Ender's Game Trailer is Finally Here

[SecondPrize]

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

It doesn't. It does, however, influence whether i'll support his work by purchasing a ticket for it.

 

[Alcaste]

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

Except when supporting that man's work directly supports his beliefs. THEN you should care.

I never really liked him. I read Ender's Game as a kid and it didn't interest me very much. Not enough to read any of the other books, anyway.

 

[wolf thing]

well DC and epic have a right to their opinions, if they feel that working with a certain author will put across a message they do not want for company there well with in there rights not to work with them, it is goo that the DC artist refused to work with card, standing up for what you believe in usually a good thing and it what card does all the time, you seem to be okay with card having an opinion so why not the artist. as for epic game if they started to make the game and then backout sure thats in poor tasted but you can bash them for having there own opinions, i dont know any of the details but working with such a homophobic author could have caused argument in the company and you could be sure that it would effect the game sales.

right work boths way if card is alowed to be homophobic then people are alowed to not work with him, he does nit just dislike the gays he active works against them using using his money to fund movements which try to reduce there right, threatans the American government with violance if the gay are allowed to be marride and not to mention all the essay he has written about the evils of homosexuality.

what i find destructing is that people think its okay for card to try and oppress a group of people but not okay for people to call him wrong

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, and unlikely many other people Card is actually backing up his opinions with action. That he is wrong or right is besides the point, he knows that his god has said the homosexuality is wrong, just like many of us know that abortion is wrong because it's murder, or its not wrong because it should be a woman's choice. When it comes to a question of moral right, there's no correct answer just the current socially popular one.

As for using the pathetic excuse of "working with such a homophobic author could have caused an argument in the company" whatever happened to being professional at work and leaving your personal issues at home?

Personally I think Card is an great author and Enders Game is the only book that I have literally read to destruction and had to replace. I also think Card is an idiot because his arguement against homosexuality is based on god and I heap upon him the same scorn I heap on any other bible bashing person who avoids reality by allowing a supernatural being to determine right from wrong, but god damn if Enders Game isn't an awesome book.

OT: I'm ashamed to say I'm going to watch this movie because it's called Enders Game, and I might actually enjoy it, but from that trailer it looks nothing like the story in the book. If we're lucky it will become the next Starship Troopers, awesome book, pretty cool movie but only barely the same story.

i agree card is a great writer and edners game is a great book. i dont think you can say card is right, sure it his opinion but trying to control people because there doing some you dislike but doesnt effect you is a horrible thing to do, but thats a much bigger issue i am a totally ill prepared.

as for profession work place, you may be right that people should leave their opinions at the door when entering a place of work but that doesn't mean they do and they dont. i feel getting people who dont get on and when card is so out spocken to work together it could be to the determent to the work, not to mention uncomfortable for both sides. i should also mention that they all work in the creative industry and i feel art works best when the creator put them self into the peaces and use there opinions (altho card does not have any homophobic stuff in enders game, he other book i am unsure) to shape there work, many book are repetitive of their author after all, so there could be a high chance that card opinions and other as this is a wide spread topic could state to effect the work which is okay while working alone but with other it could be come unpleasant.

 

[crowbar520]

From what I can tell from this trailer, they might not save the big reveal at end of the book for the end of the movie. It looks like they might drop it earlier, just to artificially raise the stakes. (If you haven't read the book, and have no idea what I'm talking about; read the book ASAP, it's awesome.)

 

[RA92]

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, and unlikely many other people Card is actually backing up his opinions with action.

And Epic was backing up their opinion of him with the action of not working with him.

Case closed.

 

[tahrey]

I will probably go to see this - I love the book, and as long as it doesnt go too Michael Bay it shouldnt be awful...although that said, it annoys me that

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boobies

Lets hope that OSC keeps as far away from it as possible.

Bugger, shit, damn. I've got so used to people putting videos and random pictures behind "spoiler" bars that I clicked on that without thinking.

Yes, I'd somehow managed to avoid spoiling the ending (OR reading the book 9_9) until now...

Maybe we need to start putting "WARNING: ACTUAL SPOILERS BELOW" before those bars, now...

 

[RA92]

Edit: Sorry, wrong place.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

Why do I get the feeling that they're trying their best to hide a piss poor casting decision for the titular role of Ender?

 

[RA92]

Edit: Repost

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I don't know what in the world the trailer is trying to show, but that isn't Ender's Game, the book I read had a slow pace, was contemplative, and the only violence that happened to the characters was when the children beat the shit out of (and sometimes killed) each other. They must REALLY be reaching to create exciting action setpieces for the trailers.

