I feel bad for California. My time there has shown me that it's a beautiful state with some very nice people. Too bad it's state government is so shite.
ESA Wants $1.1 Million From California
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I, on the other hand, see this as a $1.1M reason to kick stupid legislators out of office come election day. This isn't an organization stealing the lunch money from a bankrupt state. These are elected officials demonstrating the kind of idiocy that led California into debt in the first place. Don't like it (and live in California)? Vote the fuckers out.samsonguy920 said:
Also, I hate that my political view has become so cynical that I don't vote for people that I feel can do the most for us; I vote against people that I feel will do the most damage while they're in office.
I though the title was about the European Space Administration. I was really confused. It makes a lot more sense now.
Though I don't know if they'll have to fight for it long; California may be hugely indebted like the rest of the US, but their still wealthy enough to pay up no problem.
Though I don't know if they'll have to fight for it long; California may be hugely indebted like the rest of the US, but their still wealthy enough to pay up no problem.
Make Leland Yee pay it. He wrote the damn law in the first place, he should have to pay to defend it. Plus it would send a message to the California lawmakers. You write a stupid bill, be prepared to pay for it in cold hard cash.
Yeah, it's still taxpayer money, but at least it's taxpayer money already given to Lee.
Yeah, it's still taxpayer money, but at least it's taxpayer money already given to Lee.
Thank you, I was trying to remember his name. He championed the damn bill and wouldn't let it die when it should had. He should be the one to pay.RonHiler said:
My friend was a political science major and several of his classes actually discussed people who do nothing but make money from writing and trying to push through ridiculous legislation. His professor called it cancer in government.
If there was a way to make Leland Yee pay others wouldn't be so inclined to try to get shit passed into law.
I don't know, as a Texan I'd like to nominate my state officials for worst in the nation.The Grim Ace said:
But on topic though I think this is a long time coming, California should not have been pursuing this after they had clearly lost. They wasted their time and money along with the ESA's and need to face the consequences for that.
On the other hand, they already lost, should they have to pay the legal fees for the side that already won? Will that really help anything?
bout time california got punished for passing unconstitutional laws. (maby not the state it self but alot of the cities pass some major stupid laws)
Now THAT is how you do it. Don't just defend Free Speech. Go on the offensive! Those who attempt to restrict Free Speech need to be punished for their crimes. I completely support the ESA's attempts at doing just that, and I sure hope they win.
Free Speech has almost been unconstitutionally restricted on many cases. (And in some cases, it HAS. See "Christopher Handley".) We need to put a stop to laws like that being made. And the best way to prevent laws like that, is to make people AFRAID of passing them. If the ESA wins this case, I seriously doubt California will ever try to restrict Free Speech again. They'll be too scared of racking up another $1.1 million bill. I would be thrilled if Free Speech had fear on its side.
Free Speech has almost been unconstitutionally restricted on many cases. (And in some cases, it HAS. See "Christopher Handley".) We need to put a stop to laws like that being made. And the best way to prevent laws like that, is to make people AFRAID of passing them. If the ESA wins this case, I seriously doubt California will ever try to restrict Free Speech again. They'll be too scared of racking up another $1.1 million bill. I would be thrilled if Free Speech had fear on its side.
It will strongly discourage future attempts at bringing up the same thing.New Frontiersman said:
A few months ago there was a court case in Texas (I may be wrong about the state) in which a highschool cheerleader was allegedly raped by a boy at her school who happened to be on one of the teams. One way or another it was determined through the justice system that he was not guilty. She stuck to her guns and refused to cheer for him, and so she was removed from the cheerleading squad. Her family tried to sue the school, but it was determined that the cheerleading position is a mouthpiece of the school and not a place for her to have the freedom of expressing her own opinion, so she lost. So she tried to sue the school again in a different court. And she lost again. So she tried to take them to federal court, and she lost again, this time being forced to pay a large sum for "frivolous" attempts to pursue the same case. As far as I know she hasn't attempted again.
In the same way, it will stop, or at least discourage, California, and others, from attempting to pursue this case a third time (or however many times we are at).
Sure it is, but that's still the taxpayers' money that is better needed elsewhere.LANCE420 said:
Especially considering that everyone seem to be so afraid of countering the budget deficit with higher taxes. (And it makes the claim that the bill was a waste of tax payers' money to begin with sort of hypocritical.)
Mind you, I'm not saying ESA is wrong to want compensation for legal fees and such, but considering the bigger picture of the nation I think it ill-advised.
=\ I don't quite know how to feel. We fought and we won. Is the victory not enough? This is no time to start taking money from cashless states...
At the same time I understand that someone (or some many) had to pay the legal fees for the ESA.
I'm 60-70% just let it die. Don't kick a man when he is down...in a well...of fire....and doom.
The rest though, yea wants reimbursement for a trial that never should have happened.
At the same time I understand that someone (or some many) had to pay the legal fees for the ESA.
I'm 60-70% just let it die. Don't kick a man when he is down...in a well...of fire....and doom.
The rest though, yea wants reimbursement for a trial that never should have happened.
