Entitlement

[Torrasque]

Moving away from that badly stretched metaphor to Escaflowne I'll say that video games are a different creature from Anime. While it would probably be unreasonable of you to demand that the Anime change the ending it is important to note that nowhere did the creators of the anime make any promises about the ending. It is also important to note that it is very difficult for the creator of an Anime to completely retcon their ending because there really aren't very many systems in place for them to effectively do so whereas video games already have a very convenient system in place that allows them to easily rectify the situation in the form of DLC.

Which gives rise to the question: "Why did they even have to say anything about the ending in the first place?"

Yeah, anime =/= games, but for my example, I just wanted to compare the emotional investment that I went through with Escaflowne to the emotional investment that Mass Effect players put into the series. My favorite anime have been the ones where I care about the characters and what happens, that makes the ending very important to me. Mass Effect is the same way, especially after 3 games worth.
It is also possible to "fix" the ending of a game much easier than it is for an anime. For anime, fans will just make their own endings and you can adopt them as the "proper" ending if you want or not. Games can kinda do that, but not the same was as anime. Games have the potential for DLC endings, most DLC is essentially an addition to the story. A DLC ending is just a different portion of the story that they are adding to. I just don't think they should have to make a DLC ending, they should make it because they want to.

I will be making a big deal if the rumored DLC ending is free...

 

[Shinigami214]

Part of me is wishing EA would give gamers another lesson about the reality of business so they'll ***** about something else.

My god, I can't believe there are people out there not only willing but even anxious to see their rights as consumers get trampled on.

You, sir, might be willing to give up your rights as a consumer, but don't look down on others who aren't.

Btw - this so-called 'reality' of business only becomes 'reality' if we let it.

 

[Xenedus]

Moving away from that badly stretched metaphor to Escaflowne I'll say that video games are a different creature from Anime. While it would probably be unreasonable of you to demand that the Anime change the ending it is important to note that nowhere did the creators of the anime make any promises about the ending. It is also important to note that it is very difficult for the creator of an Anime to completely retcon their ending because there really aren't very many systems in place for them to effectively do so whereas video games already have a very convenient system in place that allows them to easily rectify the situation in the form of DLC.

Which gives rise to the question: "Why did they even have to say anything about the ending in the first place?"

Yeah, anime =/= games, but for my example, I just wanted to compare the emotional investment that I went through with Escaflowne to the emotional investment that Mass Effect players put into the series. My favorite anime have been the ones where I care about the characters and what happens, that makes the ending very important to me. Mass Effect is the same way, especially after 3 games worth.
It is also possible to "fix" the ending of a game much easier than it is for an anime. For anime, fans will just make their own endings and you can adopt them as the "proper" ending if you want or not. Games can kinda do that, but not the same was as anime. Games have the potential for DLC endings, most DLC is essentially an addition to the story. A DLC ending is just a different portion of the story that they are adding to. I just don't think they should have to make a DLC ending, they should make it because they want to.

I will be making a big deal if the rumored DLC ending is free...

Nobody is saying they are legally "required" to change the ending the fans are just voicing their current displeasure at the ending and requesting that the devs change it because it adversely effects their enjoyment of the game. It is also worth mentioning that it is economically feasible for a dev to pander to its audience with DLC considering they are in the the business of making money and it is simply a good business decision to appease your customers.

Even if Bioware/EA did release the DLC ending change for free (which I'm not saying they should) it would still end up making them money in the long run because it gets them both positive publicity and purchases them more goodwill from their core fanbase who are the ones who create positive buzz around their future products.

The whole argument is getting blown out of proportion because a bunch of people are insisting that appeasing your audience somehow devalues the game as a whole and that consumers should just shut up after they pay for something which both appear to be fairly short sighted arguments.


