Escape to the Movies: Riddick
- Thread starter MovieBob
- Start date
I'd still recommend Chronicles of Riddick as a worthy candidate for Movie Defense Force. It wasn't an oscar-winner, but for me it was a fun ride with some nice action scenes, a big universe, interesting sets (especially the prison planet, easily the highlight of the movie), etc. The one-liners were a tad annoying and the whole "wooo badass is badass" thing was way too over-played, but it was still watchable and ended on a pretty decent cliffhanger:
...so when Bob tells me that the new movie has no explanation of what happened after Chronicles, I'm a little pissed. Sorry but...WHAT? An entire evil galactic empire with gigantic fleets of ships and magic-powered technology wasn't a big enough deal to continue with? What the fuck did Riddick do after the last movie, just grab a ship and fly away with the entire empire's attention on him?
You know what, screw spoilers, I'm going to dig up the plot of Riddick and see if it's even worth my time.
Riddick slays Lord Marshal (with Kyra's help) and is therefore automatically the new Necromonger leader due to their "you keep what you kill" rule, but at the cost of Kyra's death. Commander Vaako and Dame Vaako are furious, left with no choice but to bow down to Riddick.
You know what, screw spoilers, I'm going to dig up the plot of Riddick and see if it's even worth my time.
The tragedy of Riddick is that I'm not entirely sure Vin gets why fans liked Riddick in Pitch Black. Riddick was great in Pitch Black, and subsequently the animated sequel and Escape From Butcher Bay game, because you never fully understood what was going on in his head. One moment you swear he's gonna gut the survivors in Pitch Black as bait, next he's trying desperately to save their dumb asses. And then you have his unusual attachment with Jack. Riddick's character had a bit of that "generic badass" machismo, but he had an endearing unpredictablity to him that felt like he was an actual person with motivations, not a "meat golem" as Bob called him.
I really wanted this to be good, because Chronicles was pretty damn stupid, but I still like the idea of Riddick from Pitch Black and Butcher Bay. Why couldn't we just get a movie based on Butcher Bay or Dark Athena?
I really wanted this to be good, because Chronicles was pretty damn stupid, but I still like the idea of Riddick from Pitch Black and Butcher Bay. Why couldn't we just get a movie based on Butcher Bay or Dark Athena?
Here:Yuuki said:
Isnt as cool as Peter Chung's animation Dark Fury but it explains things.
I still havent seen it but I highly doubt its like that, he probably hits on her, she says she is a lesbian and he being Riddick probably keeps hitting on her because he is just that good. Not going after the "fuck you straight" but after the "I am so good that for me its worth it, the other guys just dont know how to pleasure you", the idea isnt that after he fucks her she is no longer lesbian, the idea is that he is the exception because he is that good.Farther than stars said:
At least thats what I think it probably is as it fits the character since it wouldnt be the first time he acted like that (not related to sexuality though).
If Im wrong then they really went after a really dumb idea.
Wait... She's not actually gay? I'm going to be little miffed if I got this feminist lesbian outrage worked up over nothing.teamcharlie said:
A woman that chooses to lie about her sexuality to discourage unwanted attention? Around a bunch of horny macho testostercannons? You mean like some women at the gym just trying to get a workout? WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!
No, No. Clearly she's gay. People must die for this.
That's what's misogynistic about it though. Essentially that's him saying: "Don't you worry your pretty little head about your sexual orientation. Let 'the man' figure out what you really want." On top of being incredibly chauvinistic, it's also just plainly arrogant. Never trust a man who touts his abilities more than his actions prove them.josemlopes said:
And I can't stress this enough: in this case those abilities should not be proved. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves what they want and not be coerced into anything.
Plain arrogant, yeah! Thats Riddick alright, but about this whole situation thats probably all he is and its not about man being superior to woman, its about him being superior to everyone. The guy isnt just talk though, he really is superior to everyone else (he isnt exactly human)Farther than stars said:
I mean, the guy basicly fights and wins against the most powerfull enemies out there and becomes like, king of the universe or some shit.
When I watched Chronicles, I thought less "Star Wars Meets D&D" and more Lensman or other old-school sci-fi. Come to think of it, a lot of old sci-fi was basically D&D with blasters and alien powers instead of magic swords and magic-users. I don't know if the aesthetic was entirely intentional on Diesel's part, but I enjoyed it all the same. This film is going on my 'to-see' list, but not for full price. I'll wait until it hits the local cheap theater first.
I just saw the movie today, and I quite enjoyed it. It was just all around fun. The cast is good to great, and the action is a total blast. They actually *do* explain what happened after Chronicles, but it's very brief and in flashback form.
And about the "fuck her straight" thing, it's really not as bad as Bob makes it out. Riddick just says that "I'll be balls deep in you when all this is over, but only because you asked me." I don't think that Riddick even knew she was a lesbian at the time, and he never actually does anything about it. And really, when a guy who is explicitly told so attempts to rape her, the outlaw barbarian coming onto her doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.
Edit: and I don't think RoboCop looks all that bad. There's actually a reason why he's now black and why it looks like a suit. Rest assured, he's still mostly robotic. But I guess whiny internet nonsense is going to rule the day, no matter how good or bad the movie itself is.
And about the "fuck her straight" thing, it's really not as bad as Bob makes it out. Riddick just says that "I'll be balls deep in you when all this is over, but only because you asked me." I don't think that Riddick even knew she was a lesbian at the time, and he never actually does anything about it. And really, when a guy who is explicitly told so attempts to rape her, the outlaw barbarian coming onto her doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.
Edit: and I don't think RoboCop looks all that bad. There's actually a reason why he's now black and why it looks like a suit. Rest assured, he's still mostly robotic. But I guess whiny internet nonsense is going to rule the day, no matter how good or bad the movie itself is.
Hey guys
If a woman is physically attracted to a man enough to allow him to have consensual sex with her then she, no matter how many times she says she's gay, isn't actually gay.
Seriously, you're demeaning the whole Lesbian movement by getting outraged over a pretend-lesbian turning out to actually be straight. Sometime a woman really does need a real man when she's surrounded by a bunch of assholes. That's not sexist. Its human nature.
If a woman is physically attracted to a man enough to allow him to have consensual sex with her then she, no matter how many times she says she's gay, isn't actually gay.
Seriously, you're demeaning the whole Lesbian movement by getting outraged over a pretend-lesbian turning out to actually be straight. Sometime a woman really does need a real man when she's surrounded by a bunch of assholes. That's not sexist. Its human nature.
She doesn't actually have sex with Riddick, though. All he does is make a few lewd comments and grab her ass at the end.Towels said:
That pitch for Bob's book was ironically less irritating than the first. At least he was referencing The Critic.
Though it was straight fucked.
Because there's a solid action hero and solid action star in there somewhere. They just can't be bothered to pull it out....Death_Korps_Kommissar said:
I don't know, at least they acknowledged those two were gay.DVS BSTrD said:
Though it was straight fucked.
I really liked Pitch Black, and Chronicles of Riddick was one of those movies that I saw with my father, in which I basically turn off my brain and enjoy the whole thing through. It wasn't "Bad" by any means, it just tried way too hard to set Riddick as the stereotypical "hey this guy's cool because he's the chosen one", instead of just leaving him as "this guy's cool".