EVE Online Players Flip a Lid Over Virtual Clothing

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Pyrosomniac said:
As an EvE Online player, the more I read of this, the more worried I am about putting my money into their game. I have no problem with them selling the equivalent of virtual nothing to consumers (which many companies have done, and seem to be succeeding at it too!) at prices that scream "Why bother?".

If this is true, of their prices being so criminal, then it shows they completely underestimated their player base. They don't have an insight into our wallets. Far from it actually!

I read their response to the rage and fury about the prices.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=update&utm_content=devblog&utm_campaign=eveonline

They refer to the pieces as "clothes". In reality, they're far from them. Not a single item in their catalog will keep you warm. YOU can't wear them, only your non-breathing, cold, digital embodiment can. Last I checked he isn't cold either!

Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand?
Yes, I did choose these because they are of better quality. Are you implying that the priced clothes are of better polygons than the original ones? That doesn't mean I'm willing to shell out for them. I buy most of my clothes in sales or using coupons or discounts because it's cheaper for me. The store they have runs a monopoly. There will NEVER be a sale unless they feel generous. Lets take their "military" garb that they sell, more military themed clothes of space warfare. They cost 25 quid each. Now, go to an army surplus store. Get a pair of olive green or forest camo trousers, it's probably only a tenner or less. There's exactly ONE and only one designer making these polygon fleeces despite the game saying otherwise.

Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop.
Okay when did I win the lottery? When did japanese boutiques open up around me? Could you have chosen a more out-of-touch example? Can I honestly ask anyone in this thread who has even touched a $1000 piece of clothing, let alone being a pair of jeans or from a japanese boutique, or both? Chances are you haven't, and if you have and you're browsing the Escapist, you have no problem with the issue at hand!

Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread.
Except when it comes to gaming, quite a lot of people will consider you a complete and utter tosser. I know some of you are going to bring in Team Fortress 2 here, but consider that there are many, many, many ways to find, trade for, or buy hats (some of which can give your character bonuses such as the Scout Milkman set, giving these a practical use (Not even a great one at that as they must be worn as a set with other pieces, stopping them from being must haves unless the play style of the set suits you extremely well)). They have harbored a trading environment in themselves which lets even more casual players join in with the few weapons they pick up in their first couple of hours of play. The problem with EvE, comes from the fact that entering the market that the apparel revolves around is not only costly, but can cost months of work, dedication and time, for the privilege of wearing more stylish polygons. Not only that, but the prices can range into the billions for ISK, which only the elite that own a slice of Null-Sec can afford (supposing they allow the profits to trickle down to the lower echelons of the corporation).

Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit.
But we already express ourselves, moreso in EvE online through play rather than our digital avatar. All of our actions, before digital clothes came into it, decided how people viewed us. Whether we were the people hanging back in Secure space, the ones sleeping to the quiet murmur of mining lasers and drones while our cargo holds started to bulge; or the person who kept a collection of all the biomasses in their hangar. We were who we wanted to be by our actions. We did not dress up like goths to show people we were going to blow them up because, fuck it I hate people! We blew people up because we wanted them to see we weren't to be messed with. The idea that polygons will show others who we are in EvE is a complete fallacy, unless of course you've already subscribed to the greed is good agenda and keep all wealth to yourself while in your Player owned station in Null-sec.

Simply put, it's too expensive for what they want it to do, when we already have a perfectly viable method of showing who we are!

Interesting, however I will say that I am less concerned about what we've actually seen in the game (virtual clothing) than about their plans to actually start selling things that have a direct effect on the game itself.

Also, their leaked memo makes me think of the problems I've had with their billing system already, how many games require you to get a GM to cancel recurring billing?

If they simply added a purely cosmetic microtransaction shop to it, I'd just be going "meh" and ignore it. I don't like that kind of thing, but can generally live with it. It's sort of like people paying $10 a pop for static pets in WoW.... whatever floats their boat. That's not all we're seeing here, we're seeing total and complete greed and exploitation from the company... and it's almost comical given how relatively small their player base is.

In the end I really wanted to like this game, but I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to justify playing.
 

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Therumancer said:
Interesting, however I will say that I am less concerned about what we've actually seen in the game (virtual clothing) than about their plans to actually start selling things that have a direct effect on the game itself.

Also, their leaked memo makes me think of the problems I've had with their billing system already, how many games require you to get a GM to cancel recurring billing?

If they simply added a purely cosmetic microtransaction shop to it, I'd just be going "meh" and ignore it. I don't like that kind of thing, but can generally live with it. It's sort of like people paying $10 a pop for static pets in WoW.... whatever floats their boat. That's not all we're seeing here, we're seeing total and complete greed and exploitation from the company... and it's almost comical given how relatively small their player base is.