Also my point with the anime was that there was really nothing that the creator could do even if he DID want to change the ending at that point because the series was over and no company was going to give him money to remake the ending because they wouldn't get money from it whereas the situation with Mass Effect 3 is completely different because the creator CAN easily change and alter the ending and it is profitable for them in the long run to do so.

 

[Thoric485]

If it's just a service and soulless product, then you won't.

See, this is why i think EAware deserve everything that's coming to them.

They cut their games up for DLC, they insert fucktarded cameos, they develop them for less than 2 fucking years. There's a zero level of craftsmanship or genuine love vested into these products.

They don't treat their works like art, why should their fans?

 

[Shinigami214]

Here's why people are angry: (and seriously you really shouldn't comment on this if you haven't played/seen the ending as you quite literally have no clue what you are talking about)

First off false advertisement: here's a thread with a collection of quotes from the developers while they were trying to hype up the game that they straight up lied about. http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10405204/1


Second, Anyone who has played the ending knows that the ending renders virtually all your choices throughout the game completely void. People aren't angry because the ending wasn't happy it was the fact that the ending was a giant deus ex machina turd sandwich. It has already been said multiple times that the ending doesn't have to be happy or even successful for that matter but it has to be coherent and provide closure as that is kinda the whole point of an ending.

Third, the art defense is weak at best. Are you implying that art doesn't get criticism? Art is critiqued just as much any other medium and to suggest otherwise is insulting to art in general. The fans are justifiably upset by the ending and they are petitioning Bioware to change the obviously rushed ending to something more coherent because the fans believe that leaving the ending in its current state is harmful to the series as a whole.

Fourth, the "the whole game was the ending" defense doesn't work either. In a series like Mass Effect where the entire premise of the series is the player's actions have consequences and impact to have an ending that renders all of that null and void is unacceptable. There are games that are all about the journey itself and not the destination but Mass Effect is not one of them as it is not some generic shooter/platformer where the story is purely an excuse for the character to run out and kill some enemies.

These types of threads appear too often. Someone poses a question and it is eloquently answered. Then everyone ignores that answer and instead resorts to bickering with the replies they see faults in.

Please try to refute the above post, OP.

/signed.

 

[42]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Also as to the argument of artistic integrity it's bullshit. Bethesda did this with Fallout 3 when they made Broken Steel, no one swore at them and called them sellouts.

Here's a pretty good metaphor I saw on another forum:

An artist offers to paint you a picture of an apple if you pay him for it. He extols the many virtues of this apple picture repeatedly, and at great length, for months at a time. He makes you some very clear, totally unambiguous promises about what you can expect from his apple picture.

You're convinced, and so you agree to buy it. Maybe you paid for it a few months in advance, because you've enjoyed some of the other fruit paintings he's made in the past.

At last, your apple picture is finished. You pick it up, take it home, unwrap it...and it's a picture of a banana. And it's not a painting, either. When you examine it closely, you notice that it appears to have been hastily scribbled on a soiled Arby's napkin with a pink highlighter.

And when you complain that the artist did not deliver the apple picture you'd expected, he starts yelling, "Artistic integrity! ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!"

Even if the banana picture you received was the finest banana picture the world had ever seen, even if it had lovingly and painstakingly rendered on canvas by the hand of the God of Produce himself--and that is clearly not the case with this banana picture--the fact is, you didn't want a banana picture. It's not what you paid for. It's not what the artist spent all those months promising you. You have every right in the world to complain about the artist's work.

Frankly, you have every right to wonder if he has any integrity at all, artistic or otherwise.

And if, after you complain, he chooses to do nothing about it, you have every right to take your business to some other artist.

 

[Shinigami214]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

Whether Bioware mislead its consumers or not is not up for debate.

It is a *fact* that they did. One need only do basic research on these same forums for a collection of quotes, statements, and previews of how the game would end to know that they misled consumers.

The point is that if you're happy to let a company roll over your rights as a consumer, by all means, its your call.

Just don't expect others to be as submissive as you about it and hold back from seeing to it that their rights are respected.

