Escape to the Movies: Muppets Most Wanted - Not Easy Being Green

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Muppets Most Wanted - Not Easy Being Green

The Muppets are back, but MovieBob doesn't quite think they've got the right ideas on how to fit into modern-day comedies.

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TheRealCJ

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So it's a basic muppet movie for the 2010s. I can dig it. Muppet movies were never tying to be GOOD, just funny. If you aren't simultaneously groaning and clutching your head, AND laughing yourself into a stupor, it's just not a muppet movie. Probably not the best, but far from the worst.
 

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piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
He's not even green! Why call him the Green Goblin? At least have some dignity and use the Hobgoblin name there.
 

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I'm sorry, but am I the only person in the world that never really liked Peanuts?

Anyway, good review, Bob.
 

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That's what the new Green Goblin looks like? Wow, who came up with that?

I'll probably see this eventually, if not I'll probably get it on DVD.
 
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MowDownJoe said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
He's not even green! Why call him the Green Goblin? At least have some dignity and use the Hobgoblin name there.

Agreed! Ugh, he looks like the Goblin picture from Dungeons and dragons 3.5. And the "Green" goblin wears less Green the Blue Raja wore Blue.
 

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Jman1236 said:
Why must hollywood continue to kill my childhood?
Because Nothing is sacred to hollywood. not sure who said that, but hollywood does not care about what it has to destroy if it can make a cheap million off of it. Right now Nostalgia property = Big bucks in the eyes of big movie executives, it's why we got not one but 3 awful live action alvin and the chipmunks movies and two equally awful Smurfs films. For now, I can only be optimistic since it's being made by blue sky studios which has mad mostly decent movies.
 

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All Bob said sounded great to me. I now want to see this movie. It seems that the only worry he had about the movie doesn't even concern the movie itself. It's more like some anxiety driven rant about the series' new direction. About the fate of the uncertain future. We'll deal with it, when it happens. In the present, the movie Bob described to me sounded clever, heartfelt and amusing.
 

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piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Agree.

I get it, MovieBob hates the new Spiderman and is going to attack at every minutia of it like it was a personal affront, but I don't think the new Goblin is that bad. At least he looks better than a cheap plastic mask of the Wicked Witch with yellow acetate paper on his eyes...
 

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Blast, I was hoping you'd review the mess that os Divergent. I'm glad the Muppets are at least fun.
 

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hermes200 said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Agree.

I get it, MovieBob hates the new Spiderman and is going to attack at every minutia of it like it was a personal affront, but I don't think the new Goblin is that bad. At least he looks better than a cheap plastic mask of the Wicked Witch with yellow acetate paper on his eyes...
Like how he does in the comics? Yeah, god forbid.
 

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King Whurdler said:
hermes200 said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Agree.

I get it, MovieBob hates the new Spiderman and is going to attack at every minutia of it like it was a personal affront, but I don't think the new Goblin is that bad. At least he looks better than a cheap plastic mask of the Wicked Witch with yellow acetate paper on his eyes...
Like how he does in the comics? Yeah, god forbid.
Green makeup would have been closer to the comics. Instead he goes with a hard plastic mask that looks cheap. Unmasked Green Goblin (William Dafoe) looks maniacal and dangerous; masked Green Goblin looks ridiculous and cheap...

And there is a reason why most comic book movies have moved past having their characters dress like their comic book counterparts (thanks to that the X-Men cast doesn't look like they are dressed in multicolored spandex wearing plastic accessories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X_(film))
 

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To be fair while the new Green Goblin looks awful, Sam Raimi dropped the ball in that regard to. I think Weird Al said it best "...he's wearin' that dumb Power Rangers mask, but he's scarier without it on!"
 

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I second your "Do not F*** this up" on your opinion of the Peanuts movie, Bob. Especially seeing that, being a Minnesotan, I do NOT want to see the works of homestate favorite Charles Schultz go bad.

BTW...while I'm here, I have to give you bonus points for the VR Troopers reference in your latest Game Overthinker.
 

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Hmm... Interesting points Bob made... Still want to see this movie, regardless.
 

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hermes200 said:
King Whurdler said:
hermes200 said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Agree.