In the end I really wanted to like this game, but I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to justify playing.
I have to admit... I'm heading the same way!

Going back to Guild Wars doesn't sound too bad, so long as I could find a 7 hero build that actually worked for me!

By the way, there are mass protests taking place in the games main trading hubs of Jita and Amarr. Approximately 1500 people in each, just shooting a structure, in protest.
 

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Nice reporting there John. I can only assume you have some kind of an axe to grind with CCP.

Update: Things are rapidly going downhill for CCP. A leaked internal bulletin titled "Greed is Good" indicates that the developer WILL BE extending its microtransactions to less-than-cosmetic items like spaceships and weaponry - things which would provide a tangible in-game advantage.

I suppose saying that they WILL BE doing something attracts more attention than saying they were considering the possibility of doing something.

Internet journalism at its finest.
 

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The only problem I can see here is the gameplay affecting items. I play Eve myself, and I couldn't care less about micro-transactions, but if they start making me suck even more because I didn't give them money, Imma rage.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Jumplion said:
Oh bullshit, the Team Fortress 2 Mann Co. store has had prices like that for cosmetic items, and regular weaponry for months, and yet no news posts or calling outs on that? Pshaw, people, set your priorities straight!

But whatever, that still is pretty ridiculous for a monocle or whatever. There's a limit to microtransactions that developers are testing, though I'm pretty sure $100 for a new red-er glove croses that boundary twice.
So bloody true. Some of the rare hats cost twice as much as the fucking game. And the polycount weapons alone are forty bucks.
Where the hell are you getting $40 from? The most expensive weapon is like £4, unless there's been some massive inflation in the last five minutes, stop making crap up.
 

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9Darksoul6 said:
So they're angry because they're given the option to spend money on stupid things?
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that's sort of my feeling. The level of entitlement by some gamers is absolutely astounding.
Did you two read the whole article? Gamers are pissed about spending $25 on a hat. They don't have to spend money on that. But being able to buy items that will give a player an advantage over another player is stupid. They don't have to spend money on it, but other people will, and it will affect the game. Hats, on the other hand, won't.
 

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McNinja said:
zehydra said:
9Darksoul6 said:
So they're angry because they're given the option to spend money on stupid things?
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that's sort of my feeling. The level of entitlement by some gamers is absolutely astounding.
Did you two read the whole article? Gamers are pissed about spending $25 on a hat. They don't have to spend money on that. But being able to buy items that will give a player an advantage over another player is stupid. They don't have to spend money on it, but other people will, and it will affect the game. Hats, on the other hand, won't.
Exactly what my other post said. There are other games out there however, (and I have played, which were otherwise good) that are totally f2p and have game-breaking things which are purchasable with real money.
 

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Oh please. Its just another group people whining about how-
> $25 dollars for a shirt
WHAT THE FUCK?! NOW I'M MAD!
 

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It's optional people! You don't need to pay a million virtual dollars to dress yourself up if you don't want to! This is like when Team Fortress 2 had purchasable hats for the first time,people flipped out but the sane ones didn't care.
I don't understand the big deal about letting people buy virtual clothing,if it's what they want to do,let them do it,it doesn't hurt your experience and manages to satisfy them.
However, atleast TF2 gave a player a chance to get any given hat without paying a cent. The only way you can become "Borg Picard" as seen in that image only is available for $75, period. You know how many Nerds want to be Borg Picard? I would!
 

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Not G. Ivingname said:
Alphakirby said:
It's optional people! You don't need to pay a million virtual dollars to dress yourself up if you don't want to! This is like when Team Fortress 2 had purchasable hats for the first time,people flipped out but the sane ones didn't care.
I don't understand the big deal about letting people buy virtual clothing,if it's what they want to do,let them do it,it doesn't hurt your experience and manages to satisfy them.
However, atleast TF2 gave a player a chance to get any given hat without paying a cent. The only way you can become "Borg Picard" as seen in that image only is available for $75, period. You know how many Nerds want to be Borg Picard? I would!
I suppose you have a point there,but if I know EVE like I do (I.E.Whatever it advertises itself to be) The clothing will be like items in Second Life,in other words the money will just be another part of the game's economy only in exchange for clothing instead of more meaningful uses
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Jumplion said:
Oh bullshit, the Team Fortress 2 Mann Co. store has had prices like that for cosmetic items, and regular weaponry for months, and yet no news posts or calling outs on that? Pshaw, people, set your priorities straight!

