ESA Survey Finds Nearly Half of All U.S. Gamers Are Female

Lightknight

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They'd never bother to publish a survey on the hours accumulated on various hardcore games by males vs females because obvious things that we already know aren't click-bait.
Or at least break it up by console and game genre along gender lines. There's no reason to believe that genders don't also express differences in preference of genre in the same way they do in movies.
 

Stefan Strelnieks

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People often complain that anyone could be considered a gamer if you look at it abstractly enough. However, since it's a survey it means that the people themselves are self identifying as gamers. I don't think there are too many people self identifying as gamers after a couple rounds of angry birds.
 

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without wanting to take away the "gamer" label from anyone, it WOULD be interesting to see a statistic like that excluding casual and mobile games. the closest thing i found was already a bit dated, from 2011, with females making out around 5%, depending on the genre (more role playing games than shooters, least in simulations, and so on).

one in twenty is a lot closer to what you can observe in "big" games than a 50/50 split.
 

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Eri said:
So much this. People who occasionally play Angry Birds are not gamers. They wouldn't even label themselves as such. Misleading data is misleading.
Then people need to stop bitching that casual gaming is "ruining" gaming.
 

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When you define gamer to include people who don't care about games much then of course you'll find results thst don't matter. I wanna see a percentage of how many of these people are ones that would deem gaming as a significant part of their life. That number is the meaningful one. Lots of old ladies having on occasion touched angry birds doesn't mean that my 2D anime fighting game tournaments will have 48% female entrants. Until women are actually accomplished as much as men are in ALL of gaming's stratosphere there won't ever be a meaningful population spread.
 

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So's my Mom. On the other hand, if she participated in an ESA study that ask her if she played games, she's say "No".
Well, I don't think we know what the ESA asked people. Which is another problem with their reporting; I don't think it's possible to find out what the surveys actually asked.

We don't know if the survey asked "Have you ever played a video game?", or "Have you played a video game in the last three months?" or "Do you play video games?".

At any rate, I'm not really angry about the ESA's survey. They try to make video games look good. But like the other recent thread about their reports (the one about 56% of parents believing that video games are positive for children, which was received, strangely, MUCH better than this one), making video games look good is the ESA's job. They are a lobby group. A lobby group for a thing that we like, sure, but I wouldn't trust their stats. Especially when I can't see how they got them.
 

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major_chaos said:
One thing to keep in mind is that these numbers probably have a lot to do with casual/mobile gaming. I think it would be interesting to see what the numbers look like if you filter out all the respondents who just play peggle/angry birds/cut the rope/ ect.
Or solitaire, or free cell, or minesweeper...

I think this video is relevant
I was three minutes in on this video before I turned it off because of how misguided the person who made it is. Who cares if my mom that plays Farmville qualifies as a gamer in these results? If AAA publishers start thinking that nearly half of gamers are female maybe then they'd broaden their view from solely Call of Duty. Not to say Call of Duty is a bad series, but when its influence is affecting things like the Resident Evil series, it's becoming a problem. Marketing Departments and Publishers are off the tracks right now and if a lie like this (if it even is a lie) can set them back to where they should be then I'm ALL for it. Does the guy that made this video call himself a "gamer?" Because, I swear, it blows my mind that a gamer would be so sour about something a video game lobbyist is lying about, unless he's a truth fanatic like Phoenix Wright and is willing to throw his own client in jail because he's guilty. Is a "gamer" willing to throw video games under the bus because game lobbyists aren't telling the truth? Lobbyists do things that would benefit their representatives; why on Earth would a "gamer" try to rebut this report? It's 100% positive news -- Truth or not.

A gamer is someone who purchases and plays video games as a hobby. It doesn't matter what genre of games you like or prefer, if you have enough money to buy a system and a couple of games, then you are a gamer.
Thank you, buddy. Egotistical "hardcore gamers" are the reasons I don't even call myself a "gamer" anymore. To them, a gamer is someone that plays games they like, because only those games are what make you a "gamer." Back in high school I was dating a girl that played video games for a hobby, but she wouldn't be considered a "gamer" because she played things like Maplestory, Neopets and Gaia Online (stuff that I [stubbornly] never got into). Now that Smart phones exist and iOS has a whole bunch of similar games she's probably playing those right now, but NOPE! She's still not a gamer because those games aren't REALLY games! Not to say all hardcore gamers are egotistical, but there's so much arrogance floating around there I feel it's best to avoid the whole situation.
 

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Steve Waltz said:
I was three minutes in on this video before I turned it off because of how misguided the person who made it is. Who cares if my mom that plays Farmville qualifies as a gamer in these results? If AAA publishers start thinking that nearly half of gamers are female maybe then they'd broaden their view from solely Call of Duty. Not to say Call of Duty is a bad series, but when its influence is affecting things like the Resident Evil series, it's becoming a problem. Marketing Departments and Publishers are off the tracks right now and if a lie like this (if it even is a lie) can set them back to where they should be then I'm ALL for it. Does the guy that made this video call himself a "gamer?" Because, I swear, it blows my mind that a gamer would be so sour about something a video game lobbyist is lying about, unless he's a truth fanatic like Phoenix Wright and is willing to throw his own client in jail because he's guilty. Is a "gamer" willing to throw video games under the bus because game lobbyists aren't telling the truth? Lobbyists do things that would benefit their representatives; why on Earth would a "gamer" try to rebut this report? It's 100% positive news -- Truth or not.
I have no clue, unless of course it's just the usual crowd of frightened nerds who are wary of their precious treehouse's sanctity being sullied by audiences other than the demographics their used to.

