Everything is average nowadays.
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Doesnt every brand new generation bring massive innovation and improvement due to better hardware, then developers figure how to push that hardware to the limit, then it plateaus, then a new generation and the cycle starts again?Brotherofwill said:
Have you recently compared PS3 to graphics and sound to PS2 to PS1?
If so, what did you think?
I recently compared Xbox to Xbox360, and i felt some of the old graphics were painful.
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I'd like to state I don;t think it's all about the graphics, as someone else posted, its innovation that can truely make a game. I feel with the way tech is going, the skys the limit, we just need developers thinking outside the box.
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Last game that blew me away? Demon's Souls.
Reminded me of days when games didn't like you and wanted to make you suffer.
Great every now and again, I wouldn't like it in every game, truely was a sense of achievement when I clocked it.
I don't think things are so bad, although the last thing that properly blew my mind was Killer7. Doesn't make later games any less enjoyable though. <url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTkSV7sXz8Y>Also, this needs to be done
Ofcourse there is still improvement and this improvement usually spikes every 5 years or so with the console cycles just like you said. But you have to think relatively here: The original Xbox came out in 2001 so that's around 9 years ago. So in 9 years we went from this (Halo 1):Mr Ink 5000 said:
That's not bad at all. Looks much better.
But then when you think about it: NES was released somewhere around 1985 and the N64 was released in around 1996 (I'm half estimating these dates). So that's around 11 years and they went from this(SMB):
It just doesn't compare. Ofcourse we still have huge progress, but it has kind of hit the point of diminished returns.
I also loved Demon's Souls. So unforgiving and challenging that it just reminded you of the times when you put everything into games to succeed (like the days when you were young and your ability wasn't as refined
). I still like playing PS2 games. Don't see a problem with the graphics. However early PS1 is sometimes a bit painful and in retrospection worse than 64 graphics because they are more muddy and unrefined. Still like FF 8 in terms of graphics and a few others . I tend to prefer playing bit games to early 3D work just because bit games tend to have a more polished look and feel to them. But no, graphics don't really matter to me.
I think we've capped, I mean back in the old gaming days, you asked someone what the futrue was it would be realistic 3D... well we're now there but where to next?
Yes Mass Effect 2 is good and yes I thought there were some exceptional moments in my eyes. However a game that knocked my socks off..... well arkham asylum gave me hope for games based on comics again (I love my batman). Fallout 3, that is my answer and then before that Knights of the Old Republic. In both games the plots were very good but they did something that few games do, make me have some kind of emotional investment in the characters.
I have 2 points here, the first one sounds nit picky,and I'm sorry for that but I think its relevant.Brotherofwill said:Ofcourse there is still improvement and this improvement usually spikes every 5 years or so with the console cycles just like you said. But you have to think relatively here: The original Xbox came out in 2001 so that's around 9 years ago. So in 9 years we went from this (Halo 1):
to this (Gears of War 2):
That's not bad at all. Looks much better.
But then when you think about it: NES was released somewhere around 1985 and the N64 was released in around 1996 (I'm half estimating these dates). So that's around 11 years and they went from this(SMB):
to this (Mario 64)
It just doesn't compare. Ofcourse we still have huge progress, but it has kind of hit the point of diminished returns.
1) I can see how the grapic improvement from Halo 1 to Gears 2 is minor compared to Mario NES to Mario 64. Thing is the Mario NES/64 comparison is a little unfair to the Gears/Halo;
The NES and the N64 for are separated by a generation (the SNES) were as the 360 is a direct follow on the the 360.
Comparing Super Mario Bros NES to Mario World SNES http://openbytes.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/super_mario_world_snes_screenshot21.jpg (I'm not so good with the internet trickery) would be alot more fair.
As for Mario on the 64, that generation of consoles was the start of the true 3D revolution in gaming, thats why it felt so amazing. which brings me to my next point
2) I totally see what you mean by diminished return. From last gen to this, graphically it only feels like minor tweaks and a cross over from standard def to high def, but we are awaiting the next technical revolution. Holograms? Real 3d? I don't know. But I do feel pre 3d gaming era, each gen just introduced more pixels and more colours, nothing revolutionary.
Even though it my seem like I'm going with he flow on this one, I must speak what I honestly feel, and that is the Mass Effect series. The first one blew my mind, and the second one continued to do so, although I don't think it would have if I didn't have the ME1 playthrough. Its depth blew my mind, and I loved the dialogue heavy gameplay.
Outside of Mass Effect? Either LittleBigPlanet (the purest form of concentrated fun), or the Gears Of War series (The only major revolution in shooter game mechanics of the current generation)
Outside of Mass Effect? Either LittleBigPlanet (the purest form of concentrated fun), or the Gears Of War series (The only major revolution in shooter game mechanics of the current generation)
I'm going to go with Final Fantasy X. For one, it was epic and awesome ... awesic ... and secondly, it was the first inal fantasy I had ever played so I had never seen such possibility foir massive RPG's.
Probably Crackdown. My friends and I where all waiting for some sort of multiplayer GTA type game where you didn't have to be literally right next to your partner all the time. And we got it, WITH SUPERPOWERS. We still play it. one of the most overlooked games on the 360 I think.
Umm... not use Mass Effect 2? But it would be my answer... I've never seen a game take such good advantage of gaming's unique abilities as a storytelling medium. Ever.