But whatever, that still is pretty ridiculous for a monocle or whatever. There's a limit to microtransactions that developers are testing, though I'm pretty sure $100 for a new red-er glove croses that boundary twice.
So bloody true. Some of the rare hats cost twice as much as the fucking game. And the polycount weapons alone are forty bucks.
Actually...everything costs way more than the game now. Seeing as how it is free.

In other news, charging real money for game changing content has always been a terrible idea. Why does everyone except devs realize this? It's never worked. It's never going to work.
 

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so Eve is trying to kill itself?

because this would be a reason if I was a player to never touch it again.
 

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Clothes i can understand. But clothes worth more than a game or a night full of drinks? And ship weapons is the the dumbest thing i can imagine. If i understand how eve works(i dont play) weapons and ships are vital. I mean a shirt may be worth something like 1:50. They would make alot more than with 25 bucks.
 

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You know, even more f***ed up then all of these players whining about Microtransactions and being able to purchase in-game items is the fact that all of them neglect to recall the fact that CCP has freely released expansions to their game, without any charge to their customers.
 

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as a 2 year player, not daring myself to call veteran yet, i am disgusted with where this is going towards. guess every good thing comes to an end.
Reyalsfeihc said:
You know, even more f***ed up then all of these players whining about Microtransactions and being able to purchase in-game items is the fact that all of them neglect to recall the fact that CCP has freely released expansions to their game, without any charge to their customers.
So what? Expansions in mmo must be free. there is no other way around it. and any company that think otherwise is at least stupid. wow we must be so thnakful for them that we actually get something that we should get for paying every month. no wait the last expansion is a big FY to community so we are not getting anything.
 

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Jumplion said:
Oh bullshit, the Team Fortress 2 Mann Co. store has had prices like that for cosmetic items, and regular weaponry for months, and yet no news posts or calling outs on that? Pshaw, people, set your priorities straight!
No single item is that expensive, surely? It's just packs of weapons and hats 'n stuff. $80, I mean, I think single "rare" items go up to $30 (cosmetics), but I think it's mostly... packs of weapons, right? I haven't played Team Fortress 2 in a while.
 

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my question is 'so what?'

seriously wait there.. think!

even if you can 'buy' ships, weapons, ammo, tshirts and other crap in eve.. you STILL!! spend 6 years learning all the ruddy books..

what's the problem? all it's doing is generating revenue for ccp that keeps your game going overall it will do nothing to you!!

frankly if you want a real space game, go play star ruler you can design your own ships and texture them how you want then take over the galaxy with them.
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
Jumplion said:
Oh bullshit, the Team Fortress 2 Mann Co. store has had prices like that for cosmetic items, and regular weaponry for months, and yet no news posts or calling outs on that? Pshaw, people, set your priorities straight!
No single item is that expensive, surely? It's just packs of weapons and hats 'n stuff. $80, I mean, I think single "rare" items go up to $30 (cosmetics), but I think it's mostly... packs of weapons, right? I haven't played Team Fortress 2 in a while.
Some hats go for $20, $30, as well as weapons, I believe. It's still ridiculous, no matter how you twist it, though compared to this EVE stuff it is better. Though, not a better we should like...
 

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On the topic of buying things usefull in game for real life money. You had the ability to do that before it was just a bit of a hassle. And it was still legal.
 

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I'll just paste my thoughts which I posted on another forum

I am SICK to death of all the nerdrage to be honest. Until CCP "OFFICIALLY" announce this, until this actually effects MY game and the way I play it, until I actually have to start PAYING MORE to play the game then I will be subbing as will most of you.

CCP are a business, never forget this, and they will charge whatever the public will pay. Do not blame CCP for charging the 70GBP (rough approximation) for a monocle blame the complete retard that is willing to pay 1.3billion isk to get it.

All this nerdrage quite frankly (not just here but other forums etc) is complete utter rubbsh. I reckon less than 1% of those players that have quit or are threatening to quit will remain unsubbed.

Yes, its pricey, ok incarna isn't the be all that everyone wanted, but can we still PVP YES, can we still min YES, can we still mission YES can we still blow shit up, god damn YES. Will any of these "supposed" changes affect your gameplay (other than CQ which is the medium by hich MTs will be accessed) the answer is a resounding NO. Guys quit your ranting, if you are going to leave EVE then do so.

I remember several thousand "hardcore" raiders complaining about game related changes back before burnign crusade was launched, did they quit, some did but most still play the game today.

The majority of mmo's now have MT's, including WOW, STO, LOTRO and EQ, CCP are just late to the party, pricey maybe, but you dont HAVE TO buy anything, no one is forcing you to