Evolution is real. Its a real thing that really does happen and did happen. Gah!

[CJ1145]

Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.

I'd say about 60% of religious people are like that. Fucking dunces, all of them. And that's coming from a Christian, mind you.

I do believe that micro-evolution is a thing. Every day we observe species adapting to their environments, and it'd be ignorant to try and ignore it. But, when someone tells me that I either get to believe in macro-evolution or God, I pick God.

Call me an optimist, an idealist, a close-minded idiot, a juggalo, whatever you'd like. But personally, I see just too much beauty in the world to be able to live with the notion that we're here because some goop under some rocks had some technical difficulties one day and sprouted life.

 

[Brandon237]

Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.

I'd say about 60% of religious people are like that. Fucking dunces, all of them. And that's coming from a Christian, mind you.

I do believe that micro-evolution is a thing. Every day we observe species adapting to their environments, and it'd be ignorant to try and ignore it. But, when someone tells me that I either get to believe in macro-evolution or God, I pick God.

Call me an optimist, an idealist, a close-minded idiot, a juggalo, whatever you'd like. But personally, I see just too much beauty in the world to be able to live with the notion that we're here because some goop under some rocks had some technical difficulties one day and sprouted life.

Or you could appreciate that beauty even more when you realise just what it has taken for it to get there. Over a billion years of trial-and-error survival for you and that beauty to be where you are. A testament to the hardiness and perseverance of life should make that beauty all the more exhilarating!

As for the OP: I know some really clever people, but when it comes to evolution and modern scientific theories... no. Just no. It is actually really saddening

 

[CJ1145]

Or you could appreciate that beauty even more when you realise just what it has taken for it to get there. Over a billion years of trial-and-error survival for you and that beauty to be where you are. A testament to the hardiness and perseverance of life should make that beauty all the more exhilarating!

Eh, not worth it. There are so many wonderful people on the earth, or that once were here, that gave their whole being to the purpose of doing good for those around them. Their deeds were something that I admire more than anything else, so much that I can't bring myself to insult their memory by saying they're nothing more than memories and a collection of decomposing particles floating in the air or under some dirt.

I know it's illogical; but I think the greatest compliments I can pay to them are to believe that they get SOME kind of work they did, and quite obviously to dedicate myself to continuing that work.

And to be clear, I am NOT talking about religious leaders/preachers/etc. Except maybe Luthor for the whole "No more paying to get into heaven" thing, but he had his own host of moral qualms that might remove him from the list.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

Think about this.

People say a baby grows up right? Well if a baby grew up wouldn't it just be a giant baby? Wouldn't the change be more similar to a tadpole evolving into a frog?

 

[evilneko]

Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.

I'd say about 60% of religious people are like that. Fucking dunces, all of them. And that's coming from a Christian, mind you.

I do believe that micro-evolution is a thing. Every day we observe species adapting to their environments, and it'd be ignorant to try and ignore it. But, when someone tells me that I either get to believe in macro-evolution or God, I pick God.

Call me an optimist, an idealist, a close-minded idiot, a juggalo, whatever you'd like. But personally, I see just too much beauty in the world to be able to live with the notion that we're here because some goop under some rocks had some technical difficulties one day and sprouted life.

Accepting "micro" but not "macro" evolution is equivalent to believing in inches but not feet. There's no magical dividing line.

Plus, the world is far more wondrous if it came about naturally.

 

[tobi the good boy]

Punctuated Equilibrium Mother Fuckers!

OT: I still don't quite understand how people can consider it as a falsehood at this point, I just kind of avoid those people.

 

[Jacco]

Why are people so fucking stupid?! I don't get it!

I don't know, why to people think its ok for them to call people stupid because a few dont believe in a theory that cant be tested unless we observe for thousands of years when they're other hypothesis that also have merit, but it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of thing whether you believe it or not because we're already here so fuck it.

In the last two days, I've actually come across several people in my daily life that legit think evolution is a conspiracy, a farce, *insert derogatory name here* etc.

And tons of people believe the 9/11 conspiracies whats your point?

