Eidos Employee Fired Over "Hate Speech" on Facebook
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He deserved it.
I think people see the "hate speech" part of the headline and think it's another case of people overreacting, but that's not true.
A completely innocent man died because someone tried to kill a politician, and yet all this retard can think about is that it's a shame she's still not dead? That's a disgrace. Fucking politics, it turns people into idiots. I mean that politician is still a real person, who has a family and FOUR CHILDREN. If you disagree with her then campaign against her and defeat her politically, don't fucking try to assassinate her.
Another thing is that so many fucking people fail to understand how facebook works. It is not private. You can pick and choose your friends and heighten your privacy settings, but even then it's never fully private. You wouldn't stand in front of your boss and say "that person needs to fucking die", because you'd be fired on the spot. Same goes for when you post something on facebook with your fucking name attached to it.
I think people see the "hate speech" part of the headline and think it's another case of people overreacting, but that's not true.
A completely innocent man died because someone tried to kill a politician, and yet all this retard can think about is that it's a shame she's still not dead? That's a disgrace. Fucking politics, it turns people into idiots. I mean that politician is still a real person, who has a family and FOUR CHILDREN. If you disagree with her then campaign against her and defeat her politically, don't fucking try to assassinate her.
Another thing is that so many fucking people fail to understand how facebook works. It is not private. You can pick and choose your friends and heighten your privacy settings, but even then it's never fully private. You wouldn't stand in front of your boss and say "that person needs to fucking die", because you'd be fired on the spot. Same goes for when you post something on facebook with your fucking name attached to it.
Chiave said:
Your freedoms are fine till they infringe upon someone else's health and safety.
Just saying.
Super-appropriate avatar.Soviet Heavy said:
People say they wish various public official were dead every day here in the states and they're not carted off by the feds. They just get put on a list and are spied on for the rest of their lives. Crazy people who really are planning to knock off a public official don't go spreading the word on facebook. Angry people looking to vent steam into the proverbial ether, however, do.McMullen said:
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This
The fact is the we have a lot of governmental companies worth more than the debts the other parties are trying to scare people with. Our debt isn't that high when you know that selling Hydro Québec alone would cover it all... if we really were in deep shit.
But a referendum would never pass atm. People are too scared about the incertitude it would bring and Pauline Marois is miles away to have the charisma necessary for this. (Interesting fact about the referendum with René Lesvesque: commercials accords where already in place with other countries assuring Québec economic stability if we would have became independant.)
And we are different than the rest of Canada. Just look at the federal elections where the NPD won almost every seat in Québec while remaining the same in Canada. We indeed are more left-incline and progressives than the other provinces.
We are not separatingrbstewart7263 said:
On why some us want to separate from Canada? Well here are a few of theyr reasons
1) To protect the french langage within our borders
2) To have sovereinety over our ressources
3) For control over our immigration
4) They belive we lost money in transfert to the federal (it's wrong we actually get more from the federal than what we send there but go arguing with them on that good luck)
5) To protect our culture
6) To get a seat at the UN (like if that did anything)
Except he shouldn't be. Nor should he be under investigation for making a threat. He did no such thing.Fappy said:
Nor did, if I understand correctly, he say this in any official capacity, or on a company account. Now, not having seen his account, he may in fact have plastered his facebook with reference to the fact that he worked for the company, and THEN he might deserve to be fired. But he still didn't threaten anyone
The truth is, your employer has no right to your internet activity, unless said activity happens on the job. If you use company resources to log on to facebook and rant about how much they suck, then yes, that's something to be fired over.
However, they should not be allowed to police your thoughts or actions on your own time. And as much I need a job, were I informed my employment was conditional upon access to my internet accounts, I would refuse.
Now, not knowing the political situation in canada, I won't presume to say whether or not this man is JUSTIFIED in his offensive behavior, but he shouldn't be in this much trouble either way
To consider Hydro-Québec like this we would have to be able to sell it... wich will never happen... Hydro-Québec can,t be used to cover the debt becasue it can,t be soldDi-Dorval said:
Does we send more money to Otawa than we get back the answer is no, we actually get more with the perequations and the services Otawa spend in québec, look back at your numbers
And on NPD victory... you realise the only reason why Québec city area voted NPD was to punish the coservator to not have delivered on the coliseum and not on ideological disagrement? And that the beauce area still have voted for the conservative party? Québec is not a Lefties monolitic block
I WAS going too call them out on that, but Now I do not need too. Thank you, Mr. Tea, are a mind-reader and a decent person.Mr.Tea said:
OT: If you threaten or advocate the assassination of another person, then it is illegal. The KKK tried to claim "Free-Speach" when they were talking about killing *censored (first word F, sencond word N*. Do they have the freedom to threaten anyone who is Catholic, Black, Irish, or supports equallity for all? NO!!
I do not like President X. but if I threaten too kill Pres. X, then the Secret Service would be busting down my door, and I would be meeting a guy, in prison, for some cuddling.
