Escape to the Movies: Predators

Not G. Ivingname

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MovieBob said:
Well, at very least it sounds like it is FAR ahead of most of the old 80's reboot junk that we been getting (AvP, the adaptions of cartoons, every horror movie platium Dunes has raped), and it isn't scared to have a R rating and USE IT.
 

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ColdStorage said:
Hi MovieBob, could you stop ragging on Twilight, its flawed yes... not every single piece of literature is The Divine Comedy, if you hate anything enough you will find flaws because your looking for them.

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Fair enough, although I was waiting for a review or critique of Predators, not a sudden "hold on I've just realised another reason why you should hate Twilight", if this was a Twilight review I could understand.

But its not, its either MovieBob is acting like he's a fanboy of a console and bitching about its main rival or he ran out of things to actually say about Predators.

Robert Ebert as far as I know didn't stop half way during a review and start bitching that Universal Soldier 2 is a pile of arse (it is, Universal Soldier 1 however is pure gold).
True, however it did kinda tie in with him saying that twilight scene was a bad example of crap writing and explaining that Predators didn't have that problem. I will admit that he should have tied it in a bit better but i don't see anything wrong with mentioning it in other reviews as a reference point to what NOT to do with a movie/book.
 

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I swear, every time Bob drops politics into his professional critic work, I want to step on his neck.
Gotta agree. I enjoy the reviews (mostly) but when Bob peppers in the politics its just lame. No one cares about his politics. This time it was pretty half hearted - "I don't get hunting" and a swipe at the Motor City Madman? Yawn.
 

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I saw Predators. The original Predator film is on my top 10 best movies ever because it combined great action scenes, a genuinley scary monster (The first time you see that face, it's scary), good special effects, decent acting and a plethora of great shots.

Predators does everything it can to emulate the first movie-it has a lot of the same shots and scenes, it takes place in a jungle, there's a minigun etc. However, Predators misses out on a key factor of what made the first movie great-Characterisation. You knew the names of every member of the squad in the first movie and what they're personality was like. When they died, you genuinley felt for them. Predators has none of that. Three of the 7 characters are given names and the two leads are named at the end of the movie, which is easily the worst decision in script writing since the decision to not burn the script to AvP 2.

The action scenes are great as are the special effects, but Predators comes off as trying too hard. It has so many things in common with the first film in the series that what could have been neat references for fans of the franchise turns into the same scenes in different order and zero character development. Predators is the second best film in the franchise, but that's only because all the others (except the first one) are dreadful.

6/10
 

Sonicron

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Pretty much spot-on. A silly, over-the-top monster action sci-fi B-movie that doesn't take itself overly seriously and is overall just damn fun to watch.
 

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Souplex said:
Am I the only one who was hoping Chris Hansen would be one of the protagonists? Who has more experience against Predators than him?
Chris Hansen v. Predator...holy shit that would make an awesome movie. If he were the main protagonist of Predators that would have been one of the greatest, and funniest, jokes in the history of mankind.

Anyway, I've been looking forward to a good Predator flick for a while and I'm now more psyched about it than I was before. I really can't wait to see this.
 

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I am gonna try and see it, your review has just made me more determined.

I think that after 1 and especially 2 the series lost it's way, good to see a return to what made the series great.
How can a series start going downhill before it was a series? Besides, technically, it would be a bad movie if it was bad at 1. And how can a new idea lose it's way at the first production of the idea?

OT: Great review Bob, but stop the twilight hate. I don't care about, I won't see it, and I bet the majority of this site agrees. Let's move on to other movies.
OK, about the tribal thing:
They are adolescent predators, that is all we have seen (out of AvP, the one with the HUGE cannon was an adult, and only then a "blooded' hunter has to guide "un-blooded" (trainees) on a Xenomorph hunt") and they undergo a hunt where they get a trophy. This trophy is necessary to make them the equivalent of a man in their culture. Female predators are usually much larger, and, for some odd reason, stay at the settlements. The tribe setting is probably due to rituals that have gone on for the entire lifespan of the species. New technology doesn't change the primal instincts, which is all a predator is. All social status depends on how successful one is at hunting, and trophies=power (Alien head, human spine etc.). Tribe leaders can be challenged, but they are usually the strongest and toughest.
Ultimately, Predators seem uncorrupted by new technology, instead obeying the laws of their ancestors, a trait humans don't show.

Gee, I read way to many predator novels to know this....
 