To be honest, I'm tired of people complaining about how most games are crap: welcome to art. Most movies are crap, most books are crap, and most games are crap. Once something goes mainstream, it's inevitable, and perfectly normal. The thing that matters is that there are some amazing things and some good things, and gaming more than achieves that. So get used to it: it's just how it is, but it says nothing bad about gaming.
Besides Mass Effect 2, I'd say Shadow of the Colossus. Maybe Bioshock.
EDIT: Oh, and Portal! How could I forget?!?
To be honest, I'm tired of people complaining about how most games are crap: welcome to art. Most movies are crap, most books are crap, and most games are crap. Once something goes mainstream, it's inevitable, and perfectly normal. The thing that matters is that there are some amazing things and some good things, and gaming more than achieves that. So get used to it: it's just how it is, but it says nothing bad about gaming.
Besides Mass Effect 2, I'd say Shadow of the Colossus. Maybe Bioshock.
EDIT: Oh, and Portal! How could I forget?!?
For really super recent I'd probably have to go with Batman: Arkham Asylum, on the basis that it really made you feel like Batman and had a great ensemble cast of memorable villains and in general not through plot but through setting merged me into the Dark Knight's twisted world in a way that no interactive medium had ever done before and with a level of success that only an interactive medium would have been capable of doing.
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And there is no legit reason why we can't say Mass Effect 2. If it blew minds, it blew minds. Maybe if you wanted a picture of how it was before ME2, but ME2 throws a wrench in your whole theory, because a game that recently was released blew minds universally. Maybe not yours, but the reason why so many people do say it is because it actually blew their mind, proving that not EVERYTHING is average.
I would have to say that Dragon Age Origins was the latest game that even came close to blowing my mind. I actually have played through it more then once, which is a first for most modern games.
Mass Effect 2 was a fail in my mind, I was enormously disappointed on how console-geared it has become. I haven't completed it but I miss being able to go customize Shepard like in the first game (...unless I'm an idiot and I haven't found one of the shops, which wouldn't surprise me). Plus the whole 'thermal clips' idea annoys me. EDIT: I'm not saying I don't like it, ME2 is a good game and I will play through it multiple times, it just seems like a minor step backwards.
The last game that made my jaw drop was probably Team Fortress 2. I've sunk hundreds of hours into it (wasted a lot of them on the 360 version before I decided to buy the PC one).
Mass Effect 2 was a fail in my mind, I was enormously disappointed on how console-geared it has become. I haven't completed it but I miss being able to go customize Shepard like in the first game (...unless I'm an idiot and I haven't found one of the shops, which wouldn't surprise me). Plus the whole 'thermal clips' idea annoys me. EDIT: I'm not saying I don't like it, ME2 is a good game and I will play through it multiple times, it just seems like a minor step backwards.
The last game that made my jaw drop was probably Team Fortress 2. I've sunk hundreds of hours into it (wasted a lot of them on the 360 version before I decided to buy the PC one).
Without having read too far into people's opinions i'm going with Grand Theft Auto 3. Having it go from the top down to the full 3d free roaming world was unbelieveable. I dont think ive ever spent as much time on a game since.
Gears of war 2 got me very excited too. Just because of its cinematic value. First game i've played that felt like a movie.
Wish I had a better answer haha.
Gears of war 2 got me very excited too. Just because of its cinematic value. First game i've played that felt like a movie.
Wish I had a better answer haha.
Might and Magic: Call of Heroes for the DS. Puzzle-RPG is probably the best way of making RPG combat actually fun and not just an exercise in navigating drop-down menus. Can't wait to get Gyromancer.
Also, even though it isn't out yet and it'll probably be > 6 months before I actually play it, Heavy Rain has potential to revolutionize (or at least step towards revolutionizing) the formula with it's decision-based gameplay mechanic. Should be interesting to see.
And if not a winner in the gameplay category, at least all the violence and sex will give us a nice little media circus in the US to entertain us for a while. Horray for Fox News!
Also, even though it isn't out yet and it'll probably be > 6 months before I actually play it, Heavy Rain has potential to revolutionize (or at least step towards revolutionizing) the formula with it's decision-based gameplay mechanic. Should be interesting to see.
And if not a winner in the gameplay category, at least all the violence and sex will give us a nice little media circus in the US to entertain us for a while. Horray for Fox News!
Poke'mon Crystal. When I was finally allowed to play as a girl, I cried. Fitting, ne?
And that was AFTER playing through Gold and Silver. Maybe I'm just sad.
ALSO, Beyond Good and Evil. I'd been playing through that game for around five years, because I kept getting stuck. I just went through the whole thing in a few days, and it was so worth the wait. That game is awesome.
And that was AFTER playing through Gold and Silver. Maybe I'm just sad.
ALSO, Beyond Good and Evil. I'd been playing through that game for around five years, because I kept getting stuck. I just went through the whole thing in a few days, and it was so worth the wait. That game is awesome.
Dragon Age was the last to blow my mind, purely for immersion. The story was passable, and the graphics were nice, but I felt amazed for the level of role playing involved. I was also moved by most conversations I engaged with Leliana. Through her I felt more connected to Ferelden than any codex I read.
As for story and characters, Lost Odyssey is still the one that last rocked my world. I've played it around 5-6 times purely for the story. It became like watching a favourite DVD.
As for story and characters, Lost Odyssey is still the one that last rocked my world. I've played it around 5-6 times purely for the story. It became like watching a favourite DVD.