Escape to the Movies: Interstellar - Doesn't Live Up To Its Own Name

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MrFalconfly

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Doesn't live up to its own name?!

That's some weaponsgrade bs.

This movie already redeemed itself with imagery like this.


The first time a Black Hole has actually been rendered as they might look if we travelled out there to see it with our own eyes. (Cygnus X1 might be a candidate)

They sure as hell don't look like this.

 

sumanoskae

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"Why won't they accept video games as a serious artistic medium"

I dunno, why won't they?















Maybe because they haven't played any.

I'm getting kind of sick of Bob acting like games still have something to prove; video games proved their artistic merit a long time ago, and nobody could deny that if they bothered to pay attention.

Holding COD up as an argument against games as art is ridiculous. What, because COD isn't high art, therefore other video games are excluded from being high art?

I suppose Transformers has undone all of history's great films by virtue of being popular and not as good as they were; from now on nobody will take film seriously, because now only Transformers exists.

Anyone still refusing to take video games seriously has their head up their ass.
 

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I went to see the Interstellar last night. My kids took my grandson to see Big Hero 6. They walked out of the theater gushing about how "it was a marvel movie" and how much I would have liked it. I walked out wondering how badly Bob was going to pan Interstellar.

He pretty much hit every point except for one: I saw most of the plot twists right from almost the start, and then had to sit through 140 minutes of movie to get to the reveals. Watchable but not good + long = worse.
 

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So the film could of been good but it got weighted down by the realism of scientify logic of space? That's good to know. Honestly I would of been more interested in the film itself if it was direct by Spielberg as intended.
 

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" but adhering as closely as possible to hard science: So we see wormholes, unexplored planets, singularities and even extra-dimensional space realized with unprecedented fidelity to what we can extrapolate they'd actually look like"

You know, the REAL sad part of it all? They STILL got most of the science WRONG.

Particularly the time dilation thing, which was such an important part of the plot...
 

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Daaaah Whoosh said:
I might still want to see this movie, if just for that whole "science fiction, but realism" thing. That sounds pretty cool, and I'm pretty easily fooled by failed attempts at emotion.
Yeah, I agree. I'm interested in the science info-dumps, and I'd like to see it. Then again I read a lot of hard SF.

I'm hoping the emotional stretches don't cripple the rest of it.
 

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I just got back from the movie, and I can't disagree more with what Bob is saying. This was the greatest movie I've seen this year. The effects, the acting, the scenario's. It felt like love was being made to my brain.

If you have even the smallest interest in sci-fi, you NEED to see this movie for yourself
 

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Roelof Wesselius said:
I just got back from the movie, and I can't disagree more with what Bob is saying. This was the greatest movie I've seen this year. The effects, the acting, the scenario's. It felt like love was being made to my brain.

If you have even the smallest interest in sci-fi, you NEED to see this movie for yourself
Definitely! The best film of the year and the best film in a long time.

I also just came back from seeing it and sure it has got flaws (i explains a bit too much to a presumed stupid audience who's incapable of wrapping their minds around good hard sci-fi), but as a whole - wow, just wow.

I found it deeply touching, awe-inspiring and beautiful. ALL THE FEELS made me overlook the small things that might be annoying to some. The soundtrack was apropriately dramatic - after all this is about the survival of our entire species, and things can not get too overly epic when that's what's at stake. This is sounding so pretentious, but I really felt it depicted the beautiful, flawed truth of human nature, our strengths and weaknesses.

It would have been just as good without the twist, but if Nolan wants to make it complex like he always does -okay, I can't complain when he's made such a strong, beautiful film.

This film really moved me deeply and I would recommend it highly. Sorry again if I sound like an idiot, but THE FEELS!
 

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Gamer87 said:
Roelof Wesselius said:
I just got back from the movie, and I can't disagree more with what Bob is saying. This was the greatest movie I've seen this year. The effects, the acting, the scenario's. It felt like love was being made to my brain.

If you have even the smallest interest in sci-fi, you NEED to see this movie for yourself
Definitely! The best film of the year and the best film in a long time.

I also just came back from seeing it and sure it has got flaws (i explains a bit too much to a presumed stupid audience who's incapable of wrapping their minds around good hard sci-fi), but as a whole - wow, just wow.

I found it deeply touching, awe-inspiring and beautiful. ALL THE FEELS made me overlook the small things that might be annoying to some. The soundtrack was apropriately dramatic - after all this is about the survival of our entire species, and things can not get too overly epic when that's what's at stake. This is sounding so pretentious, but I really felt it depicted the beautiful, flawed truth of human nature, our strengths and weaknesses.

It would have been just as good without the twist, but if Nolan wants to make it complex like he always does -okay, I can't complain when he's made such a strong, beautiful film.

