What? You dont want the RoboCop remake (which I dont blame you for), but you're giving a maybe to Transformers 4? I havent been paying any mind to the news around T4, but is there something big I dont know? Is Bay not directing it?
Escape to the Movies: Riddick
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Huh... well the "fucking her straight" thing is pretty repulsive, if it weren't for that I might've considered watching this as popcorn fare...
It becomes a little more serious when you consider that the real world does have a history of trying to force gay people to be straight, from camps where they're indoctrinated and encouraged to "pray the gay away" to straight-up raping them, there's also a difference between having a ridiculous fantasy and shouting it to the world through mass-media, potentially influencing people into thinking that sort of thing is okay.QtheMuse said:
Also, for using the term "man card" you're automatically kind of a douche.
I blame poor paint by numbers script writing. They wanted to add a tough self reliant female character but had to use the hackneyed old chestnut of potential sexual tension and romance to titillate the audience. Note to screen writers, if the character really is a tough self reliant female who has established a place in the pecking order of a team of violent bounty hunters, the matter of her sexuality never need be brought up. But no they decided to go with the old stand by and claim she was a lesbian. So once again we get the stereotype that the only way a female character can be considered tough is by becoming one of the boys. Brilliant message, did a 12 year old write this script?.leviadragon99 said:
In Riddick's defense he might have thought that he was a lesbian too. It would go a long way to explaining just how he manages to not only keep himself completely devoid of body hair, but also why he is covered at all times by a thin sheen of body oil. I would also point out in such a case that it is more than likely that his entire understanding of LGBT people has in all likelihood been gleaned exclusively from pornography.
But are you honestly complaining that a company wants to sell more comics about a lesbian super-heroine over the long term instead of writing the intellectual property of Batwoman into an increasingly dead-end corner with a series of highly lucrative, but ultimately short-minded cash grabs?
Nobody wants to read comics about married superheroes. Or at least that's the impression I took away from the industry-wide back-flips when it comes to continuity on the subject. Maybe they're misapplying lessons that they learned from selling comic books to a straight male audience to an altogether different audience.DVS BSTrD said:
But are you honestly complaining that a company wants to sell more comics about a lesbian super-heroine over the long term instead of writing the intellectual property of Batwoman into an increasingly dead-end corner with a series of highly lucrative, but ultimately short-minded cash grabs?
Like I mentioned earlier, nowhere is the phrase "fucking her straight" ever used in the actual movie. Riddick merely makes a few lewd comments and then grabs her ass at the end. BTW, I don;t recall her sexual orientation even being mentioned in front of Riddick. There's also the small matter of the merc who attempts to rape her, but nooooooo, a couple of lewd comments is just sooooo much worse.leviadragon99 said:
Most of the time(80-90%) I am like "wow Bob is right on target with what I think about movies games etc"..... Then he throws this at me.... Sorry I from a personal perspective LIKE ALL of the Riddick movies and I think that Vin Diesel is a good actor, who has more range than half the overpaid idiots we see to shill in mainstream media... *sigh* See you next week Bob hopefully we agree again.
lol, here in australia the movie is rated MA15.
it sure looks like pitch black but im still gonna watch it. i enjoyed both movies that you cna watch them several times and this new one looks pretty much the same.
it sure looks like pitch black but im still gonna watch it. i enjoyed both movies that you cna watch them several times and this new one looks pretty much the same.
So, I am beginning to disagree with Bob more and more.
Riddick: Entertaining/good. Just saw it with four other people. Two guys, two girls, a variety of different tastes. All of whom thought it was good, not perfect, but worth our time. It was certainly not "B movie" classified.
Robocop remake: YES, at least something is being done with the idea and it is not just being left to age and be forgotten.
Transformers 4: Really Bob? "...maybe" coming from the biggest Michal Bay hater I've ever heard? NO. I would underline that if I knew how. NO! Transformers is and should be done. No one wants more.
Riddick: Entertaining/good. Just saw it with four other people. Two guys, two girls, a variety of different tastes. All of whom thought it was good, not perfect, but worth our time. It was certainly not "B movie" classified.
Robocop remake: YES, at least something is being done with the idea and it is not just being left to age and be forgotten.
Transformers 4: Really Bob? "...maybe" coming from the biggest Michal Bay hater I've ever heard? NO. I would underline that if I knew how. NO! Transformers is and should be done. No one wants more.
Hm, well... i am one of the few people who didn't like "Pitch Black" that much (It's Ok) but LOVED Chronicles or Riddick. It is a crazy inventice story. It's more like the 80ies fantasy b-movies whre you get the sense that someone wanted to tell you a cool and entertaining story and not just someone who got a script approved for an attempt audience money-drainage with "optimized appeal".
