England Jails Homophobes

[Bordersane]

It all boil down to one thing here...religion. You can see it any way you want, but there's no denying it. Its nothing but an outdated institution that doesn't reflect the levels of knowledge that we understand today. Its a billion-dollar industry that profits from people that need comfort and a sense of belonging.

It goes against the entire human experience, it puts you into a box and keeps you there. Religion doesn't promote personal growth and experience. Religion doesn't like you to think too much.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I feel that "homophob" is a bit of an understatment to call someone calling publicity to murder someone else in the most violent way due to their sexual oriantation.

Yeah, I'm kind of tired of seeing the phobia of gay people constantly used to describe people who are just fucking psychopaths.

 

[Soxafloppin]

Good. I don't see the difference between hating someone because of there sexual orientation and hating some one because of there race.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Good. I don't see the difference between hating someone because of there sexual orientation and hating some one because of there race.

Blows me away that so many people are so fine with laws making it a prison worthy offense to voice a hate for someone. No harm has to be caused, no one has to care, but if you voice hatred for a group, you can be sent to prison. One of those idiots won't get out for three fucking years. Three years of the drop-kick's life because he hates someone?

C'mon... C'mooooon.

People need to suck it the hell up, lol. "Oh noes, he hates me and wants me to be executed. My life is over!" Get over it. No one is going to pass a law that sees gay people hanged, drawn and quartered. Let the idiots have their little shouting session and get on with your day. Are we that immature that we are going to make laws so the big bag bully doesn't make us feel bad? I couldn't give one shit what these idiots think and no one else should either. Because I'm right. In my own mind >_>

 

[Ren_Li]

That, uhm. That's my home town. Wow.
Anyway, totally okay with this. I mean, if we had one race saying that another race should be brutally killed, that'd be hate-speech. Hate-speech is not okay. End of story. The fact that it's about sexuality doesn't change that.

...You know, in my opinion.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Good on the British for locking those people up. Yes, they have a right to an opinion and all that, but I feel that you have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

Three years of the drop-kick's life because he hates someone?

No, the point is that he then tried to encourage other people to hate. Incitement to hatred. You can hate people all day long inside your thick skull if you'd like. But as soon as you start to spout hatred over other people, don't expect them to treat it leniently, that's my view. And this wasn't simple hate either: it's not me saying "I really dislike you", this is me saying "I want you to be executed, and I'm going to encourage people to think the same". That's some twisted stuff.

 

[CoffeeBoy]

I'm still of the opinion that it should be legal to voice hatred of a sexuality and to campaign for their legal execution.

There are no legal executions in Britain; therefore, this is a campaign to elicit illegal action. It is not a campaign to criminalize homosexuality, but to execute homosexuals.

That's a strawman argument at best and completely missing the point at worst. They are arguing it SHOULD be legal, not that they should illegally execute people.

No, they were claiming that some god is okay with the destruction of homosexuals and the township needs to decide by what means they should execute them. If there was any wording on any of their fliers that supported your point of view, I would have included that in my original post. But there was absolutely nothing on any of the fliers that they distributed that said, "Let's make or change a law." In fact, they blatantly avoided any discussion of whether there should be such a law and a return to state executions by stating, "the only question is how it should be carried out," in direct reference to the form of execution after listing several forms.

 

[GamemasterAnthony]

Good on the British for locking those people up. Yes, they have a right to an opinion and all that, but I feel that you have to draw the line somewhere.

QFT

So...who's all in favor of showing what happened to these guys to the Westboro Baptist Church and hint that we may follow England's example if they don't clean up THEIR act?

 

[Bloodtrozorx]

It's a double standard in my eyes and a miscaridge of justice.

Also, you called me stupid and misspelled "too". That's kind of funny, lol.

*Miscarriage

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

It's a double standard in my eyes and a miscaridge of justice.

Also, you called me stupid and misspelled "too". That's kind of funny, lol.

*Miscarriage

I didn't say *I* wasn't stupid

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

No, the point is that he then tried to encourage other people to hate. Incitement to hatred. You can hate people all day long inside your thick skull if you'd like. But as soon as you start to spout hatred over other people, don't expect them to treat it leniently, that's my view.

Your view is that it's okay for you to hate someone, but if you try to get other people to also hate them, then it's a problem?

I... don't see the logic.

Anywho, I've seen it before and I'll say it again: people hate people. Get over it. *shrug*

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Good on the British for locking those people up. Yes, they have a right to an opinion and all that, but I feel that you have to draw the line somewhere.

QFT

So...who's all in favor of showing what happened to these guys to the Westboro Baptist Church and hint that we may follow England's example if they don't clean up THEIR act?

Luckily, the U.S. seems to want to keep their freedom. Hopefully they have a backbone and keep it that way.

