Energy x2

[Hades74]

I just redirected from other forum: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.120085?page=2#2347760

this is so people don't just overly quote each other on this

the discussion is about types of energy and the way we can alter it, I keep arguing that electricity is the energy type most harnessed and controllable today

so far we got:
kinetic
light
and electricity

 

[Lukeje]

I think you'd have to explain what you mean by 'types of energy' first.

 

[Hades74]

Electricity can be captured in batteries, seen, altered, and is technically physical if you consider electrons as part of physical matter

 

[ZeroMachine]

Electricity can be captured in batteries, seen, altered, and is technically physical if you consider electrons as part of physical matter

Dude... they are part of the "physical matter". All energy is. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there in the physical world.

And as for the most harnessed and controllable energy, I'd say kinetic. We can go a whole day without looking at an artificial light (theoretically, but it'd probably be pretty hard ), but in order to even just move ourselves we need kinetic energy. Plain and simple.

 

[Maze1125]

if you consider electrons as part of physical matter

Electrons aren't made of energy any more than any other particle is made of energy.

 

[Hades74]

I never said I don't consider it to be physical... I was talking about others and exactly how could we "store" kinetic energy

 

[APPCRASH]

I never said I don't consider it to be physical... I was talking about others and exactly how could we "store" kinetic energy

Wouldn't that just fall under "potential energy?"

 

[ZeroMachine]

I never said I don't consider it to be physical... I was talking about others and exactly how could we "store" kinetic energy

Why would we need to store kinetic energy? It's the most easily (for lack of a better term) created and manipulated. Through a rock! You just created kinetic energy. Punt a football! Kinetic energy. Launch a firework! Through the propulsion of the firework's gunpower, you have kinetic energy.

There is no reason to store it, even if it was possible.

 

[Hades74]

could be, if it is at dormant state ready to be POTENTIALLY released than I guess it should be called that, yes

 

[Maze1125]

I would argue that energy doesn't truly exist, it is merely a particular grouping of other effects that happens to remain constant.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

What about zero point energy drawn from dark matter in space?

Kinetic energy would have to be used to generate electrical enery that could be stored in batteries. I can see no way of storing pure kinetic energy

 

[flare09]

Energy kills, and it saves lives. It'll end us, and it's kept us alive for so many years.

 

[Hades74]

I never said I don't consider it to be physical... I was talking about others and exactly how could we "store" kinetic energy

Why would we need to store kinetic energy? It's the most easily (for lack of a better term) created and manipulated. Through a rock! You just created kinetic energy. Punt a football! Kinetic energy. Launch a firework! Through the propulsion of the firework's gunpower, you have kinetic energy.

There is no reason to store it, even if it was possible.

to use as a human superpower or a precision weapon and the examples you just listed were resulted by chemical reactions which CAUSED the energy

 

[Hades74]

> What about zero point energy drawn from dark matter in space?

Kinetic energy would have to be used to generate electrical enery that could be stored in batteries. I can see no way of storing pure kinetic energy



me too and dark matter is a theory, I'm not saying that people who developed it are neccesarily wrong but they are basing their theory through the "spaggetti monster" technique

 

[Krakyn]

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

Never been able to harness the energy of this one though.

 

[Hades74]

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

it's basically just a term "nuclear energy" isn't pure or even one type of energy, it is the light, heat, and kinetic energies resulting from nuclear fission

 

[ZeroMachine]

I never said I don't consider it to be physical... I was talking about others and exactly how could we "store" kinetic energy

Why would we need to store kinetic energy? It's the most easily (for lack of a better term) created and manipulated. Through a rock! You just created kinetic energy. Punt a football! Kinetic energy. Launch a firework! Through the propulsion of the firework's gunpower, you have kinetic energy.

There is no reason to store it, even if it was possible.

to use as a human superpower or a precision weapon and the examples you just listed were resulted by chemical reactions which CAUSED the energy

I don't see your point, here. Of course things CAUSE the energy.

And as for using them as a human superpower or precision weapon, you still wouldn't need to store it. You would just need to create it.

Oh, and we already have weapons that use kinetic energy without storing it! They're called guns. The precision ones are called snipers. Superpowers I can at least kinda see what you're talking about, but precision weapons? Or do you mean just harnessing the power of kinetic energy itself, like someone would be walking along, be killed, but there would be no bullet- just the damage done.

... Cause that would be cool...

EDIT: And even then, it wouldn't need to be stored, just created.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

Never been able to harness the energy of this one though.

Um, yes we have. We just haven't been able to harness it efficiently. Nobody wants a power plant with a net loss in energy.

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

it's basically just a term "nuclear energy" isn't pure or even one type of energy, it is the light, heat, and kinetic energies resulting from nuclear fission

Pure energy? wha? You're aware that heat is caused by the kinetic energy of vibrating particles and light is just electromagnetic waves right?

 

[Hades74]

I never said I don't consider it to be physical... I was talking about others and exactly how could we "store" kinetic energy

Why would we need to store kinetic energy? It's the most easily (for lack of a better term) created and manipulated. Through a rock! You just created kinetic energy. Punt a football! Kinetic energy. Launch a firework! Through the propulsion of the firework's gunpower, you have kinetic energy.

There is no reason to store it, even if it was possible.

to use as a human superpower or a precision weapon and the examples you just listed were resulted by chemical reactions which CAUSED the energy

I don't see your point, here. Of course things CAUSE the energy.

And as for using them as a human superpower or precision weapon, you still wouldn't need to store it. You would just need to create it.

Oh, and we already have weapons that use kinetic energy without storing it! They're called guns. The precision ones are called snipers. Superpowers I can at least kinda see what you're talking about, but precision weapons? Or do you mean just harnessing the power of kinetic energy itself, like someone would be walking along, be killed, but there would be no bullet- just the damage done.

... Cause that would be cool...

YES! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
how primitive is killing a person by projectile throwing/shooting?

as for energy sotrage, think about this.. what's easier to have:
a 500 pound machine GENERATING "x" amount of energy that itself needs some energy to run/function
or
the container with "X" amount of energy that takes up 10 times less space due to the fact that it's JUST the energy (and the container)