Kuth said:
Seldon2639 said:
So, let me make sure I understand this:
Actual Native American Tribes on Johnny Depp playing Tanto: "kinda weird, but we'll induct him into our tribes and be happy that Native Americans are getting a positive character in a movie, rather than caring who was cast; so congratulations to the newest Comanche."
Movie Bob: "It is wrong on so many levels for Johnny Depp to be playing Tanto."
When the actual Native Americans have less objection than you do, perhaps your position is less reasonable than you think.
Not only that, but Tonto was seen as very racist in his first incarnations. He spoke in broken english, it was actually called Tontoisim for a style of haiku used with few articles.
Tonto is a very racist character, and Bob is bitching about the racist Indian not being 'properly' acted by a Nativer American. Bob, what self respecting Native American would actually play Tonto? You can't have a double standards about this. Why? You made an entire show how Idris Elba playing Heimdall was perfectly fine, and people need to grow up. You know what? That's you right now.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, Bob. If Idris can play a white role, then Johnny can do the same thing for Tonto. Unless you want to make an argument how movies need to be racist by restricting roles to certain races for the sake of 'accuracy'. Black man can play white role, but White man can't play Red man's role? Is that the logic train you are riding on? You just crossed on the Political Correctness line, and you better get off to the next station if any sort of sanity remains with you.
you know that person who can't be bothered to look up the actual argument for Idris Elba playing Heimdall so they can get a little thing called "context",(If you want to see the Idris Elba argument from Bob's perspective, and then get his perspective on "context" then look up "Skin Deep" and "Skin Deeper" in the big picture) well that person is you, Kuth, that person is you!
Bob's perspective on Idris Elba is that IT DID suck that the only way they were getting a fantastic actor in on a great part for him was by changing the race of the character, but he also points out that due to a LONG history of LOTS of characters not being minorities that that is what we get. That is his argument, that it's much more okay to do when it's a minority actor who nails the part than when it's the White actor who comes off as ignorant due to writing and direction. I'm sorry, but Tonto was pretty much EXACTLY what he was in the originals here, so we get to be "re-offended" just by that, but we also get to be let down, and upset that it's also just some white guy in Redface paint(and what red-face paint it is too! He has a dead crow on his head!)
Yes, Tonto is a touchy subject. Yes, it would be hard to find a good actor for him. Yes, if you want to make a legitimate Lone Ranger movie and NOT lose your ass, you have to take the over 50 year old license and MODERNIZE it. Shocking I know. Here's the thing, one could easily..EASILY...point out that both Tonto, and his later stand in Kato, were some of the first heroes to point TOWARDS acceptance of minorities since they got to be there, and in there day, being an indian and NOT being a badguy was the pinnacle of achievements.
We're past that and a new Tonto should have reflected this. The list of why it was terrible to cast "Tonto" in this kind of role still, and then explain it in the stupid way that they attempt to, while putting a white dude in indian makeup should not require much, and Bob didn't even give it much. He assumed people got that this was stupid. Just stupid...ignorant...I'm not trying to be insulting here, honestly, but it's ignorant. It's ignoring progress rather than championing it, it's ignoring goodness and acceptance rather than embracing it, and that it's now HAD to be explained saddens me.
I've seen the film, saw it legitimately, and legitimately believe the makers of this film owe me about 40 dollars(10 ticket, + 2 1/2 hours of my life not used constructively charged at rate of current job.( $11.00/hour) Okay, it doesn't quite come out to 40, but it still could have been used better than this waste.)