 

[Matthew Dunn]

Yet again they try to force their culture and religious ideas on us in the UK
(Now im going to sound really offensive so there is your warning, but i am rather offended by this, im not gay but people like this should be taught a lesson in manners even if that means being removed from the country)
Have they not the slightest clue that this is not THEIR country so they shouldn't try to force THIER rules on us.
We live in a country of equality for everyone (<--- key phrase here)

Its like the time you tried to get sharia law in the UK.. which failed (fortunately)
If i was in charge i would gladly see bigots like them out of the UK forever

I dont really care if this offends anyone I just want people to be nice to each other no matter what country, culture, religious choice or race ect ect

If the UK is to be a Multicultural place we should learn to love and tolerate everyone

If you cannot do that ... bugger off while i drink my tea

 

[Wicky_42]

I have no doubt in my mind at all that someone leaving leaflets about how horrible rapists are wouldn't be punished, because it's 'okay' to hate them. I have no doubt at all that spreading hatred against neo-nazis and the KKK would be unpunished. It's 'okay' to hate them, it seems.

I would just point out that rape is illegal, whilst being gay is not. Therefore, speaking against rapists, murderers, muggers etc etc isn't spreading hate, it's speaking out against criminals. Calling for the destruction of people based on their sexual orientation is being hateful, I don't care what their holy book says on the topic.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Good to see the justice system works. In case any of you don't know about the inciting hatred laws in Britain, look em up. They're quite clear, and it's good to see they've been used to full effect.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I have no doubt in my mind at all that someone leaving leaflets about how horrible rapists are wouldn't be punished, because it's 'okay' to hate them. I have no doubt at all that spreading hatred against neo-nazis and the KKK would be unpunished. It's 'okay' to hate them, it seems.

I would just point out that rape is illegal, whilst being gay is not. Therefore, speaking against rapists, murderers, muggers etc etc isn't spreading hate, it's speaking out against criminals. Calling for the destruction of people based on their sexual orientation is being hateful, I don't care what their holy book says on the topic.

I don't buy into that argument. It's okay to "speak out against" what others have decided are criminal activities, but not to speak out against things you personally think should be criminal? It falls flat in a second; if we go by that, no new law can ever be made, because you cannot speak ill of what isn't already a crime. And you know how things like rape and murder became illegal? Someone said "oi, you, killing all those people... knock it off," lol. Same with every law. Ever. "Stop hanging people because they're gay/black/a witch/Christian/Jewish, etc., etc.."

Just because in your eyes (and my own) being gay is as mundane as choosing to wear a white top, that doesn't mean others shouldn't be free to say how they feel it should be illegal. After all, we were doing just that to get it LEGAL to be gay not so long ago, and we continue to do so on behalf of gay marriage. Should we have been locked up for proposing gay people NOT be hanged and that people beating homosexuals should be thrown in jail? It wasn't a crime once.

People have risen up against their government, against kings and queens, all to give the people a voice. No matter how utterly idiotic, lol. If we don't let everyone voice their beliefs (so long as it isn't: let's go hang that guy) we are no better than those kings and queens and corrupt governments. Take for example the U.S. Deceleration of Independence; people fought and died to ensure their people could speak out and have their say on the laws they live under.

I think it comes down to people here just don't like homophobic behavior and it's easy for them to agree with locking them up--it doesn't negatively effective them so they don't give it a thought. So long as no one upsets them, to hell with the rest.

On a lighter note, that town hanging gay, black, strange, Christian or Jewish people must be really empty XD

 

[hawkeye52]

Speaking out on a public forum handing out pamphlets and other such promotion activites with the clear intent of spreading hate of another Just because they are of a certain group you disagree with is plain wrong. You are allowed to house those opinions, you are even allowed to talk to others in private about those opinions that is what freedom of speech is for.

Freedom of speech is not however for the right to stand on a podium or hand out literature saying why X group is evil and should be put to death by legal means or otherwise. What they have done is an abuse of a Right and this in itself is illegal as well as immoral.

 

[Wicky_42]

I have no doubt in my mind at all that someone leaving leaflets about how horrible rapists are wouldn't be punished, because it's 'okay' to hate them. I have no doubt at all that spreading hatred against neo-nazis and the KKK would be unpunished. It's 'okay' to hate them, it seems.

I would just point out that rape is illegal, whilst being gay is not. Therefore, speaking against rapists, murderers, muggers etc etc isn't spreading hate, it's speaking out against criminals. Calling for the destruction of people based on their sexual orientation is being hateful, I don't care what their holy book says on the topic.

I don't buy into that argument. It's okay to "speak out against" what others have decided are criminal activities, but not to speak out against things you personally think should be criminal? It falls flat in a second; if we go by that, no new law can ever be made, because you cannot speak ill of what isn't already a crime. And you know how things like rape and murder became illegal? Someone said "oi, you, killing all those people... knock it off," lol. Same with every law. Ever. "Stop hanging people because they're gay/black/a witch/Christian/Jewish, etc., etc.."

Nonsense There's a HUGE difference between campaigning to have a law changed or entering into discussion about what is right or not, or what is moral, and a campaign of hatred, opinion-bashing and hostile, aggressive demonisation of a group for no other reason than your personal opinion. We have a group here whose opening stance is "I read in a book that gays should be destroyed. So, what's the best way to kill every homosexual we can find? Come on people, time is money!" It's one thing to say, "I don't like people who are gay" - that's homophobia, fine, whatever. It's another to launch a political campaign to get them all killed.

As a fun little game, replace "gay" with "black" in your previous arguments and see how valiantly you are fighting to defend the KKK... have fun with that

 

[Dejawesp]

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The irony is hilarious. Sadly, this has martyr written all over it.

Daron Malakian! Nooo what have you done! We were promised a new album. You cant write in prison!