This film really moved me deeply and I would recommend it highly. Sorry again if I sound like an idiot, but THE FEELS!
?Do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rage at close of day. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.?
This movie was pure ecstasy for me when I watched it. Not a moment went by when I wasn't enjoying the story, in tears or nearly having an awesome induced, brain overload.

"love transcends space and time." It sounds cheesy, but it's true! Love will always be with you, no matter where in space and time you are. It's not pseudoscience like Bob implied. It's a philosophical statement, that's one of the most beautiful things I've seen in any movie
 

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Roelof Wesselius said:
?Do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rage at close of day. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.?
This movie was pure ecstasy for me when I watched it. Not a moment went by when I wasn't enjoying the story, in tears or nearly having an awesome induced, brain overload.

"love transcends space and time." It sounds cheesy, but it's true! Love will always be with you, no matter where in space and time you are. It's not pseudoscience like Bob implied. It's a philosophical statement, that's one of the most beautiful things I've seen in any movie
That quote...! Goosebumps.

The cheesy bits about love was really good, but what really got to me was the frailty of our existence, the desperate struggle for mankind's survival, helped and hindered by our own nature. It gives some perspective and new appreciation for life and for love. I really hope we make it as a species.

It may be stereotypical philosophical stuff, but this was one of those movies that really makes you think, that makes an impact.
 

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I didn't have high hopes with this at all. It was so in your face that it created a ridiculous and unattainable levels of expectation.
 

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Just got back from watching it. You explained it perfectly when likening Christopher Nolan to a computer. If I was to say his movies lacked something it would be 'warmth' or 'happiness'. His movies are fantastic for the most part but also feel cold and sterile, like a machine made it instead of a person. This was a good attempt by him at making it emotional but yeah, it doesn't really work. The movie did feel bloated and the third act made no sense.

However, Inception is a weaker film than this *raises flame shield*
 

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The Deadpool said:
" but adhering as closely as possible to hard science: So we see wormholes, unexplored planets, singularities and even extra-dimensional space realized with unprecedented fidelity to what we can extrapolate they'd actually look like"

You know, the REAL sad part of it all? They STILL got most of the science WRONG.

Particularly the time dilation thing, which was such an important part of the plot...
It might have been wrong, but Nolan certainly wanted to show broad strokes of the stuff out there in space and unfortunately took some liberties. He wanted to show a black hole, but he didn't want give the characters proper propulsion to visit one and still visit a habitable place. He wanted them to struggle for fuel and energy. He wanted to show some fantastical but still viable alien planets (not that ridiculous "the sky is purple, therefore alien... just ignore the gases needed to have it purple"). He wanted to show the effects of dilated time and relativistic physics, but didn't want it to be a constant effect that close to the black-hole, but a situational hazard.

In fairness, I had much less trouble suspending my disbelief in this movie than many other Sci-Fi movies, INCLUDING 2001 (with which I always struggle to stay fully awake).

No magical unexplained gravity inside the ship? Check.

No "scientific discovery" leading directly to "instant practical application"? Check.

No evil robots because technology is evil? Check.

No evil technology because technology is evil? Check (it is implied the plague killing crops is naturally occurring and the resentment is more on the excesses of the past (current present) when they have so little than "technology killed us")

I can forgive the weirdly specific time dilation, what bothered me more was the ease with which they visited planets. They obviously needed tons of fuel to escape earth, so technology hadn't advanced that much (even though they were supposedly transporting more components to the main ship). And yet their Ranger shuttles could make planet fall and escape orbit multiple times without refueling. Especially because the gravity of the first one was 1.3 Gs. Meanwhile I could ignore how these planets could be so stable that close to a black hole (giant constant tsunamis on a water covered planet was still relatively tame, but it's proximity to the black hole really should have ruled it out altogether anyway, but you know, tension!)
 

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So Spacey is the new target because he's in a Call of Duty game?

I quite liked his role in AW. Very much like his role in House of Cards.
 

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SandroTheMaster said:
The Deadpool said:
" but adhering as closely as possible to hard science: So we see wormholes, unexplored planets, singularities and even extra-dimensional space realized with unprecedented fidelity to what we can extrapolate they'd actually look like"

You know, the REAL sad part of it all? They STILL got most of the science WRONG.

Particularly the time dilation thing, which was such an important part of the plot...
It might have been wrong, but Nolan certainly wanted to show broad strokes of the stuff out there in space and unfortunately took some liberties. He wanted to show a black hole, but he didn't want give the characters proper propulsion to visit one and still visit a habitable place. He wanted them to struggle for fuel and energy. He wanted to show some fantastical but still viable alien planets (not that ridiculous "the sky is purple, therefore alien... just ignore the gases needed to have it purple"). He wanted to show the effects of dilated time and relativistic physics, but didn't want it to be a constant effect that close to the black-hole, but a situational hazard.

