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I think he’d be more palatable to people if he just talked about space and rockets.
I think he'd more more palatable if he never started doing and saying nazi shit. And he was already saying nazi shit before he officially aligned himself with Trump - when the general audience didn't even care that he was saying nazi shit. The fact that this audience is turning against him now shows how openly fucking facist he's presented himself in the last 4 months.

Also, maybe not accusing a man of being a pedophile because he saved a bunch of kids from a cave without waiting for your approval. Even before he went full nazi he was a fucking creep.
 

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elon doesn't do anything except own and extract profits from other people's labour: it's the people he underpays and forcefully blocks unionisation of that do the work, I am baffled how people avoid critical thinking and still don't get this really simple dynamic that can be seen anywhere in almost every workplace and even elon's cringe attempts to look like a gamer - he is just bobby kotick if bobby was super fragile insecure and obsessed with having to look cool to impress the channers (and tech investors who are easily fooled by hype and their own fears of missing out on ownership of "the next big thing" hitting off, unaware these tech bros have had no new/good ideas for years)

 
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Well, it was in the second link of this post.
Sorry, but that guy is not any more an SpaceX engineer than he is a pro gamer. He always liked to claim other peoples successes for himself.

Yes, he once had a bachelor level of understanding of physics. But that is not enough to contribute meaningfully to rocket design.



Now he did contribute to the success of SpaceX. By investing and, more importantly, by hyping it up and making it famous. Otherwise that startup might have ran out of money before succeeding.
 

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he is just bobby kotick if bobby was super fragile insecure and obsessed with having to look cool to impress the channers (and tech investors who are easily fooled by hype and their own fears of missing out on ownership of "the next big thing" hitting off, unaware these tech bros have had no new/good ideas for years)
I suppose it was a uh...virtue that Bobby at least was comfertable with who he is. No atempt to look cool or go ''Look how cool a gamer bro I am fellow gamers!''. Just a suit openly saying his goal was to take all the fun out of making games. Not that Bobby should get any points for that. Being cool in comparison to Elon is an intensely low bar.

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Ah yeah that guy. Pretty decent when talking about how the far right doesn't understand the media they pretend to like. Sadly also a bit of the ''If my brand of leftism doesn't win then the left and the rest of the world should just burn to the ground'' sort of guy.
 
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elon doesn't do anything except own and extract profits from other people's labour: it's the people he underpays and forcefully blocks unionisation of that do the work, I am baffled how people avoid critical thinking and still don't get this really simple dynamic that can be seen anywhere in almost every workplace and even elon's cringe attempts to look like a gamer - he is just bobby kotick if bobby was super fragile insecure and obsessed with having to look cool to impress the channers (and tech investors who are easily fooled by hype and their own fears of missing out on ownership of "the next big thing" hitting off, unaware these tech bros have had no new/good ideas for years)
This is of course an interesting point: What exactly does Elon Musk do?

Firstly, let's remember that he doesn't need to do anything. Each of his companies is full of staff: in principle, they should pretty much all be able to run themselves without his input. This is why despite being a corporate executive conventionally being a full time job, he's able to be a major executive at several, whilst also having a major side project screwing around with the US government and going on PR jaunts.

So, it's unlikely he's working much on any of them. Not only that, but it seems that his contribution to one of his firms thus far has been catastrophic (Twitter, although he has at least nominally handed over control to another CEO since), and another is currently undergoing a major wobble. Maybe they're better off without him?

His role, if anything, is as owner: to lay an increasingly threadbare reputation of genius across them to keep the investors peppy; plus that he probably owns so many of the shares (or at least, shares with voting rights) that he's impossible to remove.
 
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Sorry, but that guy is not any more an SpaceX engineer than he is a pro gamer. He always liked to claim other peoples successes for himself.

Yes, he once had a bachelor level of understanding of physics. But that is not enough to contribute meaningfully to rocket design.


Now he did contribute to the success of SpaceX. By investing and, more importantly, by hyping it up and making it famous. Otherwise that startup might have ran out of money before succeeding.

OTOH there’s this as well as some stuff in the comments that sums up a lot.

How he acts can be an easy target for ridicule and scorn, but it shouldn’t automatically take away from how he thinks in other respects.

“Well, I just had a lot of talks with the team about that today,” he said of the SN1 failure. “It’s what you might call the thrust puck—there’s an inverted cone where we mount the three sea-level engines. In fact, it’s drawn on that whiteboard over there.”

He walked up to the whiteboard and pointed to a frowning face. “This is my drawing,” he said with a smirk. Then, with a dry-erase marker in hand, Musk proceeded to lecture about rockets.

“There’s a sad face because we have an inverted cone,” he said. “It’s such a dumb design. It’s one of the dumbest things on the whole rocket because it’s heavy, expensive, and unreliable.”

Basically, the SN1 failure boiled down to bad welds in a weak section of Starship near the engine. When exposed to pressure, the welds burst.

Musk was not happy because he had not heard about this specific issue, in this section of Starship, before the test failure. Do you think Musk addressed that with his team? Yeah, he addressed that.

“We sent out a note to the team that this was badly designed, badly built, and badly checked,” he said. “That’s just a statement of fact. I met with the whole quality team, and I said, ‘Did you think that that thing was good?’ They said, ‘No.’ I told them that, in the future, you treat that rocket like it’s your baby, and you do not send it to the test site unless you think your baby’s going to be OK. They said that they did raise the concern to one of the engineers. But that engineer didn’t do anything.

‘OK,’ I said, ‘then you need to email me directly.’ Now they understand. If you email me directly, and if I buy off on the risk, then it’s OK. What’s not OK is they think that the weld is not good, they don’t tell me, they take it to the pad and blow it up. Now I have been clear. There’s plenty of forgiveness if you pass me the buck. There is no forgiveness if you don’t.”

