Escapist Podcast: Bonus: The BioShock Infinite Podcat!
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Don't even have to clear them. You can just run straight through to the next area, triggering every alarm along the way. In the end, all the enemies despawn.dharmaBum0 said:
Worked on Hard, still waiting to see if it works on 1989.
Go take a look at their review ratings article. "5 out of 5" can mean anything from 81% to 100%.AJey said:
To this day I still think Songbird was another version of Booker. The Songbird is, after all, the avatar version of Rapture's "big daddies". And it makes sense on how Booker, Comstock, and Songbird want to take Elizabeth away.
Songbird being half machine is fueled on just pure fatherly instinct on wanting to protect Elizabeth. And his relationship with her is similar to a daughter and actual father. She admired him and loved his company when she was young. But now that she's older and wants more freedom, Songbird becomes overly protective does everything in its power to keep her in the tower.
The fact that Songbird's downfall was also being "drowned" is a big giveaway. All versions of Booker are killed by water.
EDIT: also just not to double post... My thought process of asylum section, in my first go around, was running into the silent boy and thinking "Wah ok this thing alerts the others" I was already low on ammo/salt and unprepared, so I die. Next I tried to stealth kill the silent boy but instead it screams in my face again. It was then I figured out he was invulnerable, and proceeded to stealth past all the other silent boys.
Songbird being half machine is fueled on just pure fatherly instinct on wanting to protect Elizabeth. And his relationship with her is similar to a daughter and actual father. She admired him and loved his company when she was young. But now that she's older and wants more freedom, Songbird becomes overly protective does everything in its power to keep her in the tower.
The fact that Songbird's downfall was also being "drowned" is a big giveaway. All versions of Booker are killed by water.
EDIT: also just not to double post... My thought process of asylum section, in my first go around, was running into the silent boy and thinking "Wah ok this thing alerts the others" I was already low on ammo/salt and unprepared, so I die. Next I tried to stealth kill the silent boy but instead it screams in my face again. It was then I figured out he was invulnerable, and proceeded to stealth past all the other silent boys.
Regarding the racism, I'm sure a lot of people have said similar things by now, but I'm to lazy to read it all, so I'm just gonna eay in my two cents.
I felt it was really clear, but as an outsider looking at America, I have this view on a lot of American culture, so I jumped to this conclusion easily( NOTE: not specific Americans, a lot of you are ery nice)
When Booker accept the baptism, he's supposed to be washed clean of his sins, that's not how human psyche works, so he does not forgive himself his sins, he justifies them. So to accept that he killed all those people, he adopts the pro-american propaganda doctrine, making his actions just. So while he says he's washed clean of his sins, what he actually does is denies they ever were sins.
I felt it was really clear, but as an outsider looking at America, I have this view on a lot of American culture, so I jumped to this conclusion easily( NOTE: not specific Americans, a lot of you are ery nice)
When Booker accept the baptism, he's supposed to be washed clean of his sins, that's not how human psyche works, so he does not forgive himself his sins, he justifies them. So to accept that he killed all those people, he adopts the pro-american propaganda doctrine, making his actions just. So while he says he's washed clean of his sins, what he actually does is denies they ever were sins.
I was slightly surprised at how much frustration Susan brought to the podcat. Of course, and without putting words in her mouth, the frustrations seemed to be more with how close the game came to doing certain good things without actually doing them, rather than because it was bad.
I thought the racism was his way of dealing withhis guilt by being proud of what he did.
Or maby Booker actually is a racist, is he ever verified as not being one?
Or maby Booker actually is a racist, is he ever verified as not being one?
It's never said straight up, but there are racists and then there are racists. He may not like the idea of an interracial marriage, whilst still not being a fan of lynchings.
I would be interested in an analysis of the race relations and the vox populi from someone with a background in such things. Every bit of the discussion I've seen on this aspect of Bioshock is being had by White people. That's not particularly a BAD thing, just limiting in something so complex as race relations and it's history in America.
So it was a stealth level. And here I thought I'm just doing something wrong, that I can't kill those guys. :-D Thanks, next time around I will know, what to do. Who would have thought, that trying to kill something would be a bad approach in this kind of game, hell I thought it was mercy killing, they didn't look very happy. 
My personal take on Comstock's racism is because of Fink. One of the Voxaphones mentions that Comstock is reliant on Fink for his success and its implied that Fink only achieved his success based on the exploitation of other races. My opinion is that Comstock just didn't care as long as he got results.