Its more than 'just a fucking ending' - its an answer to games developers - indeed any company - who thinks it can release a product which does not meet up to the expectations created by its own advertising, that we as consumers won't put up with such half-assedness.

Its about having the self-respect to say: 'No goddamit. I paid good money for this product based on the promises you fed me about what the product would do. And I'll be damned if you think you can get away with taking my money while ignoring your end of the deal.'

If you still think 'whats the point', then there's no purpose in discussing this any further.

 

[Xenedus]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

Look at those quotes from their interviews... It's pretty obvious they lied. This isn't a case of the dev giving vague answers to questions this is flat out lies there really is no way around it. Just look up the quotes from their interviews they have been posted at least 3 times in this thread already.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Part of me is wishing EA would give gamers another lesson about the reality of business so they'll ***** about something else.

My god, I can't believe there are people out there not only willing but even anxious to see their rights as consumers get trampled on.

You, sir, might be willing to give up your rights as a consumer, but don't look down on others who aren't.

That's really interesting, as most of the games I buy lately are EA and BioWare games. And I have yet to feel my consumer rights violated in any way (then again, Canada has different rights for consumers than the US does).

This isn't a farmer charging you $40 dollars for a loaf of bread. Games are a luxury item. Luxury items fall under different consumer rights than most other products.

Also, this is the reality of business:

Executive A: We have our customers paying $60 for our games. Is there a way to get them to pay $70?

Executive B: Increase the price and see if they still buy it.

There you go gamers. That's a basic idea of how publishers work. Now you know exactly how to stop them. Ball's in your court.

CAPTCHA: Know Your Rights

That's eerie...

Sense has been made. Fed up of hearing people moan about their rights as a consumer, it's £40, why can't you just get on with your day? I've bought multiple bad games/games I didn't like and didn't ask for a refund on, but for some reason, because a game PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE GOOD had a bit of a bad ending, they think their "consumer rights" have been violated.

Honestly, when people say they have rights as a consumer I just get sick with the world. If £40 means that much to you, read a fucking review before spending.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I'm not sure when it became appropriate for someone to start a thread in the gaming forum that is just a straight up ad hominem attack directed at a portion of the community. Is this alright, now? Could I just draft up a thread entitled "Assholes" and sanctimoniously scold a cross section of people as befit the flavor of my moral outrage?

Putting aside for a moment that this is yet another ME3 thread warming over 3 week old arguments that could and should have been wrapped into an existing thread, I don't see any reason for this to exist except to generate conflict.

Reporting OP in hopes of a thread lock, not a warning, and reporting my own post so they'll know why.

 

[Xenedus]

Honestly, when people say they have rights as a consumer I just get sick with the world. If £40 means that much to you, read a fucking review before spending.

Funny you should mention that...

 

[Falcon123]

So a single developer that has a very close relationship with its fans did a complete one 180 on it's promises and then caved on modifying their product when it failed to live up to promised features. Not hype but things that were blatantly publicly promised. That isn't entitlement, that's saying you fucked up we want this fixed. At this rate I don't want games to be considered art, I pretty much want them to be all entertainment. Calling them art won't suddenly make them better, not being art won't make them suddenly shitty and regardless of what they're called people with a vision will still make "Art games" whether they qualify as art or not. No matter what they are they will stay the same, some will be crap, some will be awesome and quite frankly the ability to make crappy ones into something awesome by bitching about them is pretty sweet. Fuck artistic integrity bring on the awesome games.

Now, some people like me care about artistic integrity a lot, but even if you don't, I can't think consider this new ending a good idea. Think about it. Bioware is going to release "ME3: A Better Ending" as DLC, which means you'll be paying $10-$15 for an ending you already "deserved". If you buy this to make your game "better", then Bioware is getting $70-$75 of your dollars for what is essentially a $60 game (because what you will be buying is what you were promised to begin with), and they actually make a much higher profit margin (because developers reap a much higher percentage of DLC earnings).