I get it, MovieBob hates the new Spiderman and is going to attack at every minutia of it like it was a personal affront, but I don't think the new Goblin is that bad. At least he looks better than a cheap plastic mask of the Wicked Witch with yellow acetate paper on his eyes...
Like how he does in the comics? Yeah, god forbid.
Green makeup would have been closer to the comics. Instead he goes with a hard plastic mask that looks cheap. Unmasked Green Goblin (William Dafoe) looks maniacal and dangerous; masked Green Goblin looks ridiculous and cheap...

And there is a reason why most comic book movies have moved past having their characters dress like their comic book counterparts (thanks to that the X-Men cast doesn't look like they are dressed in multicolored spandex wearing plastic accessories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X_(film))

Ya... all the good comic book movies don't have their characters look anything like the comics... except Iron Man... and Thor. and Captain America. All of which have way better costume design than the X-Men movies, in which the costume design mentality seemed to be "its the year 2000 and we wish we were making a Matrix movie so lets just put everyone in black leather"

True many characters in recent marvel movies have donned the "ultimate" version of their respective costumes like Hawkeye and Falcon. SO let's take a look at ultimate green goblin: http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/3/3f/Ultimategoblin-markbagley.jpg

Hmmmm.... not even close
 

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That's not the Green Goblin, that's possessed Bilbo Baggins!

Mr Ink 5000 said:
I like Gervais, but had to stop following him on Twitter because he is annoying at the same time
Gervais has always walked the line of snarky and out right c*ntish, I really like his observational humour and his writing can be pretty funny but sometimes I just wanna slap him.
 

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Blue Sky Studios is doing a Charlie Brown Movie? Oh, please don't screw it up.... No, I don't really care for Charlie Brown, but I really admire Blue Sky. They made Rio, and Ice Age, two series I love. Rio happens to be one of my top faves. I've seen every movie (except one) that Blue Sky has done, and enjoyed all of them. PLEASE don't lose it now...
 

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If this is half as good as the muppet reboot, I'll be super pleased to watch it. I'm not that big a fan of "the big muppet caper" but that's probably because I watched it in 2013 for the first time. Looking forward to this
 

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All I know is I Fucking love the Muppets, and nothing will stop me enjoying this film!
If there was a Muppets Sherlock Holmes I would practically drop everything to devote my life to out!
 

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If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Madhouse own the rights to the Peanuts? Why is Blue Sky making the new one?
 

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Might see it if friends go, not the biggest Ricky Gervais fan, but I can put up with him for something like this I think.

marioandsonic said:
I'm sorry, but am I the only person in the world that never really liked Peanuts?
Nope, I'm not a fan either. Ended up having to watch some of it with family on christmas and such when I was younger. I tried to like the comic as well but it never sat right with me either, so no, you're not alone.
 

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Ukomba said:
Blast, I was hoping you'd review the mess that os Divergent. I'm glad the Muppets are at least fun.
He did. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/moviebob/11176-Divergent-More-Like-Why-Vergent] Only, in written form, right here on the site.

OT: I know many people dislike Ricky Gervais for being a bit of an arrogant wanker, but I quite like him. Then again, I'm not exactly saturated by exposure to him, so maybe that's why I'm not tired of his persona. I also very much enjoyed the previous Muppet movie; all in all, this one sounds very good to me!
 

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Mr.Tea said:
Ukomba said:
Blast, I was hoping you'd review the mess that os Divergent. I'm glad the Muppets are at least fun.
He did. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/moviebob/11176-Divergent-More-Like-Why-Vergent] Only, in written form, right here on the site.

OT: I know many people dislike Ricky Gervais for being a bit of an arrogant wanker, but I quite like him. Then again, I'm not exactly saturated by exposure to him, so maybe that's why I'm not tired of his persona. I also very much enjoyed the previous Muppet movie; all in all, this one sounds very good to me!
I am aware of and have read that. I was hoping for a video review, obviously. I guess he can go on a longer rant in text form, but it isn't as entertaining of as visible. The writing in the books is so bad that I want the.first movie to crash and burn so hard they don't make any more
 

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MovieBob said:
Muppets Most Wanted - Not Easy Being Green
I was with you right up until the "Don't f**k this up" at the end. Do you really think it is possible for FOX to *not* f**k up Peanuts? Why would they make it CG if they weren't planning on giving it the full Smurfs treatment? This is the American movie industry we're talking about. If you know something we don't that gives you even a faint glimmer of hope, I'd sure like to know what it is.
 

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hermes200 said:
King Whurdler said:
hermes200 said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Agree.