In fairness, I had much less trouble suspending my disbelief in this movie than many other Sci-Fi movies, INCLUDING 2001 (with which I always struggle to stay fully awake).

No magical unexplained gravity inside the ship? Check.

No "scientific discovery" leading directly to "instant practical application"? Check.

No evil robots because technology is evil? Check.

No evil technology because technology is evil? Check (it is implied the plague killing crops is naturally occurring and the resentment is more on the excesses of the past (current present) when they have so little than "technology killed us")

I can forgive the weirdly specific time dilation, what bothered me more was the ease with which they visited planets. They obviously needed tons of fuel to escape earth, so technology hadn't advanced that much (even though they were supposedly transporting more components to the main ship). And yet their Ranger shuttles could make planet fall and escape orbit multiple times without refueling. Especially because the gravity of the first one was 1.3 Gs. Meanwhile I could ignore how these planets could be so stable that close to a black hole (giant constant tsunamis on a water covered planet was still relatively tame, but it's proximity to the black hole really should have ruled it out altogether anyway, but you know, tension!)
Actually, I had to take that back. Someone has pointed out that the black hole was ROTATING, which does make the math fit well enough for a movie.
 

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I just got back from this, and wow, I loved it. Sure, it gets more than a little far-fetched by the end, but I was simply swept up by the film. The story, the set pieces, some of the characters, all really engaging for me. And I only really felt that there was too much exposition when Coop first find the NASA base. That scene went on for way too long.
 

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mojopin87 said:
I really want this movie to be good. I will probably see it anyways just because I love this kind of sci-fi. But the thing that really bothered me from the review is the point about constant expository speeches undercutting the visual wonder of the film. Sounds like the movie didn't have enough faith in the audience to 'show' rather than 'tell' which always bugs me in this kind of movie.

Here's hoping Bob is exaggerating the movie's faults (although I am really sick at this point of Speilberg style schmaltz and knowing that this was originally his project puts a damper on my expectations) and if nothing else I can enjoy the sci-fi elements that DO work and the spectacle of it.
The movie did get a little hand-holdy when it came to relativity; but, come on, if ever there was a science fact that merited some dumbing down for the audience, relativity is probably it. Other than that though i never really felt like the movie was overly teachy. If your looking for a hard sci-fi film the first 140 minutes of Interstellar are probably the best hard sci-fi film i've ever seen, and then the last 20 minutes goes completely off the rails.

Casual Shinji said:
So does it have that annoying "THX" noise swell that every serious sci-fi movie seemingly needs to have nowadays?


Gravity had this shit, and the trailer for Interstellar was loaded with it as well. Apparently blasting uncomfortably loud noise at the audience constitutes for tension.
yes, aggressively. Granted i saw it in IMAX, so the regular version may not be as bad, but there were a few points in the movie (mostly in the first act) where the bass was so loud i couldn't even understand what the characters were saying. Multiple points in the movie the bass was so intense my entire seat and the floor was vibrating from it for solid 15-30 second stretches. The opening sequence, and the takeoff from earth were the two worst bits.
 

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TippiestRook said:
And to say it again if,people are going to criticise the Pay Your Respects scene then they must have laughed at this scene as well.
I did.

MarsAtlas said:
Great, now I can't get the idea of Neil DeGrasse Tyson bursting into the homes of writers with a whiteboard and markers to chastise them for getting things wrong in it. Its actually kind of hilarious when you do it with the right films.
Well, apparently the constellations in Titanic (I saw the video down the page, so I know you're aware of this) are still such a big deal that the bit I read (not too long before looking at this review, conveniently) on Dr Tyson's thoughts brings it up as having shamed the folks behind it.

Moral? Don't mess with Neil Fucking de Grasse Tyson, son!

Also, Gravity.

TippiestRook said:
I imagine him doing it while dressed up as Green Arrow.
Honestly, I think Green Arrow should do it dressed up as Dr Tyson.

WarpedLord said:
1) Nolan makes a new film
2) Nolan fanboys decide said film is a masterpiece before even seeing it
3) Critics who have actually seen the film point out that it's a good, but not perfect movie
4) Nolan fans take this as a personal slight and shout "Bias!!!!" and "Personal Vendetta!!!"
5) Cycle repeats every couple of years
I guess video games ARE like movies!

Or video game fans, at least.

But hey, they have a new excuse. This must be because of his Marvel comments. I should have known that was going to show up in here. Repeatedly.
 

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This is the best film I've seen all year. Those sequences with the worm hole and the black hole were incredible and how they get into some of the funkier planets (although they're nowhere NEAR as weird as other planets we've observed) is astounding. What really gets me is how much of it was done with practical effects.

Also, I find it funny how the black hole's 3D rendering actually gave Kip Thorne insight into black holes...to the point where there are now being PAPERS written about it:

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/astrophysics-interstellar-black-hole/

Oh yes, Interstellar might have introduced something new to astrophysics.