Despite what was mentioned I still don't see why as Comstock he decides to secede, authorize massacres and eventually fulfill the prophecy, unless it's supposed to be some commentary on fatalism.
P.S. I personally loved the Comstock House level because that brought back the creepy feeling from the original Bioshock. Have to admit, though, that the Boys of Silence were not a problem because of Murder of Crows and the equipment that regains you Salts.
Despite what was mentioned I still don't see why as Comstock he decides to secede, authorize massacres and eventually fulfill the prophecy, unless it's supposed to be some commentary on fatalism.
P.S. I personally loved the Comstock House level because that brought back the creepy feeling from the original Bioshock. Have to admit, though, that the Boys of Silence were not a problem because of Murder of Crows and the equipment that regains you Salts.
This game caused me to invent a new term. Quantum Fuckery: the result of people messing around with the Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whiney stuff in such a way that you are acutely aware of the fact that you are in way over your head.
as far as Comstock's racist attitudes, Booker himself showed a certain acceptance of the racial status quo, explaining to Elizabeth "that is just the way things are." Comstock however would have rejected "the way things are" as part of his psychological shift post baptisim, and insited that it was the way things needed to be.
as far as Comstock's racist attitudes, Booker himself showed a certain acceptance of the racial status quo, explaining to Elizabeth "that is just the way things are." Comstock however would have rejected "the way things are" as part of his psychological shift post baptisim, and insited that it was the way things needed to be.
About the racism, Comstock as a prophet and a bit older man probably saw at least one wave of KKK (be it in the future or in the past), so it's not like racism wasn't a big deal in that period of time. Secondly extremely extreme patriotism would actualy probably be against interracial couples and imigrants, since you know, they steal jobs from patriots and destroy the good american gene pool. (please don't think I'm trying to be racist, just making a point) Thirdly Comstock saw himself as a hero (that's why hall of heroes), so after his baptism he must have accepted his monstrosities at Wounded Knee, which were somewhat racilly motivated. So personaly I think, that his racism is somewhat plausible.
Regarding the sudden ramping up in violence on the part of the Vox Populi after stepping through that tear, could it be a result of the fact that Booker was a leader and a martyr to them in that specific iteration?
As mentioned in the podcast, Booker is not a nice dude, and it seems as though he's never a met a problem he couldn't solve by murdering it. That the Vox would take cues from him once he demonstrated how effective brutality is, isn't all that surprising. Did anyone in the game talk about scalping other than Booker/Comstock? Yet during the Vox rebellion, there's a board with the scalps of the Founders pinned up for all to see. Which isn't to say that Fitzroy doesn't have her own violent streak. There's a few voxophones where she compares herself to a fire, ravaging through Columbia.
"When you forced deep underground, well-- you see things from the bottom up. And down at the bottom of the city, I saw a fire burning. A fire's got heat aplenty, but it ain't got no mouth. Daisy...now, she got herself a mouth big enough for all the fires in Columbia.
"You ever see a forest at the beginning of a fire? Before the first flame, you see them possums and squirrels, running through the trees. They know what?s coming. But the fat bears with their bellies full a? honey, well -- you can?t hardly wake them up from their comfortable hibernation. We?re going to Emporia. And then, we gon? see what it takes to rouse them from their slumber."
It's interesting that Fitzroy is Infinite's parallel to Atlas/Fontaine. Both begin the revolution that leads to the downfall of their respective cities. Both are originally presented as allies, promising escape in exchange for assistance. Both betray the protagonist and are further corrupted by their success. Fitzroy ends up stabbed to death by Elizabeth, while Atlas is swarmed by little sisters repeatedly stabbing him with their syringes.
As mentioned in the podcast, Booker is not a nice dude, and it seems as though he's never a met a problem he couldn't solve by murdering it. That the Vox would take cues from him once he demonstrated how effective brutality is, isn't all that surprising. Did anyone in the game talk about scalping other than Booker/Comstock? Yet during the Vox rebellion, there's a board with the scalps of the Founders pinned up for all to see. Which isn't to say that Fitzroy doesn't have her own violent streak. There's a few voxophones where she compares herself to a fire, ravaging through Columbia.
"When you forced deep underground, well-- you see things from the bottom up. And down at the bottom of the city, I saw a fire burning. A fire's got heat aplenty, but it ain't got no mouth. Daisy...now, she got herself a mouth big enough for all the fires in Columbia.
"You ever see a forest at the beginning of a fire? Before the first flame, you see them possums and squirrels, running through the trees. They know what?s coming. But the fat bears with their bellies full a? honey, well -- you can?t hardly wake them up from their comfortable hibernation. We?re going to Emporia. And then, we gon? see what it takes to rouse them from their slumber."