Evolution is a measurable thing that we can WATCH HAPPEN! STOP THE STUPIDITY!!!

no we cant because we cant live for more than 100 years at best, and evolution only became a 'thing' back in the 1800s while evolution is a process that happens over thousands upon thousands of years.

End rant. Someone please tell me these people are not the norm. Someone! Anyone!

Share your stories about interactions with people who say its not real.

1. you are just as single minded as they are.
2. people have different beliefs on the creation of the earth and the human race.
3. evolution is not 'fact' or scientific law. it is a theory and still has room for improvement or even the possibility of being disprove altogether.
Hell the big bang is becoming less and less popular as more evidence is shown.
4. If you actually got your head out of your ass and stopped with the "Stop believing in what i don't believe" mentality You'd find that there is evidence for alot of other creation theories.
Plus, evolution from monkeys is disappointing, monkeys suck, now raptors ....that shit would be awesome.....or a land shark species.

You completely missed the point of my thread and just show that you don't know or understand anything about evolution. I'm not calling them dumb for what they believe, I'm calling them dumb for rejecting solid and verified evidence. They simply say "Nope. I don't believe it so it's not true."

It's ridiculous.

And we can watch evolution happen. It's called micro-evolution and you can watch it happen from generation to generation. We also didn't evolve from monkeys. We came from a similar ancestor that monkeys did but that were not what we call monkeys today.

I have no problem with people believing what they want to. But simply dismissing evidence because they want to is fucking stupid and they should be called as such.

 

[azukar]

(snip)
captcha: forbidden fruit.
Kinda fitting.

Love the captcha!

But no. There's no reason to believe that some kind of god caused all these coincidences that led to life. No reason to think that our world was "engineered", as you say.

Ultimately, your seemingly (to me) incompatible beliefs baffle me, but that's not really my problem. My own background suggests other explanations for life's complexity.

Luckily, regardless of yours or my view, the truth doesn't change.

 

[AzureArchon]

Well, I went through a couple pages and didn't see anything about the Lenski affair, so I thought maybe I'd post it.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair

This probably isn't the best example of the Lenski Affair, but it's by far the least biased.

I didn't go through 13 pages seeing if anyone else had posted this, so sorry if this a repost.

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

Lots of niggling little questions I have, be they "Where'd the first incidence of life come from, and how did it come up with a method of reproduction over one lifespan?"

I feel like there are alot of people who forget questions like that. Because if they really thought about it, it'd be pretty mystifying unless they attributed it to something divine. I guess we evolved from water, I don't know.

Another one is gravity. We understand how it works....but why does it happen? Why are things attracted to one another? Maybe someone has an answer for me here, something I missed in physics class.

But to the point, I remember my friends argued with me that being gay was a choice. I thought they must have been living in a box.

 

[evilneko]

Lots of niggling little questions I have, be they "Where'd the first incidence of life come from, and how did it come up with a method of reproduction over one lifespan?"

I feel like there are alot of people who forget questions like that. Because if they really thought about it, it'd be pretty mystifying unless they attributed it to something divine. I guess we evolved from water, I don't know.

Another one is gravity. We understand how it works....but why does it happen? Why are things attracted to one another? Maybe someone has an answer for me here, something I missed in physics class.

But to the point, I remember my friends argued with me that being gay was a choice. I thought they must have been living in a box.

Well, evolution is not about the origin of life itself. It's about how life, once it exists, becomes diversified. What you're looking for is abiogenesis.

 

[lacktheknack]

Another one is gravity. We understand how it works....but why does it happen? Why are things attracted to one another? Maybe someone has an answer for me here, something I missed in physics class.

My physics teacher said "All we know is what's observed. We can predict its effects on any object, we can label the forces involved, we can write formulae for it.

As for how it works, I dunno lol."

You know you're dealing with something brain-breaking when it makes your teacher say "I dunno lol".

 

[Drizzitdude]

Jyggalag tells me evolution is legit so I believe it. I mean who is going to argue with that guy? He is so shiny...

 

[Denamic]

People who do not believe in evolution should probably be terrified of hospitals, seeing as evolutionary biology is integral to modern medicine. Stick to throwing salt over your shoulder or sacrifice a bird at 5pm at the south-east corner of your house, or whatever.

