Ender's Game Trailer is Finally Here

[keiji_Maeda]

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bugger homeworld.

Am I to believe these children are striking back against the catholic church?

I really dont understand what you mean... :s

"bugger" is english slang for turd burgling.

I am English, and technically it does, but no one says that...bugger is just a general everyday expletive, like crap.

Well everyone still knows what crap means, and the context is rather heavily

what meaning he's using

I honestly thought he was making some kind of "catholics are aliens" comment...I havent been here long, dont know how tolerant people are of religions and whatnot.

Catholics are alien? I find the notion kind of hilarious, most of my close knit circle of friends think that this is hilarious as well.

It actually goes quite a ways to describe how most second generation immigrants are perceived by the kind of people who disregards someone purely by their beliefs. Or the way that they were raised....

YOu've made my day hen.

As a second gen immigrant myself (my grandparents are originally from Poland) I can say that the locals treat us more like blood-sucking vampires than aliens :s

Sigh, i miss tromaville, i bet you good money they would have produced that movie, Alien vampire Catholics
from the moon.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

My fucking god, did they seriously just put the pivotal moment from the climax of the movie right there in the open at the end of the trailer? SERIOUSLY? I know Trailers Always Spoil [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrailersAlwaysSpoil] but that's RIDICULOUS!

 

[QtheMuse]

I wonder if they included the video game in the movie because that was the best part of the book to be honest.

 

[Jamieson 90]

My fucking god, did they seriously just put the pivotal moment from the climax of the movie right there in the open at the end of the trailer? SERIOUSLY? I know Trailers Always Spoil [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrailersAlwaysSpoil] but that's RIDICULOUS!

To be fair no one who hasn't read the book will even know what happened, you have to remember that all they will know is that there is a war so that could be just part of some big battle at some stage in it. As for myself I'm more interested in whether they've actually done the ending like the book.

 

[Vorpal_Smilodon]

I will probably go to see this - I love the book, and as long as it doesnt go too Michael Bay it shouldnt be awful...although that said, it annoys me that

Spoiler

the trailer contains one of the final moments of the book; the climax where Ender destroys the bugger homeworld. Trailers in general need to stop blowing plot points.

Lets hope that OSC keeps as far away from it as possible.

I couldn't believe this - it's the biggest twist and the crux of the plot. I mean, I guess if you haven't read the book it wouldn't mean anything to you, but if you remember that two seconds of trailer during your viewing of the movie it would probably ruin then ending

 

[MagunBFP]

i agree card is a great writer and edners game is a great book. i dont think you can say card is right, sure it his opinion but trying to control people because there doing some you dislike but doesnt effect you is a horrible thing to do, but thats a much bigger issue i am a totally ill prepared.

as for profession work place, you may be right that people should leave their opinions at the door when entering a place of work but that doesn't mean they do and they dont. i feel getting people who dont get on and when card is so out spocken to work together it could be to the determent to the work, not to mention uncomfortable for both sides. i should also mention that they all work in the creative industry and i feel art works best when the creator put them self into the peaces and use there opinions (altho card does not have any homophobic stuff in enders game, he other book i am unsure) to shape there work, many book are repetitive of their author after all, so there could be a high chance that card opinions and other as this is a wide spread topic could state to effect the work which is okay while working alone but with other it could be come unpleasant.

Of course you don't think Card might be right, you've chosen a view that is completely opposed to his. He has God on his side and thats has been and it continues to be a sufficent reason for many millions of people to control others. Also we have laws that are specifically designed to control people who commit incest or beastiality because they are doing something you dislike, but doesn't actually effect you. I'm not likening homosexuality to either of those, except to point out they are all sexual and done behind closed doors.

I'm going to be very general about your next paragraph... it's full of "I feel", "there could be" you don't actually have any facts to back up your opinion that working with Card would be disruptive and bad for "teh arts" You say that because Card is vocal of his opinions no one should work with him in case they're offended... do you extend that to people of other faiths who praise God, or who are highly visible about their faith? I'm not religious and I actually find the idea of an all powerful God who allows the abject misery that some people have to live in disgusting so to praise him is highly offensive... so do you think that would a good enough reason to get them to find another job? Afterall it mightbe uncomfortable.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

You misunderstand me. I think every man has a right to his opinion though personally, I thoroughly disagree with Card. What I disagree as much or more however, is not working with someone like in this example because you disagree with them. It is fine to call him wrong, but the place to do it is in a debate or at the ballot on polling day, not in the creative room. What this says is that DC and Epic are also intolerant and don't respect people's rights to have their own views (whether they be right or wrong). Particularly interesting that it's in America which is all about freedom of speech, belief and all that stuff.