So what's going to happen? Game developers will officially have a precedent that it is financially better for them to screw up the ending and get gamers to pay for it for DLC because they will make more money from it and people will pay it. If nothing else, you can't possibly tell me that getting one game to be slightly "better" because the last ten minutes will potentially make more sense (it's still impossible that they'll be able to make enough endings that everyone will be happy) is worth setting the precedent that will affect the consumer/developer relationship for years to come.

 

[Falcon123]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

Look at those quotes from their interviews... It's pretty obvious they lied. This isn't a case of the dev giving vague answers to questions this is flat out lies there really is no way around it. Just look up the quotes from their interviews they have been posted at least 3 times in this thread already.

Quotes from interviews are not guarantees; they're marketing ploys. Hell, they're not even that. Maybe Bioware really believes they gave you enough choices and answered enough questions. Maybe they changed their mind after the interview and didn't feel the need to give away the fact that they really wanted gamers to get to a certain point regardless of their decisions beforehand.

Peter Molyneaux said God knows how many things in interviews about his Fable games that never came to fruition, but people never got into an uproar like this. Look back at his quote before Fable 3, then play the game (rent it; it's not worth the buy). Does it live up to his promises? Hell no! It fails to hit most of them. But apparently that's just Molyneaux, so it's ok. I find this severely hypocritical that people let promises other developers make all the time, but because the Mass Effect series is actually good , breaking these promises might as well be a criminal offense the way people are taking it.

This is the saddest case of entitlement I've ever seen. This is a game that everyone agrees was nearly perfect for 99% of it. Hell, take away the ending, and everyone would be calling it the game of the year. But because people don't like the ending, Bioware's become the worst developers ever, even though a bad ME game is still better than most games out there.

Don't get me wrong; I get it. The ending sucked. Everyone's talked about why. But seriously? People need to get over it. Enjoy the game for what it is; there's still a ton to enjoy. Go write some fan fiction if you really feel a need for a definitive ending. And if you're really that offended by it, don't buy into Bioware's promises next time and have them prove that their next game is what they promise it will be. They'll learn the lesson when you vote with your wallet. This...just makes a lot of people seem really spoiled, even if it started from a valid place at some point

 

[Falcon123]

Also as to the argument of artistic integrity it's bullshit. Bethesda did this with Fallout 3 when they made Broken Steel, no one swore at them and called them sellouts.

Here's a pretty good metaphor I saw on another forum:

An artist offers to paint you a picture of an apple if you pay him for it. He extols the many virtues of this apple picture repeatedly, and at great length, for months at a time. He makes you some very clear, totally unambiguous promises about what you can expect from his apple picture.

You're convinced, and so you agree to buy it. Maybe you paid for it a few months in advance, because you've enjoyed some of the other fruit paintings he's made in the past.

At last, your apple picture is finished. You pick it up, take it home, unwrap it...and it's a picture of a banana. And it's not a painting, either. When you examine it closely, you notice that it appears to have been hastily scribbled on a soiled Arby's napkin with a pink highlighter.

And when you complain that the artist did not deliver the apple picture you'd expected, he starts yelling, "Artistic integrity! ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!"

Even if the banana picture you received was the finest banana picture the world had ever seen, even if it had lovingly and painstakingly rendered on canvas by the hand of the God of Produce himself--and that is clearly not the case with this banana picture--the fact is, you didn't want a banana picture. It's not what you paid for. It's not what the artist spent all those months promising you. You have every right in the world to complain about the artist's work.

Frankly, you have every right to wonder if he has any integrity at all, artistic or otherwise.

And if, after you complain, he chooses to do nothing about it, you have every right to take your business to some other artist.