It's interesting that Fitzroy is Infinite's parallel to Atlas/Fontaine. Both begin the revolution that leads to the downfall of their respective cities. Both are originally presented as allies, promising escape in exchange for assistance. Both betray the protagonist and are further corrupted by their success. Fitzroy ends up stabbed to death by Elizabeth, while Atlas is swarmed by little sisters repeatedly stabbing him with their syringes.
On the racism thing, I understood it like this. Firstly, Comstock believes in God and believes God has granted him special prophetic powers. He beleives God has granted him this, because DeWitt was baptised following a massive bout of guilt due to his incredibly racist actions at Wounded Knee. Therefore, the act that brought DeWitt to God and the path of righteousness must also be righteous. Sort of an ends justifying the means situation. The fact he is a prophet clearly makes him righteous in his own mind, there for the act that saw him become a prophet must also therefore be righteous.
With Susan's complaint on Comstock becoming a tyrant after taking the holy path:
1) One of the main underlying themes of the game is that absolute power corrupts, demonstrated by Fitzroy when the revolution becomes fully blown and the people are more willing to follow her.
2) I found that the baptism taken by Dewitt shows him how easily the slate can be wiped clean (yes also delivering a very anti Christian message) so Comstock may see his necessary evil of oppression and destroying New York as nothing because everything can be forgiven so easily.
Also the podcast didn't at all touch the fact that Comstock wanted to harness Elizabeth's powers and infuse them into him, which then in-turn other than giving him immense power would also make him no longer a Profit but God in the eyes of his people.
1) One of the main underlying themes of the game is that absolute power corrupts, demonstrated by Fitzroy when the revolution becomes fully blown and the people are more willing to follow her.
2) I found that the baptism taken by Dewitt shows him how easily the slate can be wiped clean (yes also delivering a very anti Christian message) so Comstock may see his necessary evil of oppression and destroying New York as nothing because everything can be forgiven so easily.
Also the podcast didn't at all touch the fact that Comstock wanted to harness Elizabeth's powers and infuse them into him, which then in-turn other than giving him immense power would also make him no longer a Profit but God in the eyes of his people.
Comstock's story kinda reminds me of Cecil Rhodes. He started out working on a cotton farm in South Africa, drawing the ire of his white peers for socializing with his black workers and showing them trust by paying them in advance.
Then he had a mild heart attack, went on an 8-month trek across the veldt and came back with the conviction that blacks were children who should be used as an on-tap work force and nothing else. He even got the Cape Republic to repeal the franchise for the few blacks that had it, and later founded the country of Rhodesia, a byword for racism.
Rhodesia was created in what had been Matabeleland, which he had first cheated the inhabitants out of, and then massacred them with Maxim machineguns.
Then he had a mild heart attack, went on an 8-month trek across the veldt and came back with the conviction that blacks were children who should be used as an on-tap work force and nothing else. He even got the Cape Republic to repeal the franchise for the few blacks that had it, and later founded the country of Rhodesia, a byword for racism.
Rhodesia was created in what had been Matabeleland, which he had first cheated the inhabitants out of, and then massacred them with Maxim machineguns.
i believe that the racism was originally created because when they created Columbia they sold it as this new Eden a perfect world, and who's vision of a perfect world involves them doing menial labor. so none of the citizens were willing to do these jobs that totally needed doing so to solve this one of the audio logs was of a character telling comstock Ive got a solution to your labor issue, slaves enjoy. now when it starts to become over the top is most people can't treat another human being like that without some sort of justification so either you admit to yourself they are human and need to be treated as such or you justify it as they are somehow less then human.
as for the hard time you guys had with the ghost and silent guy fights devils kiss mad both of those easy just put the trap right at the ghost feet and it will normally kill all the people she spawns and damage her too.and spam it at the other fght with the Regan gear equipped and it will go by pretty smoothly at least that's what i did.
as for the hard time you guys had with the ghost and silent guy fights devils kiss mad both of those easy just put the trap right at the ghost feet and it will normally kill all the people she spawns and damage her too.and spam it at the other fght with the Regan gear equipped and it will go by pretty smoothly at least that's what i did.
Great podcast, really enjoyed it. One thing which may or may not be significant. I chose not to draw on the ticket teller, which resulted in Booker getting stabbed in the hand. Through out the game Booker has a bandage round his hand, however at the end during the drowning(which is when I noticed it) there is no bandage and his hand is all healed up. Different Booker or something the developers just missed?