There's a line that's said quite a lot around here: "Freedom of speech doesn?t mean freedom from consequences"

The only people bringing politics and beliefs into it in the above example, are DC and Epic, and as I said, those don't belong in comics or games.

No. DC and Epic responded to people who said they would boycott, the people brought politics and beliefs into it. Don't DC and Epic have the right to protect their profits?

I'm going to be very general about your next paragraph... it's full of "I feel", "there could be" you don't actually have any facts to back up your opinion that working with Card would be disruptive and bad for "teh arts"

If you wanted to you, you can apply the same thing to Card as well. He feels that gays are abominations and evil, he has no facts to back it up other than a book that also says getting tattoos and eating shellfish are also evil.

You say that because Card is vocal of his opinions no one should work with him in case they're offended...

I don't think anyone is saying that. He's saying that anyone should have the choice to not work with him if they are offended.

do you extend that to people of other faiths who praise God, or who are highly visible about their faith? I'm not religious and I actually find the idea of an all powerful God who allows the abject misery that some people have to live in disgusting so to praise him is highly offensive... so do you think that would a good enough reason to get them to find another job? After all it mightbe uncomfortable.

I understand you're going with the slippery slope. But think about this, does a person who believes in god instantly equate to a hateful person? Card has said hateful and insulting things to people based on their sexual orientation, those people want to take a stand and say "that's not ok."

You're saying that lines should be drawn, but here neither side has the right to draw it.

I'm Jewish by birth, I could probably work with a self-proclaimed Neo-Nazi if I had to. But the moment that Neo-Nazi starts preaching the death of my family....I'm gonna take a stand and say "that's not ok."

 

[wolf thing]

i agree card is a great writer and edners game is a great book. i dont think you can say card is right, sure it his opinion but trying to control people because there doing some you dislike but doesnt effect you is a horrible thing to do, but thats a much bigger issue i am a totally ill prepared.

as for profession work place, you may be right that people should leave their opinions at the door when entering a place of work but that doesn't mean they do and they dont. i feel getting people who dont get on and when card is so out spocken to work together it could be to the determent to the work, not to mention uncomfortable for both sides. i should also mention that they all work in the creative industry and i feel art works best when the creator put them self into the peaces and use there opinions (altho card does not have any homophobic stuff in enders game, he other book i am unsure) to shape there work, many book are repetitive of their author after all, so there could be a high chance that card opinions and other as this is a wide spread topic could state to effect the work which is okay while working alone but with other it could be come unpleasant.

Of course you don't think Card might be right, you've chosen a view that is completely opposed to his. He has God on his side and thats has been and it continues to be a sufficent reason for many millions of people to control others. Also we have laws that are specifically designed to control people who commit incest or beastiality because they are doing something you dislike, but doesn't actually effect you. I'm not likening homosexuality to either of those, except to point out they are all sexual and done behind closed doors.

I'm going to be very general about your next paragraph... it's full of "I feel", "there could be" you don't actually have any facts to back up your opinion that working with Card would be disruptive and bad for "teh arts" You say that because Card is vocal of his opinions no one should work with him in case they're offended... do you extend that to people of other faiths who praise God, or who are highly visible about their faith? I'm not religious and I actually find the idea of an all powerful God who allows the abject misery that some people have to live in disgusting so to praise him is highly offensive... so do you think that would a good enough reason to get them to find another job? Afterall it mightbe uncomfortable.

I place "i feel" because they are my opinion and i have no facts , i dont know were i would get such information if you do place enlighten me. of cousre a lot of this is my opinion because this is a form inwhich we all express them, your expressing yous and im expressing mine. you first statement seems to be a no shit sherlock argument but it is of course very wise to ask for facts, but again it is a something to keep in mind even if it just my thought on the matter.