I get it, MovieBob hates the new Spiderman and is going to attack at every minutia of it like it was a personal affront, but I don't think the new Goblin is that bad. At least he looks better than a cheap plastic mask of the Wicked Witch with yellow acetate paper on his eyes...
Like how he does in the comics? Yeah, god forbid.
Green makeup would have been closer to the comics. Instead he goes with a hard plastic mask that looks cheap. Unmasked Green Goblin (William Dafoe) looks maniacal and dangerous; masked Green Goblin looks ridiculous and cheap...

And there is a reason why most comic book movies have moved past having their characters dress like their comic book counterparts (thanks to that the X-Men cast doesn't look like they are dressed in multicolored spandex wearing plastic accessories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X_(film))
So the main problem with the Green Goblin is he's incredibly difficult to transfer to film?

OT: I don't worry about most things about the Muppets, just that they be funny. If they can do action packed stunts as well, all the better. I was not expecting Sam the Eagle to get more screen time, but it works for me.
 

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piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Asking Bob not to beat a dead horse is like asking EA to stop making shitty games. I look forward to hearing about how much he hates the new Green Goblin in his 2015 movie reviews.
 

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hermes200 said:
King Whurdler said:
hermes200 said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
Agree.

I get it, MovieBob hates the new Spiderman and is going to attack at every minutia of it like it was a personal affront, but I don't think the new Goblin is that bad. At least he looks better than a cheap plastic mask of the Wicked Witch with yellow acetate paper on his eyes...
Like how he does in the comics? Yeah, god forbid.
Green makeup would have been closer to the comics. Instead he goes with a hard plastic mask that looks cheap. Unmasked Green Goblin (William Dafoe) looks maniacal and dangerous; masked Green Goblin looks ridiculous and cheap...

And there is a reason why most comic book movies have moved past having their characters dress like their comic book counterparts (thanks to that the X-Men cast doesn't look like they are dressed in multicolored spandex wearing plastic accessories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X_(film))
Yeah, and the trade-off we got was totally worth it. Black on black leather that's barely distinguishable and makes them look more S&M light than bad-ass mutant heroes? Totally better.

Look, the Green Goblin costume in the Sam Raimi directed films looks a bit goofy, but this looks like one of the Dam dolls in 'Nolan-Batman' armor; dark colors and a thousand little pieces. In other words, he's got a silly face, and a totally uninteresting suit, at least Willem Defoe stood out.
 

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I was initially interested in seeing Muppets when the trailer first hit way back when, but as I saw it more and more, the shine quickly faded, to the point that the last time I saw the trailer, I was actually having a negative reaction to it. Also, Bob? It's Walter, not Walt. And that was basically the first words out of my mouth when I saw the Peanut's teaser the other day...
 

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You know what with the Peanuts trailer? You can assume it's not going to get screwed up, but here's the thing: the trailer actually caught the spirit of Peanuts, IMO.

You have Charlie Brown, who constantly gets upstaged by his comically pain-in-the-ass dog (if you don't think Snoopy was a pain-in-the-ass, you weren't paying attention), but that's okay, because Snoopy's still the boy's best friend (and I'm a HUGE dog person, so dogs-as-best-buddies is a trope that is hard to screw up with me).

I get how people may not like Peanuts, the same way people don't like, say The Prairie Home Companion or Norman Rockwell. It's not bitingly clever (like Calvin and Hobbes), the artwork and writing are simple and unchallenging, and its old-fashioned sensibility either works for you or doesn't. That's OK. It brought a smile to my face.

Topic? I hope if Bob is correct, this is the end of Disney trying to make Walter "happen". I've never seen a Muppet I've hated...like, at all, really.
 

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King Whurdler said:
Yeah, and the trade-off we got was totally worth it. Black on black leather that's barely distinguishable and makes them look more S&M light than bad-ass mutant heroes? Totally better.
Barely distinguishable at all, except for the completely different faces and powers and all. And it's not like the amazing action sequences helped make them look like bad-ass heroes either. No, because they all wore black leather, everything was ruined.