You're right. You do have the right to take your business to another artist. But let's make this clear; 99% of ME3 is great, even according to the most aggravated complainers. You didn't get a banana when you were promised an apple. You got an apple that the artist decided to put a worm into (a definitive ending that didn't have player choice) instead of an apple without one (the multiple ending scenario). The artist wanted to say something with the painting, and he felt that adding the worm was the best way to do that, even if it didn't work. You didn't want the worm, you may hate the worms, but he still have you an apple (the majority of the game was on point Mass Effect with the tightest gameplay the series has ever seen and a mostly great story until the ending).

Some people are going to appreciate the artist's vision to include the worm in the painting. Some won't. Those who don't have decided they don't like that artist's vision. That's fine. Sell the piece, and don't give the artist any more of your money. But the artist made a choice that he was entitled to make. You're entitled to hate it, and entitled to not buy from him anymore. But paying him to redo the painting without the worm has removed his artistic vision, and financially incentivized him to screw up in the future so that he gets double the commission. I don't think that's what you really want, is it?

 

[coolbeans21]

Honestly, when people say they have rights as a consumer I just get sick with the world. If £40 means that much to you, read a fucking review before spending.

Really? Like all those 10/10, 9.5/10 reviews that were thrown out by the gaming press with no mention of the ending fiasco, that'll help wont it?

Think about what you just said "when people say they have rights as a consumer I just get sick with the world"

If you choose not to excercise your rights as a consumer, thats your choice, but don't demonize those who do.

If you don't excercise your rights, you will lose them, look at the discussion regarding the ME3 ending, you've a large number of people who think its ok for developers to lie to customers, because its not lying, its "hype".

 

[Shinigami214]

Bioware is going to release "ME3: A Better Ending" as DLC, which means you'll be paying $10-$15 for an ending you already "deserved". If you buy this to make your game "better", then Bioware is getting $70-$75 of your dollars for what is essentially a $60 game (because what you will be buying is what you were promised to begin with), and they actually make a much higher profit margin (because developers reap a much higher percentage of DLC earnings).

So what's going to happen? Game developers will officially have a precedent that it is financially better for them to screw up the ending and get gamers to pay for it for DLC because they will make more money from it and people will pay it. If nothing else, you can't possibly tell me that getting one game to be slightly "better" because the last ten minutes will potentially make more sense (it's still impossible that they'll be able to make enough endings that everyone will be happy) is worth setting the precedent that will affect the consumer/developer relationship for years to come.

Oh no.

So far I've been holding out on buying ME3 until I see how this plays out.

But if Bioware/EA think that they can come out with some 'its-ok-guys-we've-fixed-it' DLC and put a price tag on it, not only will I not buy ME3 or its DLC, but I'm pretty much done with Bioware/EA products across the board from now until the foreseeable future.

 

[anthony87]

at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence.

Evidence?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg

How about the fact that the ending of Mass Effect 1 can differ depending on your choices in-game?

Or how about the fact that the ending of Mass Effect 2 can differ depending on your choices in-game?

 

[Xenedus]

at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence.

Evidence?

How about the fact that the ending of Mass Effect 1 can differ depending on your choices in-game?

Or how about the fact that the ending of Mass Effect 2 can differ depending on your choices in-game?

I wouldn't waste your time. If this person hasn't seen the MULTIPLE quotes from devs posted all over this thread they are either trolling you or willfully ignorant or mentally deficient or some combination of the 3 and in any case not worth your time at this point.

 

[coolbeans21]

at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence.

Evidence?

How about the fact that the ending of Mass Effect 1 can differ depending on your choices in-game?

Or how about the fact that the ending of Mass Effect 2 can differ depending on your choices in-game?

I wouldn't waste your time. If this person hasn't seen the MULTIPLE quotes from devs posted all over this thread they are either trolling you or willfully ignorant or mentally deficient or some combination of the 3 and in any case not worth your time at this point.

Apparently Dev quotes dont count, they're just "hype" so have no requirement to be remotely factual.

Only advertising which appears in Nintendo power counts