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Wait, THAT'S the new Spider-Man? He looks Robert Pattinson, only less ugly. Or maybe that's just because of that picture you showed us.

I just love picking on Twilight, because I just hate it so much, and I love finding more and more reasons why it sucks!
 

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Yes! Predators! I am so going to see that in under a couple of hours. I'm glad that this snuck up on us, because it just means surprise awesome.

And I didn't even mind the extra comments on Eclipse (because I also despise it). Thanks for the info, Bob!
 

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So Bob's take is that Predators is a decent action movie but lacks a message or theme. I have not seen the film but I can understand this. I'm not sure if the proposed themes bob gives in the video would work as they're too on the nose. But let me back up a bit.

Since Predators is the Predator version of Aliens, it warrants looking at that film. Aliens does have the theme/message/subtext/whatever of motherhood. This is because Cameron was given the job of writing the sequels to both First Blood and Alien in a short space of time and needed to bang out both scripts very quickly. Rambo: First Blood Part II was augmented by Stallone himself. Remember when he was known as a writer? Aliens, conversely was helped along because Cameron had a script in his trunk titled "Mother" that he was able to retool into a sequel to Alien.

The motherhood theme was picked up on by audiences at the time. I recall Sigourney Weaver was named mother of the year by some magazine or something.This theme enhanced the experience beyond just the action/horror film, giving the characters stronger motivations for doing what they do and tying the whole thing together as a conflict between two mothers, Weaver's Ripley and the alien queen.

Interestingly, many scenes were cut out of the theatrical version of the film, including scenes meant to enhance this element of the plot, such as Ripley having a daughter on Earth who had died of old age in the time she was lost in space. The fascinating thing about these cut scenes is just how unnecessary they are. I would argue they even weaken the theme a little by beating the audience over the head with it. It is better that Ripley forms a motherly bond with the young girl, Newt, without this backstory.

Looking at how Aliens did this, as accidental as the circumstances that in managed to do what it did may be, we can look at the Predator franchise and see if something similar can be gleaned from it.

Bob's suggestion was to examine the douchebaggery of trophy hunters. I think this would be a mistake. This would be like making a Psycho movie where Norman Bates gets over his mommy issues and get married, has kids and lives happily ever after. A franchise tends to have certain things that occur in them and define them. To openly question them in this manner would undo the franchise. Take away the predators' hunter/sportsman culture and you've just got crab-faced monsters gargling in your face. That's what's interesting about the predators. You can't examine that too deeply or it might crumble and take the whole thing with it.

Aliens had an easier time finding something to develop a theme as there was a very obvious money shot with the creature bursting out of a man's chest. In fact, that's scene is probably the main reason the movie was made. The producer Walter Hill hated the script but liked that scene because he figured it was something unique. That seems to be Hill's main way of judging a script, to look for an interesting scene. Look at Hill's own 48 Hours. That movie is largely forgettable except for the scene where Eddie Murphy stares down an entire bar with nothing but Nick Nolte's badge and an attitude. Anyway, the chestburster scene had obvious implications of motherhood that could be developed further in a sequel.

Predator doesn't have such a pivotal money shot, so we'd have to dig a bit deeper to find something. I don't know what. It could have something to do with honor or sportsmanship and how these things could still work when facing prey while using distinct technical advantages like infrared vision, invisibility devices and laser-guided blaster guns. Is it really sporting to use such things?

I'm just rambling at this point. but Bob's notation that Predators lack the overarching theme that Aliens had has me wondering what would make a good theme for a Predator movie and how would that best be applied.
 

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I was not expecting that. I mean how could I have missed that Machette (and no I don't care if that is his real name) is in this movie.
Yeah, I mean, Danny Trejo? Fuckin' awesome! He alone makes Predators a must-see.
 

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God damn, that's two must sees for this summer now.

Toy Story 3 AND Predator... lol, on the same day just to weird people in the theater out too.

Also, above poster has an awesome avatar.
 

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Ah MovieBob, I have been secretly afraid that your episodes will get repetetive and dull over time, but in every show you come up with something new and unexpected. Keep up the amazing work!

Also, LOL at Chris Hansen :p

Have a seat.
 

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soapyshooter said:
Saving my money for Inception.
Nice review as always =D

[sub][sub][sub]Torrents for the WINNNN![/sub][/sub][/sub]
Quick heads up, remove the torrents part, I got suspended for mentioning those once.

I watched predator 2 a few eeks ago, it does feel as if there should have been another film between the two.