Look, the Green Goblin costume in the Sam Raimi directed films looks a bit goofy, but this looks like one of the Dam dolls in 'Nolan-Batman' armor; dark colors and a thousand little pieces. In other words, he's got a silly face, and a totally uninteresting suit, at least Willem Defoe stood out.
A clown would also stand out. Gaudy does not equal more interesting. Like "quirks" they're just intended to be cheap ways to make a character seem more interesting than they actually are. Judging a character based solely on their appearance is just sad, especially for a movie critic
 

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irishda said:
King Whurdler said:
Yeah, and the trade-off we got was totally worth it. Black on black leather that's barely distinguishable and makes them look more S&M light than bad-ass mutant heroes? Totally better.
Barely distinguishable at all, except for the completely different faces and powers and all. And it's not like the amazing action sequences helped make them look like bad-ass heroes either. No, because they all wore black leather, everything was ruined.

Look, the Green Goblin costume in the Sam Raimi directed films looks a bit goofy, but this looks like one of the Dam dolls in 'Nolan-Batman' armor; dark colors and a thousand little pieces. In other words, he's got a silly face, and a totally uninteresting suit, at least Willem Defoe stood out.
A clown would also stand out. Gaudy does not equal more interesting. Like "quirks" they're just intended to be cheap ways to make a character seem more interesting than they actually are. Judging a character based solely on their appearance is just sad, especially for a movie critic
1. I don't remember actually ever saying anything of the sort. I'm pretty sure I just commented on the fact that the costumes in Singer's X-Men movies were boring as fuck and COMPLETELY indistinguishable from one another, possessing absolutely zero personality. But, thanks for putting words in my mouth nonetheless. I just don't know what I would do without you, you glorious messiah of the people.

2. Because movies totally aren't a visual medium, and they totally don't regularly give out awards for best costume/clothing in film, right? It's also not as if Bob if one of a million critics who do the same god-damn thing. Oh, and while we're at it, I also don't think a costume has EVER helped define a hero or villain in a comic book, like, ever.
 

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Just got back from a late showing.

At the end of the day I enjoyed Muppets: Most Wanted significantly more than its predecessor. (If nothing else, Most Wanted at least remembers that when we pay to see The Muppets we pay to see The Muppets, not the Jason Segel/Amy Adams musical review with occasional backup by a Muppet or two.)

While it's true that the plot isn't anything groundbreaking, the jokes hit more often than they miss, the songs are fun and the Muppets spend most of the film doing what the Muppets have always done best, lamp-shading popular culture and genre stereotypes in a way that manages to never come off as cynical or mean spirited.


Also, any movie willing to spend a few minutes of precious screen time on a well crafted Duck Soup homage is pretty much a win in my book.
 

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I like Ricky Gervais but not enough to pay money to watch a muppet movie.

Also. That Green Goblin looks pretty bad ass. I like it. :)

Why are you always such a hater Bob?
 

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omegawyrm said:
piscian said:
Green goblin looks fine bob let it go.
That was the green goblin? I thought it was Feyd-Rautha with warts on his face.
Glad I'm not the only one who expected the goblin to break into song.
 

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Am I the only one that just wants a return to the TV show? I miss that show, it was awesome.
 

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Diddy_Mao said:
Also, any movie willing to spend a few minutes of precious screen time on a well crafted Duck Soup homage is pretty much a win in my book.
I assume you're referring to the mirror joke, which I feel the need to tell you is much older than the Duck Soup performance. The first film I can think of having it is Floorwalker starring Charlie Chaplin, which came out in 1916. There's even a play from 1894 called My Friend From India which has a mirror routine in it. Though Groucho's performance is definitely one of my favorites.
 

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I took my daughter to see this over the weekend and this was hard to watch. The singing stunk for the most part and it was hardly funny. They missed the mark WIDE with this one. Not every movie needs a sequel (they even sung a song about it) and while Jason Segel's reboot was surprisingly good, unsurprisingly this was not.
 

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I was surprised that Bob seemed to consider this one inferior to the reboot it's a sequel to. I just got back from seeing it and I honestly liked it quite a bit better than the first. I don't particularly find the whole "are the Muppets relevant" thing to be an issue. I don't think going to see a movie that's just an excuse for a bunch of fun musical numbers and gags is ever really irrelevant. Plus the songs were overall better than in the first movie, which had a couple standouts but mostly didn't work for me. This time around I felt like they were all hits, and they mined a lot of humor from the gulag setup and from Constantine pretending to be Kermit. I thought the whole thing worked beautifully.

I don't like Ricky Gervais or Tina Fey as people, but I was fine with their acting in the movie. I can see how Ricky Gervais might annoy the hell out of some people but he's well-used here and doesn't hog screen time, plus he's supposed to be kind of a smarmy jerkoff in the story.