I thought it'd be something more akin to Jarhead or Zero Dark Thirty but it seems they want to try to turn it into a generic Sci-Fi movie :/

I think OSC just gave in a bit to at least see it made into a movie. If I remember correctly, the film industry has been pinging away at him for more than a decade to get this movie made. He turned down/away at least four or five different scripts/deals.

The main point of contention between him and the studios was that age of Ender. The first time they approached him, their idea was to make Ender around 17 or 18 years old. Card flat-out said no. They came to him again, and said "than how about 15 or 16", no again from him. After a couple more times they had come down to 8 or 9, and he was about to settle, because he didn't think he could get them to go down anymore, but then said no again because he read some fine print deep down in the pages of the contract that said that if the studio ended up feeling like it couldn't work with the main character being 8 to 9 years old, then they could bump the age up to 13 or 14 during the auditioning process.

In the end, it looks like they got Card to agree to the bad settlement, because that kid looks no younger than twelve.

Lets hope that OSC keeps as far away from it as possible.

Considering how long it took the studios to get this film to be made, even just the okay to get it made, I think your hopes won't work out.

As the article says, he's a producer for it. The movie would never have been made in the first place if it didn't end up getting the go ahead from him, and as I said further above, that took over a decade for him to agree to a deal.

 

[moggett88]

I will probably go to see this - I love the book, and as long as it doesnt go too Michael Bay it shouldnt be awful...although that said, it annoys me that

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boobies

Lets hope that OSC keeps as far away from it as possible.

Bugger, shit, damn. I've got so used to people putting videos and random pictures behind "spoiler" bars that I clicked on that without thinking.

Yes, I'd somehow managed to avoid spoiling the ending (OR reading the book 9_9) until now...

Maybe we need to start putting "WARNING: ACTUAL SPOILERS BELOW" before those bars, now...

Or you could, you know, assume that spoiler tags are covering spoilers. Just sayin

 

[moggett88]

Lets hope that OSC keeps as far away from it as possible.

Considering how long it took the studios to get this film to be made, even just the okay to get it made, I think your hopes won't work out.

As the article says, he's a producer for it. The movie would never have been made in the first place if it didn't end up getting the go ahead from him, and as I said further above, that took over a decade for him to agree to a deal.

I didnt really mean away from it in the artistic sense, more like staying silent with regards to the movies public face. Despite his...views, he has artistic skill, and would be an asset during the development of the film. It would just be a shame if the movies image is harmed because some bigot keeps appearing to promote it.

As for what you said about the actor age, I hope the actor they went with just looks older than he is. The fact that the kids are too young is one of the central themes of the book; if they teen it up, it may as well have a Rocky style training montage since it will just be another badass space soldier story.

EDIT: According to IMDB, the actor (Asa Butterfield) is 16 years old. The synopsis just says that he is a "boy", but doesnt give an age for him. It does say that the buggers are now called "formics" though :x And just having a look on Wikipedia for the info, theres a quote from OSC that says the "twist" from the end of the book is provided at the start of the film He says

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that Mazer Rackham is introduced straight away, and the audience knows that the kids are really fighting from the get-go. Ender doesnt, which apparently is more interesting :s

I am feeling less excited about this movie the more I hear about it. Also, why does Kingsley have tattoos all over his face?!

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

well DC and epic have a right to their opinions, if they feel that working with a certain author will put across a message they do not want for company there well with in there rights not to work with them, it is goo that the DC artist refused to work with card, standing up for what you believe in usually a good thing and it what card does all the time, you seem to be okay with card having an opinion so why not the artist. as for epic game if they started to make the game and then backout sure thats in poor tasted but you can bash them for having there own opinions, i dont know any of the details but working with such a homophobic author could have caused argument in the company and you could be sure that it would effect the game sales.

right work boths way if card is alowed to be homophobic then people are alowed to not work with him, he does nit just dislike the gays he active works against them using using his money to fund movements which try to reduce there right, threatans the American government with violance if the gay are allowed to be marride and not to mention all the essay he has written about the evils of homosexuality.

what i find destructing is that people think its okay for card to try and oppress a group of people but not okay for people to call him wrong

You misunderstand me. I think every man has a right to his opinion though personally, I thoroughly disagree with Card. What I disagree as much or more however, is not working with someone like in this example because you disagree with them. It is fine to call him wrong, but the place to do it is in a debate or at the ballot on polling day, not in the creative room. What this says is that DC and Epic are also intolerant and don't respect people's rights to have their own views (whether they be right or wrong). Particularly interesting that it's in America which is all about freedom of speech, belief and all that stuff.

The only people bringing politics and beliefs into it in the above example, are DC and Epic, and as I said, those don't belong in comics or games.