Threats are not covered under Free Speech.
@Talvrae @Di-Dorval -
I just gotta say, I never thought I'd see the day where I'd bump into another francophone Quebec native. I do speak French, it's just that, uh, with this being The Escapist, I feel like doing that would weird out about 99% of the other forum members.
Feel free to PM me in French, though, if that's more up your alley. It'll be a welcome change of pace.
I just gotta say, I never thought I'd see the day where I'd bump into another francophone Quebec native. I do speak French, it's just that, uh, with this being The Escapist, I feel like doing that would weird out about 99% of the other forum members.
Feel free to PM me in French, though, if that's more up your alley. It'll be a welcome change of pace.
As far as being fired, yeah, I would fire that jackass too.
As far as the law is concerned, I don't think that what he said should necessarily be illegal, since I highly doubt that he is an actual threat and is not making any threats in his statement.
Still, people need to realize that you need to be careful when choosing your words, and not say things like "i give this ***** a month" and "do what must be done." If he does end up being arrested, I will understand how it COULD be argued to be a threat, even if I think it was just a guy being retarded.
As far as the law is concerned, I don't think that what he said should necessarily be illegal, since I highly doubt that he is an actual threat and is not making any threats in his statement.
Still, people need to realize that you need to be careful when choosing your words, and not say things like "i give this ***** a month" and "do what must be done." If he does end up being arrested, I will understand how it COULD be argued to be a threat, even if I think it was just a guy being retarded.
I don't think this employee deserved to have this happen to him. I mean all he did was say he thinks that somebody should die. He never made a threat on her life or did anything to directly try and harm her.
Gilhelmi said:
Nice job not reading the freaking article. He's being investigated and may have charges put against him despite not threatening anyone. The two quoted posters asking about free speech did not clarify whether they were talking about him being fired or him being investigated, but you guys are assuming that they were only talking about being fired.Mr.Tea said:
The second of the two quoted posters EVEN SAID THAT HE WAS FIRED FOR A LEGITIMATE REASON. Here, let me repost it for you both since you clearly didn't even read what he said:
Jumping to conclusions (and not reading, in respect to what you did to FallenTraveler's post): Stop doing it.FallenTraveler said:
Just like someone said before me: a thousand times this.IamLEAM1983 said:
'Sides, its not like the only goal they have right now is separation. Hell, I don't even think they have a plan for it right now. Quebec as waaaay too much crap to deal with before even thinking about it. And even if they are thinking about it, its just another referendum waiting to fail, no need to go all apeshit on the PQ. >_>
Generally, I don't like it when people are fired for "hate speech". There seems to be this belief that workers are representing their companies at all times, even though this clearly isn't true and no one gives a damn what some low-level employee does or says on his own time. In this case, however, I support the company position. There's a large difference between being insensitive or advocating controversial policies and openly calling for the assassination of a public figure, so you have to wonder about his sanity a little.
This. Posting a comment or a Wall status about Jersey Shore being cancelled and calling those who watched and enjoyed it morons is kind of a dick move - but it's still defensible to a degree. Calling for the murder of a government official? Even in jest or in some weird outburst like we've all had online?Heaven said:
No. Obviously not. Fuck, no. You can hate your boss all you want, just don't Tweet about murder fantasies if your account isn't private or if your boss can see your private posts. It's called watching your six, and it's something a lot of folks just can't seem to grasp, online.
I never said that he SHOULD have been fired, but he should know by now that people get fired for this kind of thing regardless as to whether it is right or wrong. The investigation part is uncalled for with the information provided with the article. I agree that your employer does not have the right to your private internet activity, but this was obviously public enough to warrant many people emailing his employer with complaints. That can be damaging to a company's imagine and they were simply acting out of self-preservation. Most other corporation would do the same thing in their situation.8-Bit_Jack said:
Okay, I'm American, and WHY HAVE I NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THE NEWS ABOUT A FREAKING ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON A POLITICIAN'S LIFE?
Jumping on the Moderate bandwagon and throwing my support to this post. As the horrifying bastard child of a Quebecois Seperatist and an Anglo Quebecker I've seen the separation debate from all sides. I can honestly say that is more the preoccupation of an older generation who had legitimate concerns about the future of their culture. Quebec has changed radically in the past half century though and with a world that is generally trying to break down borders rather than raise new ones the separation project isn't one I can see myself supporting.IamLEAM1983 said:
OT: I'd be the last person to support Pauline Marois. I find her arrogant(to be fair most politicians are but still) and generally disagree with a lot of her policies. So I voted against her and picked a party that more closely reflected the direction i think the project should go. Thats it, thats how we voice our discontent in a civil society. Sure telling people you think such and such a politician is the wrong choice is fine, but the radical polarizing I've been seeing all over world politics is starting to get me worried. What happened to grudgingly respecting those you disagreed with?
This is kind of shit. I'm guessing his facebook is primarily to contact his friends outside the company like most people. In which case, he wasnt representing his company to any extent.