 
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About how the tech oligarchs really seem to want the public to believe they are these STEM geniuses who could've totally done advanced theoretical physics, but just had a calling for making things and thus went into business, and can speak on all subjects with the authority of an expert. Musk features prominently obviously. Reminded of a docu from when Space X just started that unironically said Musk learned rocket science over a single weekend, which is bullshit of course, but this was when Musk was still hyped as irl Tony Stark and Musk of course did nothing to dispel this notion (quite the opposite).

Oddly, Bezos comes out best, probably because it did major in physics, only dropping off at quantum mechanics, and thus has an understanding of what actual science actually entails.
 
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OTOH there’s this as well as some stuff in the comments that sums up a lot.
So people he pays claiming that he totally does engineering work.

No, he does not actually have the knowledge to do so. Nor does he invest the time to be physically able to do any meaningful work. And that is for the better. The only thing we are relatively certain he had meaningful impact on was the Cybertruck.

I mean, i do have a PhD in physics and have a very good idea about what level of competence he acquired based on his CV.
 
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One could also pay attention when he actually speaks about his vision of Mars colonies. This stuff is pretty revealing when it comes to how much he understands of interplanetary travel or Mars, the challenges involved and possible solutions.

He very obviously is utterly clueless about space travel. He is like some starry eyed high school kid who finds this stuff really cool and thinks therefore it should be done.
 
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One could also pay attention when he actually speaks about his vision of Mars colonies. This stuff is pretty revealing when it comes to how much he understands of interplanetary travel or Mars, the challenges involved and possible solutions.

He very obviously is utterly clueless about space travel. He is like some starry eyed high school kid who finds this stuff really cool and thinks therefore it should be done.
Or he could be lying through his teeth because he knows that that sort of fantasy appeals to people. But yeah, total nonsense.
 
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Oddly, Bezos comes out best, probably because it did major in physics, only dropping off at quantum mechanics, and thus has an understanding of what actual science actually entails.
Yes, one can at least credit Bezos for getting a degree, and - as far as I can tell - actually doing something physics-y for about, er, a year or two after before junking it all in for a career in finance and management. However, I'd question whether Bezos really knows that much. Once you get beyond a degree in work or studies, you realise how primitive a degree really can be. It's both a really big step - way above high school level - and yet also trivial. It's not the real thing. It's more like the preparation just to get to the start line of the real thing, and then you need to spend years doing the real thing. And if you've really learnt your lesson doing the real thing, you should realise that everything you have learnt still leaves you as a tiny mote in a vast ocean of knowledge.

Physics is a bit like the science equivalent of philosophy in one respect: a lot of people seem to think that knowing philosophy makes them super-clever. Of course it does not, it's just poseurs pretending they have some special insight into the world. Some of these guys are awful poseurs. Musk almost certainly worst, but Zuckerberg not far behind.
 
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elon claims she's dead, to him or overall, while still intentionally doing what all kunts like him do while saying those things. validation is important for people with those kinds of parents
 
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So, as far as I can see, Musk has basically fobbed off FKA Twitter's debt/losses onto his other company. The technical valuation of $45 billion ($33 billion + $12 billion debt) - which is obviously a massive overvaluation - represents both a symbolic claim that FKA Twitter hasn't lost value, and I assume possibly is also important for the repayment of FKA Twitter's creditors with the right amount of xAI shares. He has effectively funded this by slapping a loss on xAI of, I estimate, around $20-30 billion. Were I an investor in xAI, I'm not sure I'd be very happy about that.

Of course, this is also the advantage of having investor-friendly companies with presumed growth, because it's much easier to just print a load of extra shares to buy stuff with, where mature firms have to rely much more on the boring, traditional methods of saving up or borrowing from the financial markets.
 
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So people he pays claiming that he totally does engineering work.

No, he does not actually have the knowledge to do so. Nor does he invest the time to be physically able to do any meaningful work. And that is for the better. The only thing we are relatively certain he had meaningful impact on was the Cybertruck.

I mean, i do have a PhD in physics and have a very good idea about what level of competence he acquired based on his CV.
I was jokingly thinking you’d say something like that. Regardless it’s clearly a pretty wide sampling of people.

Robert Zubrin, founder of the Mars Society: “When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. You have to crack some books.”


You don’t just pull some of this stuff out of your ass without knowing what you’re doing.


It’s more than obvious why that is lately.


Not worth it when his family has strong ties with Nazism and the Apartheid. Fuck the space travel when it ever involves him.

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He did bring back stranded astronauts when NASA couldn’t. Or wouldn’t. If this was done around a decade ago when much of the left thought he was cool we all know there would be much pomp and fanfare.

Regarding Nazis, so was Arnold’s dad, and however outspoken he’s been against it will never change that. The U.S. government treated NA’s about as badly as the Zionists have treated Palestinians but how many - including the most outspoken liberals in high places - still enjoy an incredibly comfortable lifestyle here with a conscience no worse for wear.

The Nazis invented things that are now in almost everything we use today, like polyurethane. In the 50’s NATO adopted a chemical they used as a pesticide to be produced as a chemical weapon by the USSR and U.S. Hitler of all people refused to use it against the Allies.

Point is, if we start funneling our worldview into only what fits neatly inside of a confirmation bias lens, then we’d ultimately have to give up a lot of that which and take for granted.
 
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It’s more than obvious why that is lately.
Yes, because he's a fascist moron, it's not that big a mystery.


Regarding Nazis, so was Arnold’s dad, and however outspoken he’s been against it will never change that
Arnold may have spoken out against it, but Fuckwit von Kunthead sure hasn't, he's doubled down on minimising nazi crimes.
So fuck elon musk I hope he loses everything and dies horribly.