 

[wolf thing]

well DC and epic have a right to their opinions, if they feel that working with a certain author will put across a message they do not want for company there well with in there rights not to work with them, it is goo that the DC artist refused to work with card, standing up for what you believe in usually a good thing and it what card does all the time, you seem to be okay with card having an opinion so why not the artist. as for epic game if they started to make the game and then backout sure thats in poor tasted but you can bash them for having there own opinions, i dont know any of the details but working with such a homophobic author could have caused argument in the company and you could be sure that it would effect the game sales.

right work boths way if card is alowed to be homophobic then people are alowed to not work with him, he does nit just dislike the gays he active works against them using using his money to fund movements which try to reduce there right, threatans the American government with violance if the gay are allowed to be marride and not to mention all the essay he has written about the evils of homosexuality.

what i find destructing is that people think its okay for card to try and oppress a group of people but not okay for people to call him wrong

You misunderstand me. I think every man has a right to his opinion though personally, I thoroughly disagree with Card. What I disagree as much or more however, is not working with someone like in this example because you disagree with them. It is fine to call him wrong, but the place to do it is in a debate or at the ballot on polling day, not in the creative room. What this says is that DC and Epic are also intolerant and don't respect people's rights to have their own views (whether they be right or wrong). Particularly interesting that it's in America which is all about freedom of speech, belief and all that stuff.

The only people bringing politics and beliefs into it in the above example, are DC and Epic, and as I said, those don't belong in comics or games.

i see your point but i dont like the idea of people who disagree having to put up with each other when it comes to creative products, it would be different in an office or such, when someone has to be creative i think it could just get in the way. i could see your point more with epic which is a company so acting in none political biass way would be fine, but with the artist i think its good that he got out if he thought it would effect both their works.

 

[Flatfrog]

You know what though? I think this is thoroughly disgusting....on the part of the DC artist and Epic Games. I don't agree with Card's opinion, but he damn well has the right to it. As soon as DC and Epic cancelled those things, they brought politics into places where it doesn't belong and disrespected a man's right to his opinion.

So it's okay to watch Mel Gibson films when he's one of the vilest racists and anti-semites in Hollywood? It's okay to buy Tommy Hilfiger clothes when he said on TV "I would never have made them if I knew blacks or asians would wear them"?

No, it's not okay. I pretty much stopped being able to watch Mel Gibson in anything after he revealed his true self. I just find him distasteful and can't bring myself to give him any of my money. And I feel the same way about Card. And I'm not alone in this, so it's not unreasonable for a company to think twice about engaging him to work on something if they think it might have an impact on the bottom line. That's what boycotts are *for*. And they work.

So yes, of course Card is entitled to his opinions. And if he chooses to air those opinions, and if they offend people, and if those people choose to not buy his books or go to his movie, that's the consequence. And if those people who are putting up money to finance his projects choose not to do so because of the controversy, then that's a perfectly reasonable financial decision.

Personally I think it's rather wonderful that being homophobic has become offensive enough to threaten someone's career. About fucking time.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Why is it that the only people allowed to have personal beliefs and unpopular opinions are the ones who support which ever side is the most popular?

Homosexuals reserve the right to believe they are entitled to marriage and whatever other rights they feel they are being slighted on.

Opponents of homosexuality are EQUALLY within their rights to disagree and to stand against homosexual marriage and culture.

Live and let live. No side is more "right" than the other. Just different perspectives, to which everyone is entitled. If Card doesn't agree with gay marriage he has that right and I fully support him acting on that belief and standing by it. Just as I can respect and support a gay person's efforts to be legally married.
To each his own I say.

So that said, if this movie is good, I'll support it and see it at full price. I for one won't be party to any McCarthy-istic persecutions and blacklisting.

 

[Plasmadamage]

I do believe that this movie is going to get the "Eragon" treatment. A complete rush job, bastardizing the book to fit it into 2 hours.

Gaaah! Why would you remind me of that, that... thing? I spent years trying to pretend the Eragon movie never happened!

 

[Flatfrog]

Why is it that the only people allowed to have personal beliefs and unpopular opinions are the ones who support which ever side is the most popular?

Homosexuals reserve the right to believe they are entitled to marriage and whatever other rights they feel they are being slighted on.

Opponents of homosexuality are EQUALLY within their rights to disagree and to stand against homosexual marriage and culture.

Live and let live. No side is more "right" than the other. Just different perspectives, to which everyone is entitled. If Card doesn't agree with gay marriage he has that right and I fully support him acting on that belief and standing by it. Just as I can respect and support a gay person's efforts to be legally married.
To each his own I say.

So that said, if this movie is good, I'll support it and see it at full price. I for one won't be party to any McCarthy-istic persecutions and blacklisting.