Thank you, buddy. Egotistical "hardcore gamers" are the reasons I don't even call myself a "gamer" anymore. To them, a gamer is someone that plays games they like, because only those games are what make you a "gamer." Back in high school I was dating a girl that played video games for a hobby, but she wouldn't be considered a "gamer" because she played things like Maplestory, Neopets and Gaia Online (stuff that I [stubbornly] never got into). Now that Smart phones exist and iOS has a whole bunch of similar games she's probably playing those right now, but NOPE! She's still not a gamer because those games aren't REALLY games! Not to say all hardcore gamers are egotistical, but there's so much arrogance floating around there I feel it's best to avoid the whole situation.
Indeed. The irony of the whole thing is that the people complaining about the ESA survey are engaging in what they complained about for years: snobbery and elitism. You'd think that people who suffered it from other mediums wouldn't engage in such behavior, but of course then reality rears its ugly, pock-marked head and I'm forced to admit that gaming STILL has a long ways to grow before it shakes off its awkward, puberty phase and grows up.
 

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Steve Waltz said:
I was three minutes in on this video before I turned it off because of how misguided the person who made it is. Who cares if my mom that plays Farmville qualifies as a gamer in these results? If AAA publishers start thinking that nearly half of gamers are female maybe then they'd broaden their view from solely Call of Duty. Not to say Call of Duty is a bad series, but when its influence is affecting things like the Resident Evil series, it's becoming a problem. Marketing Departments and Publishers are off the tracks right now and if a lie like this (if it even is a lie) can set them back to where they should be then I'm ALL for it. Does the guy that made this video call himself a "gamer?" Because, I swear, it blows my mind that a gamer would be so sour about something a video game lobbyist is lying about, unless he's a truth fanatic like Phoenix Wright and is willing to throw his own client in jail because he's guilty. Is a "gamer" willing to throw video games under the bus because game lobbyists aren't telling the truth? Lobbyists do things that would benefit their representatives; why on Earth would a "gamer" try to rebut this report? It's 100% positive news -- Truth or not.

Thank you, buddy. Egotistical "hardcore gamers" are the reasons I don't even call myself a "gamer" anymore. To them, a gamer is someone that plays games they like, because only those games are what make you a "gamer." Back in high school I was dating a girl that played video games for a hobby, but she wouldn't be considered a "gamer" because she played things like Maplestory, Neopets and Gaia Online (stuff that I [stubbornly] never got into). Now that Smart phones exist and iOS has a whole bunch of similar games she's probably playing those right now, but NOPE! She's still not a gamer because those games aren't REALLY games! Not to say all hardcore gamers are egotistical, but there's so much arrogance floating around there I feel it's best to avoid the whole situation.
In that first paragraph you highlight the problem, then ignore it entirely for the sake of harping on "hardcore gamers" or "the industry". Think about it not like gamers, but rather audience. Someone who plays FarmVille, no matter if you count them as gamers or not, is unlikely to play Dark Souls, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Mass Effect..or whatever else big series you want to look at. Each game has its audience because of its genre, as well as certain gameplay aspects of a certain game. Why should the industry try to get Farmville Players interested in CoD, or market it towards them? Why should games have to bend over backwards to include the "casual" or "female" element, or the "hardcore" and "male" for that matter? Genres exist and by definition are targetted towards an audience. First person shooters? Targetted at people who like First person shooters. Strategy? Its for people who like strategy.

How would you market a game like Civilization, Call of Duty, Europa Universalis or Mass Effect to people who play Farmville or Bejeweled on their iPhone? How would you market those games for "men" or "women"? Or for "casual" and "hardcore" respectively? Those are just variables, whether someone plays 20 hours a week or 5 hours a week differs from person to person. If you play solely one game, play very little of it comparatively and dont really care about the medium at large, then you are a casual gamer. If you devote a large part of your free time to it and generally care for gaming as a whole, you are a hardcore gamer, or a "Hobbyist" as it were. And gender is irrelevant because again, tastes differ there. Not all women like the same things. Same goes for men.

Why should you have to market it for them? Why do they matter? They are a potential audience of people playing games, yes, but they are not by default the same audience as the people who buy Madden yearly, or CoD. If you start thinking of "gamers" as a giant whole, as a single large audience that will buy your game, no matter its themes or genre, then you already failed at making a good game. Because not everyone is interested in CoD, or Farmville, or Bejeweled or..whatever. Tastes differ, the audience differs, make a game for the sake of making a game. If its good, the audience flocks to it by itself, but you dont have to lure them in somehow with half-baked efforts to reel in people who probably arent interested in those titles.
 

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I used this reports for an essay I wrote 2 months ago, and to give you some context, this has been happening over the last 6 years. It was "close to 50%" last year too. Maybe just a 1% less. Same for the previous years, and the one before that.

And as many people has already said, this is useless if we don't know how many time do each sex play on average, or how much do they spend each year. Which the study doesn't say (I hope it did).