Eidos Employee Fired Over "Hate Speech" on Facebook
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French Quebecer or Anglophone? I just think it's a disaster waiting to happen. The Separatists are pissed off about shit that happened a couple centuries ago. They need to get over it, like the rest of the province.Talvrae said:
He should have quit while he was ahead. If he had made only his first comment, he could have at least argued that he was just making a joke, but then he had to go and take it that one step further. Heck, it wasn't even a step, more like a leap... with a running start.
And what point are you making?Chiave said:
Is it that anyone who spouts hate speech of any kind shouldn't fear reprisal of any kind? Because in Canada there are exceptions to the right of free speech when it comes to inciting hatred, so from a constitutional point he's potentially culpable.
Is it that the constitutional right to freedom of speech, including hateful speech, should apply to every statement made regardless of context and the place where it was made? Because in Canada the Charter of Rights and Freedoms sets out the right to freedom of speech subject to reasonable limits of the law. ie. Since this was against the law (see above re. Inciting hatred) then the right to freedom of speech doesn't apply to him.
Or is it simply that free speech and hate speech etymologically are comparable in that they both refer to expressing ones innermost thoughts? Because while that certainly does make the nature of the two separate entities clearer (analogous doesn't mean exactly the same by the way, just FYI. The word I think you were after is synonymous) it doesn't mean that hate speech is free speech or vice versa. In the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Constitution of the United States and the laws of the United Kingdom all include exceptions for hate speech. (there are other countries with laws that don't grant total freedom of speech, in fact most of them, but I won't go on.)
In fact, the UK doesn't actually have an explicit right to freedom of speech, instead it has a whole bunch of laws which prohibit what you can say. It's called Negative Right.
So constitutionally he wasn't protected under either Canadian or US Basic Rights and Freedoms. Legally he wasn't protected by Canadian or US law, and morally supporting an assassination is, at least in my opinion, highly questionable and somewhat crass.
When I saw the first few lines, I thought, "Oh, probably just some guy saying 'Grrrr I hate this person, wouldn't be too miffed if she had an accident.'" but it really changes things when there has already been an attempt on her life in which somebody died and he's outright saying she should die.
I just went through HR orientation for my new job. My company's policy is don't say anything that could negatively reflect the company on social media(publicly), but they also warned us to lock it up so it not is not public if we think there may be a concern.
I don't get why you guys are afraid of Quebec becoming a country. It won't happen. Ever. There are just too much different cultures in the province to think that a referendum could ever be successful. Personnaly, I couldn't care less about this bs.
On the other hand, I voted PQ, but it's only because Jean Charest and his party made a piss poor job during their 10 years of power, and this year events just shows how much they fucked up.
Now, I completly agree with Eidos's decision. This was a stupid and inconsiderate comment to make right after an event of this nature.
On the other hand, I voted PQ, but it's only because Jean Charest and his party made a piss poor job during their 10 years of power, and this year events just shows how much they fucked up.
Now, I completly agree with Eidos's decision. This was a stupid and inconsiderate comment to make right after an event of this nature.
U.S. resident here, so I'm a little in the dark about this whole thing. I haven't seen anything about this shooting on the news, but it sounds like a big deal. Did this just happen today, or a few days ago?
Anyway, can't believe that guy posted that. Not because he was dumb and didn't think it would get him fired, but just the open threat itself. An innocent person was killed and he doesn't even care. That's disturbing to me. Hopefully they do file charges and lock him away.
Anyway, can't believe that guy posted that. Not because he was dumb and didn't think it would get him fired, but just the open threat itself. An innocent person was killed and he doesn't even care. That's disturbing to me. Hopefully they do file charges and lock him away.
Well that has less to do with the laws themselves and more to do with those who's job it is to interpret and enforce the laws.Myrmecodon said:
Hate speech and threats =/= free speech.Chiave said:
It hurts people and incites hatred and violence, not to mention really frightens some people.
If he had just said some trash about her, it wouldn't likely have been a problem.
Implying that she should be killed comes off as offensive and threatening to some people.
OT: Really? WOW! Something someone posted on the Internet can be found by other people? Including your boss?!! What a revelation! Maybe I should use some common sense about what I say online.
You're almost right. Almost. Apart from our health system, our infrastructure isn't so bad. Corruption is the order of the day pretty much everywhere else, and Canada hasn't really done much to help us dam the influx of mafiosi into the close circles of government officials. With or without the RCMP, that won't really change.FallenTraveler said:
As for the Maritimes, you've also got decent hydroelectric capital. Why not invest in it?
Oh, and if it's the ideology that bothers you, let's be realistic. The PQ won't be able to push for a referendum anytime soon. Why? Because it won by a minority, with the Liberals and the CAQ riding on its coattails. Bringing up the question of independence in a climate like that would be tantamount to political suicide.
This is coming from a guy who's been born and raised in a seriously pro-separation family. Our generation doesn't give a fuck, and the local student body tried to host "anti-election parties", last week. My age range hasn't been quite as indifferent as it usually is, but it's pretty clear that anyone between 25 and 35 doesn't really have any point of reference with any of the major parties - the PQ included.
So, honestly? Don't "fucking hate" us. That's insulting, for starters, and we're seriously not worth it. French is undergoing a landslide as the primarily spoken language in Montreal's metropolitan area, and most guys my age speak English fluently enough. I'm just sick and tired of hearing Anglophones shake in their boots as soon as someone from the PQ steps up - as if having some sort of sense of identity to protect was akin to having a vial of the Bubonic Plague to spread around.
We're not going to kick anyone out of the province for not speaking French. Point in fact, separating would allow us to prove just how unique Quebec is, with its myriad of cultures all intersecting in such a tight population basin.
I honestly doubt it'll ever happen - the conditions for it were way back in the mid-to-late sixties - but I was still raised by folks who thought it would do us a world of good.
We have enough shit to fix as it is; like the Liberals' utterly corrupt approach to governance, and the whole tuition fees kerfuffle. I haven't been able to set a foot in class for six months, I'd much rather take of that than foster ideals that, while noble, aren't as plausible as they could have been.
It's not like he tried to kill her or even threatened her. He just let people know that he would like her to die. Is simply wanting her to die (and not doing anything about it), justifies firing him from his job and arresting him? Extremism is bad from both sides.