The problem with that 'Live and Let Live' approach is that it leads to the 'fair share' problem. This is the old joke about the two children arguing over how much cake they should have. Billy wants the whole thing, but Brenda thinks they should share it evenly. Eventually a grown-up intervenes and says they should compromise by giving Brenda 1/4 and Billy 3/4.

What is the right compromise between tolerance and intolerance? Between fair and unfair?

Anyway, in Card's case, this isn't just a matter of him being opposed to gay marriage or even to homosexuality. Have you read the things he's written? I'm all for people having a right to their own views, but if those views are hateful I don't see why I should feel bad about not wanting to support them by giving the guy my money.

Incidentally, I've already taken part in a discussion on this topic in a different forum. My reflex opinion was to be the same as you - we should separate the art from the artist, and someone's opinions shouldn't have an impact on their work. But then I realised who I was 'agreeing' with and I realised that by 'tolerating' Card's opinion, I was tacitly supporting it, and I couldn't let myself do that.

To quote from what I said at the time:
'This is one of those occasions when you can judge the worth of your arguments by those who agree with you. ... I'm mostly of the opinion that someone should be allowed to hold whatever opinions they like as long as they aren't encouraging hate in others, and that if he's able to steer clear of controversial topics in his run on the comic then he should be permitted to stay on it. I'd even go so far as to say that a storyline critical of gay marriage or even overtly homophobic shouldn't be censored (although it would be inappropriate to put it into as iconic and influential a forum as Superman) - people can choose to vote with their wallets and not buy it.

However, all that being said, the repulsive, hateful views I've seen on this thread that are ostensibly on 'my side' of the debate are enough to make me question my opinion. If giving a platform to a homophobic writer in any way bolsters the views of people like that then that really is a very strong argument in favour of censorship.'

 

[HyenaThePirate]

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Quite frankly that doesn't matter to me. I don't care how hateful someone's words are. I don't care how stupid or ignorant their beliefs are. Because I myself have stupid and ignorant beliefs and can be hateful towards certain individuals and cultures as well, whether overtly or covertly, intentional or non. It's called being human.
I don't begrudge any man his opinion and his efforts to do what he believes in or stand on his own principles.
That doesn't mean I have to be his friend, but to try to censor or marginalize him is how OTHER people in history have suppressed the rights and freedoms of others.
I'm a firm believer that often the oppressed become the oppressors and this is an area of little exception. I also believe that to enact true change, real change, you have to accept others and live AS an example. Like Martin Luther King Jr. demonstrated, equality can be accomplished through peace and love far more effectively than by opposition and open dispute. You'll note that Card and his supporters haven't actually learned a damn thing from the events that occurred around him. You'll note that hollywood is still making a big budget Ender's film with big name stars. And you'll note that not many people who shared his beliefs seem to suddenly be altering their points of view because he's being openly persecuted. In fact, when has such tactics ever actually worked to change someone's mind and make them more open minded and tolerant?

That's like if I decide to boycott you and your work, disparage and sabotage you because you agree with homosexual marriage. Will the negative treatment of you (assuming I could get enough people to help me really make things miserable for you) cause you to alter your point of view? Or would you simply pay lip service or stay silent just to alleviate the pressure? Is being forced into silence TRULY something we advocate of those with alternative beliefs and points of view? Because we all know what a slippery slope that can be..

 

[Flatfrog]

That's like if I decide to boycott you and your work, disparage and sabotage you because you agree with homosexual marriage. Will the negative treatment of you (assuming I could get enough people to help me really make things miserable for you) cause you to alter your point of view? Or would you simply pay lip service or stay silent just to alleviate the pressure? Is being forced into silence TRULY something we advocate of those with alternative beliefs and points of view? Because we all know what a slippery slope that can be..

I have to go and make my kids' dinner so I have to be brief, but I'm going to take you up on this point. If I express an opinion and a significant number of people make a good argument that what I've said is unpleasant or morally wrong, then damn right I'm going to reconsider and possibly alter my point of view. As I have done often in my life when I discovered I was being inadvertently sexist, racist or otherwise prejudiced. And yes, if someone is a racist or a homophobe, then I find it pretty hard to be friends with them, or to support them by buying their products. I don't think that's censorship, that's just market forces, and it's how morality and social norms progress.

Now obviously there's a fine line here. Obviously when people are branded racist because they use the word 'niggardly', that's idiotic. And if Card was just a run-of-the-mill religious conservative who opposed gay marriage, then I wouldn't feel strongly about it and I wouldn't feel the need to boycott him. But he's more than that, he's an active campaigner against gay marriage and against homosexuality in general (again, I urge you to read what he's written, it's highly inflammatory). And I can't bring myself to support a person like that.