 

[Pebblig]

I think the reason many people struggle to grasp the theory of evolution and then deny it as that they don't understand it. It seems like a lot of people think that "evolution" means that an organism gives birth to another with superior characteristics so it is then better adapted, just 'cos it could.

I always think it's just better to talk about it as "natural selection" and not even mention evolution, then people can't get confused and can just understand that those organisms with the adoptions that make them best suited to their environment survive, therefore they become the majority of the population....and that those different characteristics came from generations of random mutations and crossing over in sexual reproduction.

I don't understand how it is confusing D=

 

[Pebblig]

My physics teacher said "All we know is what's observed. We can predict its effects on any object, we can label the forces involved, we can write formulae for it.

As for how it works, I dunno lol."

You know you're dealing with something brain-breaking when it makes your teacher say "I dunno lol".

One of our points in our Physics A level specification was:

"describe how a mass creates a gravitational
field in the space around it"

My teacher was like, "you can't be expected to answer that as I can't"...so in the end we just settled that we had to know that mass has a gravitational field around it.

 

[dayjack01]

Some monkeys might of not evolved becuase of the differant genes in them like the species we evolved from were one type of monkeys while the monkeys we see today area differant species

 

[DancePuppets]

My physics teacher said "All we know is what's observed. We can predict its effects on any object, we can label the forces involved, we can write formulae for it.

As for how it works, I dunno lol."

You know you're dealing with something brain-breaking when it makes your teacher say "I dunno lol".

One of our points in our Physics A level specification was:

"describe how a mass creates a gravitational
field in the space around it"

My teacher was like, "you can't be expected to answer that as I can't"...so in the end we just settled that we had to know that mass has a gravitational field around it.

It depends entirely on how deep you decide to go, you can keep asking "how" indefinitely, but at some point there will be something fundamental at which point "how" no longer has any meaning. An example would be "what is an electron made of"? Grammatically, that question makes sense, but it makes no physical sense as all current evidence points to an electron being a fundamental particle (ie. it cannot be broken down further).

In the case of gravity, current evidence suggests that the bending of spacetime we observe as gravitational attraction is a fundamental property of something with mass (ie. matter). Current theories posit that mass is caused via interactions with the Higgs boson, although I don't know the details as I'm an astrophysicist not a particle theorist.

 

[DancePuppets]

My physics teacher said "All we know is what's observed. We can predict its effects on any object, we can label the forces involved, we can write formulae for it.

As for how it works, I dunno lol."

You know you're dealing with something brain-breaking when it makes your teacher say "I dunno lol".

One of our points in our Physics A level specification was:

"describe how a mass creates a gravitational
field in the space around it"

My teacher was like, "you can't be expected to answer that as I can't"...so in the end we just settled that we had to know that mass has a gravitational field around it.

Oh, and I'd guess that the answer to the question asked is something along the lines of mass bends spacetime around it creating the observed gravitational field.

 

[B4iendu]

Okay, I apologize before hand if someone else already made this observation in an earlier post, as I did not read all 13 pages of this thread.

My two cents:

Evolution is a RELIGION. It is not theory.
Scientific theories have proof to support the existence of the theory. For example: I drop a ball, it falls to the ground, therefore providing proof of the theory of Gravity.
Now ask yourself these questions:

1. If we evolved from monkeys slowly over the centuries, then why have we not found several skeletal remains of our ancestors that bridge the gap as they were changing? We find plenty of monkey and human remains but nothing in between, why?

2. Why don't monkeys and other life forms continue to evolve today?

3. Why weren't all monkeys erased from the earth as more and more of them became man?

4. What started all of this? What instigated the Big Bang, The Primordial Soup, and so on that began the first stages of evolution?

There is no real answers for any of these questions, that is supported by proof. Since there is no proof, then it is a belief. Belief in a higher power or event or happening that can't be proven by tangible evidence is a religion. Now I'm not going to dispute whether or not it's right to believe in Evolution. That is your freedom to decide. However, there is no proof to justify calling Evolution a theory.