebola is a government conspiracy and break their friends and relatives out of containment areas. It will NOT do the same thing in any country with a decent healthcare system. Some people will contract it, some people will die from it. This is not the apocalypse. You're all watching too many zombie shows and movies.
 

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The scary thing for me is that the lab I work at is prepared now to test for Ebola. Meaning we're the only lab in Australia (as far as I'm aware) that can test for the virus. This means that every suspected case that pops up here will be sent to us. I heard a nurse returned to Australia and was infectious while on board a flight with 132 passengers and that our government is desperately scrambling to find and quarantine those people as soon as possible.

Hell, Australia only has 5 virus isolation pods and there's a suspected 132 possible Ebola cases wandering around our country. We are not adequately prepared for an outbreak.

And I'm aware that the period of infectiousness is small and that it is only transmitted via bodily fluids so I'm not freaking out here or intending to freak anyone out. Just saying to take care and be prepared, outbreaks can happen, even in first world countries.
 

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I'm honestly surprised by their conclusion. I was pretty sure it would burn itself out, like it always has. But this strain appears to be less deadly than others and thus has a higher potential for infection, I suppose. We'll see. Assuming the CDC and equivalents stop messing up for a few minutes, I still fully expect this epidemic to remain limited to West Africa (apart from the few infections that occurred due to lacking safety precautions inside Western hospitals, of course; no epidemic in Western countries, is what I mean). No need to panic for us Westerners just yet, so don't listen to the Fox Newses of the world. But I can certainly believe that it'll keep getting worse for the people on location. Nigeria seems to be doing okay, though, cutting the spread off at the root. Let's hope that at least the other countries at risk can do the same so this doesn't grow bigger.
 

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JET1971 said:
Seriously though I am quite tired of all the scare mongering in the media, first ISIS and now Ebola. What's next ISIS Ebola terrorist attacks?
Dalisclock said:
DON'T! GIVE! FOX! NEWS! IDEAS!
Actually... the UK version of Fox News has that covered.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786433/Could-Ebola-used-weapon-ISIS-Terror-experts-raise-prospect-jihadists-infecting-spreading-virus-Western-countries.html

Those "experts", man. They apparently know their stuff... about bullshitting.
 

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All aboard the panic train.

For starters, well, how about, close the frigging public airports so it does not fly to other countries? i mean yes its uncontrollable because were not even attempting to control it.

then again, we got a little over 9000 sick, when a single country may have as much population as whole US, making it an extremely small portion of people.

Sarge034 said:
Folks, there are confirmed cases in the US. At least two, last I heard, were nurses who treated an infected patient. So assuming these nurses followed procedures and had no skin on skin contact with a patient infected with an unknown illness how did they get infected?
I can speak for those nurses but i have experience first hand how doctors treat contagious illnesses here in eastern europe. lets just say the precautions leave much to be desired.
 

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VanQ said:
The scary thing for me is that the lab I work at is prepared now to test for Ebola. Meaning we're the only lab in Australia (as far as I'm aware) that can test for the virus. This means that every suspected case that pops up here will be sent to us. I heard a nurse returned to Australia and was infectious while on board a flight with 132 passengers and that our government is desperately scrambling to find and quarantine those people as soon as possible.

Hell, Australia only has 5 virus isolation pods and there's a suspected 132 possible Ebola cases wandering around our country. We are not adequately prepared for an outbreak.

And I'm aware that the period of infectiousness is small and that it is only transmitted via bodily fluids so I'm not freaking out here or intending to freak anyone out. Just saying to take care and be prepared, outbreaks can happen, even in first world countries.
I don't know which lab you're working at, but the Australian nurse was released after two negative Ebola tests. [https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25242279/cairns-ebola-scare-second-negative-test-for-nurse-sue-ellen-kovack-in-far-north-queensland/]
 

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I am surprised that after all this time, the numerous (but isolated cases in first world countries) hasn't caused the world's leaders to stand up and say "To hell with this, we are throwing all the money at this and won't stop until there is a cure!"