I am not saying not should work with card or work with people they disagree with, of course not that would be daft and i dont think i ever implyed that, so perhaps you reaching for fruit thats not there or maybe i should have thought more about what i was writting, most likey the second. All i was saying is that if people do not want to work together they should have to, from what i have said it may make out that Card would be the aggressor but no, it is mostly the artist didn't want to work with because he felt couldn't help but bring up Card homophobia or didnt want to contribution to the earnings of a man who puts money toward stuff he disagrees with.
as i have said writers and artist often put them self into there work, bring in the points of view into a there works, so people clash, there is plenty of stuff about artist not working together it not unheard off and it also not unheard of of people of different faiths and believes also working together. i was mearly talking about this case and saying it was with in the artist right to back out, for what ever reason.
it is a straw man argument to imply am speaking in general as i have tried to make my thought on the matter clear.

 

[chikusho]

Art is the expression of the artist. If you want to call something art, you then cannot separate the art from the artist.

Well, no. Art only exists in the eye of the beholder. As soon as a creator let's go of the work it belongs solely to whoever perceives it.
Intentional expression can miss the mark, and even counteract it's own message.
Just the same way unintended profoundness is no less profound.

On that note, literature is not art. But when the Author then centers his works around his beliefs, that is where problems arise. Ender's Game does not center around OSC's offensive beliefs, but a lot of his other books do.

The most laughable thing I've read all week.

 

[Platypus540]

Well, this looks crappy. They seem to have turned a slow-paced, 'serious' book into a generic action movie. The book has only hardly any human/alien fights; they're just not the point of the story.

Edit: Just realized that the explosion at the end of the trailer is when Ender destroys the bugger homeworld (aka the big finale and huge twist of the novel). If they not only show that in the trailer but show the planet's destruction straight up, they've definitely missed the point.

 

[uzo]

Well hey ...

... eventually they will make a half decent Brave New World.

The sad thing is we will all think it "was done yesterday".

EDIT

Get a horse to inhale glue, and sneeze. Throw a handful of various coloured glitter into said sneeze. Determine future by said glitter patterns.

 

[antipunt]

Interesting...I never knew Enders Game was so complex.
I guess I was too young to understand it >_>

 

[chikusho]

To me this definition is inclusive of what is significant and still exclusive of what was never meant to be an expression to or for an audience.

Are you saying that if something isn't intended for an audience, it isn't art?

 

[gwilym101]

As far as I remember his politics isn't really present in the books at all.

I'm hopeful this will be good, but the book is really dark and there is so much behind the scenes work in the book as Ender is viciously manipulated all the time. Plus I'd have thought it would be in two parts one for the battle school and one for the command school, my concern is they're going to cut a lot of the gritty-ness out.

 

[Jamieson 90]

As far as I remember his politics isn't really present in the books at all.

I'm hopeful this will be good, but the book is really dark and there is so much behind the scenes work in the book as Ender is viciously manipulated all the time. Plus I'd have thought it would be in two parts one for the battle school and one for the command school, my concern is they're going to cut a lot of the gritty-ness out.

From what Asa Butterfield (actor playing Andrew 'Ender' Wiggin) has said the film is still pretty dark and gritty, but of course anyone expecting to see naked boys running around is naive or possibly deluded; Asa says he thinks they're aiming for PG-13 (You can get away with a lot at that rating these days) so just don't go in expecting to see an 18/R rated film.

Source:
http://www.endersansible.com/2013/05/08/asa-butterfield-ama/

And as for why it hasn't been broken down into battle and command school, well I honestly think it's because there wouldn't be enough material for two films, and that they had to compress the amount of time that passed in the film for what ever reasons, mainly because finding two or possibly even three sets of actors for all the kids as they age from 6 to 11/12 would be too hard or costly or both.

 

[Moralio]

Love the books (especially Ender's Game), don't really like the author as a person, and this trailer looks interesting. Hoping for at least good sc-fi flick.

 

[MXRom]

I seem to see child actors as just kids witha camera in their faces. Not very often do you get one that genuinely acts and instead just frown deeply as if that's supposed to be the all encompassing facial feature of every human emotion.

The trailer doesn't help argue against that. I just hope I'm wrong, because if Asa can't get it right, it won't be Ender's Game. It'll just be a kid in what is supposed to be Ender's Game.

 

[Bob Thenecromancer]

This just in Nicolas Cage will star as the Buggers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bpe_bVk0JY