Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Houseman

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Time and again Federal Agencies - including the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the Department of Justice and its Election Crimes Branch have said that there is no evidence of the level of fraud Trump et al allege.
They meant security from a "foreign hackers" perspective, not a "fraud" perspective, as he himself says.
 

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They meant security from a "foreign hackers" perspective, not a "fraud" perspective, as he himself says.
You know what else "raises a lot of issues and questions"? A toddler who just learned the question "why?". Similarly, just because the toddler believes their repeated "why?" questions demand "investigation and answers" doesn't actually mean they do; sometimes the best way to deal with a temper-tantrum is just to ignore it.
 

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PrEscribed. D'you want to address the point?
I think my responses to others in that and other posts mostly have it covered. Additionally, I'm not letting your debate with Houseman bleed into my comments, I have no interest in overturning the election results.
I also think as a general matter of principle that it should be the responsibility of a democratic state to facilitate its citizens' votes counting rather than impede them.
You're entire country has the same mail-in vote rules PA had before the court stepped in. Come on, man!
Let's be clear, the Republicans have a trust deficit when it comes to enabling voting.
A manufactured trust deficit planted by political opponents trying to pretend Republicans are responsible for the actions of dead Democrats.
What's really interesting is the state of Arizona. That state supposedly already has a long history of mail in voting and so Trump casting suspicions about it wouldn't be effective. And in this state were Republicans weren't trained to distrust mail in ballots they actually favored Trump. It were the mail in ballots that were counted later which nearly cost Biden the state.
I mean, if you want to consider the broad concept of advantage and disadvantage, I don't think mail-in ballots offer either side a particular advantage in a general sense. Like, if mail-in ballots weren't an option, I have no doubt most of those people would have voted in person, and vice versa. That certain political groups preferred different voting methods does not necessarily indicate that the results would change based on the availability of those voting methods. You could get rid of mail-in voting and reach the same result, just with a bunch of extra annoyed voters.
What event has mail be the only means of registering for it?
Not this one!
 

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Are we pretending the former head of cybersecurity's statements being relevant to cybersecurity is some kind of gottem moment????
 

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I mean, if you want to consider the broad concept of advantage and disadvantage, I don't think mail-in ballots offer either side a particular advantage in a general sense. Like, if mail-in ballots weren't an option, I have no doubt most of those people would have voted in person, and vice versa.
No. Many would have stayed home. Perhaps not gigantic amounts but perhaps enough to make a difference in the traditionally slim margins of the battleground states.

And I think its always been that what Trump was banking on during his crusade against mail in ballots. If he succeeded then Biden would have gotten less votes and if it didn't succeed he could scream how there was fraud.
 

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Are we pretending the former head of cybersecurity's statements being relevant to cybersecurity is some kind of gottem moment????
No, people were pretending the cybersecurity guy's remarks were directed towards fraud, as opposed to foreign hacking.
 

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Basically Immigrant communities(Asian, and Hispanic) that voted for Biden also voted more for Trump this time compared with last time

I suspect this is due to

1. Biden's shutdown threat ( Like many Americans)

2. Defund the Police/BLM (Less police could mean less order)

3. High Taxes??? (Lots of us are small business owners, not my family tho)

4. Recent Immigrant hate( I arrived legally, Stockholm syndrome, etc.)

5. Class Warfare(The socialists are coming)

6. Anti-African American sentiments( This does exist)

7. Cuba, China Foreign Policy which under Biden's more dove-like policy(Ex. Japanese, Vietnamese, Indians don't like China, Cuban & Venezuela don't like socialism & Castro + Maduro, some immigrant Chinese don't like Xi)
 

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You're entire country has the same mail-in vote rules PA had before the court stepped in. Come on, man!
And if my country ever faces the threat of the postal service suffering significant degradation in the lead up to an election, I will support some additional liberty on the arrival of postal ballots.

Honestly, I actually think as a matter of practice the last day for sending postal ballots should be the day of the election anyway.
 

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No. Many would have stayed home. Perhaps not gigantic amounts but perhaps enough to make a difference in the traditionally slim margins of the battleground states.

And I think its always been that what Trump was banking on during his crusade against mail in ballots. If he succeeded then Biden would have gotten less votes and if it didn't succeed he could scream how there was fraud.
Wat?

You think that Donald Trump being against main in ballots would discourage Biden voters from voting at all? How does that logic?
 

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And if my country ever faces the threat of the postal service suffering significant degradation in the lead up to an election, I will support some additional liberty on the arrival of postal ballots.
There was never any significant degradation in the postal service's ability to deliver ballots on time. The problem the post office has right now is that it's over-prepared for carrying letter sized envelopes while demand for that is going down, and can't keep up with packages as demand for that is rising.

When people were freaking out about machines being taken apart, the answer then was "we're not using them, and we're overloaded with packages they cannot be used for", and wouldn't you know the election happened without a problem and now people shipping Christmas presents is delaying packages by weeks. If you had listened to the spokespeople form the post office instead of media conspiracies, you'd have understood the situation.
 

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Wat?

You think that Donald Trump being against main in ballots would discourage Biden voters from voting at all? How does that logic?
I say that Trump succeeding to prevent mail in voting from being utilized would have discouraged Biden voters. Because it would force them to risk exposing themselves to COVID.
 

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There was never any significant degradation in the postal service's ability to deliver ballots on time...
The problem you're ignoring here is that your chaos-creating president is running round spilling a narrative to cause havoc, because that's just what he does. He spends months attacking postal voting, and then dumps an ultra-donor in charge of USPS for a load of cuts in election year and pops onto TV claiming he doesn't like the idea of giving USPS money to deliver ballots.

You see where this all comes from? Your shitty president. If you want people to worry less, next time don't put a man in charge who revels in spreading disorder and anxiety.
 

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Also the people behind this: https://rumble.com/vbyvln-a-close-look-at-the-data-arizona.html
Are doing an AMA and they were asked the question "wouldn't the recounts reveal tampering?"
Their answer:


HERE'S HOW THE RECOUNTS WORK:
  1. The paper ballots are not recounted. They are recounting the ballot scanned images when doing a recount
  2. When a ballot is adjudicated, any choice on the ballot can be changed
  3. When a ballot is adjudicated, a NEW BALLOT SCANNED IMAGE is created
Therefore,

  1. When a recount is initiated, choices that have been adjudicated will add up exactly, even though they possibly changed from what how the vote was initially cast
 
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Nina Turner is running for Marcia Fudge's seat. It's near Cleveland Ohio.

 
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