The difference was: It was well funded and directed and had a great cast. It is just absolutely entertaining. (I gave it an 8/10 and still can't believe the IMdB weighted average is only 6.6)
Now, when i saw the trailers for "Riddick" and saw it was basicely a Pitch Black-Sequel and not a Chronicles-Sequel... i was disappointed. Perhaps i will watch it... but likely i won't (At least not in cinema) Man, i wanted some crazy half-mystical crap happening. (Also Toombs trying to get revenge *g*)
The difference was: It was well funded and directed and had a great cast. It is just absolutely entertaining. (I gave it an 8/10 and still can't believe the IMdB weighted average is only 6.6)
Now, when i saw the trailers for "Riddick" and saw it was basicely a Pitch Black-Sequel and not a Chronicles-Sequel... i was disappointed. Perhaps i will watch it... but likely i won't (At least not in cinema) Man, i wanted some crazy half-mystical crap happening. (Also Toombs trying to get revenge *g*)
To be fair to the movie, though I've not seen it yet, from what Bob was saying, I don't think that Riddick actually does this, more that he threatens to do so as part of his "morally ambiguous barbarian badass asshole" shtick. I feel like Bob would be up in arms if he actually did change her sexuality through sheer machismo. Instead he was just disappointed by the film's use of the idea. If I'm wrong then let me know, but it alters whether or not the movie just makes a somewhat clumsy use of a trope, or actually is a little repugnant.trty00 said:
Saw it tonight. It's not at all a bad flick; the over-the-top superheroics of "Chronicles" have been toned way down, the creature effects are all pretty well done, and if you come in in the mood to enjoy this kind of movie you will probably indeed do so.
And the "fucked straight" thing is a big misnomer. Riddick does say some sexually forward things, largely in the same manner that he goes about trying to rattle everyone's cage, but there's no particular suggestion that Dahl (Sackhoff's character) actually responds with anything much more than amusement. And, frankly, Dahl is one of the few characters who receives that much time for development, and the movie seems to have far more respect for her than anyone should feel was undermined by what amounts to a small amount of banter.
And the "fucked straight" thing is a big misnomer. Riddick does say some sexually forward things, largely in the same manner that he goes about trying to rattle everyone's cage, but there's no particular suggestion that Dahl (Sackhoff's character) actually responds with anything much more than amusement. And, frankly, Dahl is one of the few characters who receives that much time for development, and the movie seems to have far more respect for her than anyone should feel was undermined by what amounts to a small amount of banter.
I really liked Pitch Black and Chronicles. Pitch Black > Chronicles though.
I haven't had any exposure to the games or anime though.
I always thought it would be cool if Riddick had a crossover with Aliens, Predators, The Fifth Element, or Metroid.
Imagine Samus being the bounty hunter after Riddick. That sadly, is probably at the top of the list on things that will NEVER in any pandimensional alternate Earth ever happen.
I haven't had any exposure to the games or anime though.
I always thought it would be cool if Riddick had a crossover with Aliens, Predators, The Fifth Element, or Metroid.
Imagine Samus being the bounty hunter after Riddick. That sadly, is probably at the top of the list on things that will NEVER in any pandimensional alternate Earth ever happen.
I mostly just feel indifferent towards this film. Pitch Black worked . . . once. Even then, I wouldn't oversell it - it's a good Space Horror movie with some exceptionally good cinematography (particularly the lighting), and some surprising character development hidden in there.
Why is Vin Diesel pushing the character now? I remember an interview with him a while back where he expressed surprise that someone was pushing for a sequel to Pitch Black, since the movie itself wasn't a major box office success.
Why is Vin Diesel pushing the character now? I remember an interview with him a while back where he expressed surprise that someone was pushing for a sequel to Pitch Black, since the movie itself wasn't a major box office success.
This person gets it.TheMadDoctorsCat said:
The charm of Pitch Black was that it toyed with the idea of having the protagonist to be a morally questionable character BEFORE stuff like Dexter popped out.
The Chronicles did try to uphold this, but had to revert to idea "I will save my daughter-figure AND accidentally save the whole universe as a by product"
But there is demand for unapologeticcally bad protagonists in action films.
Not "he only brutally murders rapists and nazis, he only steals from the mafia" - the true "he is an immoral f..., he is incapable of empathy and here is his tale"
Like Anton in "No country for old men"
Why? Because world is complex and bad people exist.
And sometimes they win and live happily ever after.
Learning to live with that is important and part of life.
Strange, I thought you'd tear this one to shreds for being an adrenalin remake of an apparently mediocre/silly action film based entirely around a single one-dimensional badass character at the actor's own insistence (which in fact he was talked out of a while back, but tried again).
I remember well Yahtzee's explanation of what made Riddick interesting in Pitch Black but after that merely a cardboard cutout fully interchangeable with Wolverine or Arnold with the exception of that voice... Man, that voice, how does he hit that pitch (the black pitch, you might call it)? That, not seeing in the dark or being a badass, is Riddick's truly unique power.
I remember well Yahtzee's explanation of what made Riddick interesting in Pitch Black but after that merely a cardboard cutout fully interchangeable with Wolverine or Arnold with the exception of that voice... Man, that voice, how does he hit that pitch (the black pitch, you might call it)? That, not seeing in the dark or being a badass, is Riddick's truly unique power.
