Evolve Dev: "I Don't Like People Thinking We're Doing Dirty, Underhanded S***"
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The sad thing is that I see apologists hanging around Youtube that are still attempting to defend the game because they already invested time or money into it, which makes them feel the need to justify sunk costs by attempting to hide how ridiculous this all is behind the alleged quality of the game, which will somehow redeem it from the massive money snorting it expects to succeed. Maybe they should have put their money down on Star Citizen.
Look at the mess that destiny became, a semi finished story with no real closure and DLC that added very little to the mix. Hopefully Evolve won't just do the same as that with this DLC policy.
Be like buying a book with the last 4 chapters sold seperately, wouldn't happen in that industry so why do game devs do it.
Be like buying a book with the last 4 chapters sold seperately, wouldn't happen in that industry so why do game devs do it.
When pre-order and DLC announcements are coming out before the damn game is even announced, no one knows what it is and there are no trailers or even screenshots of the thing, that's a lot more then one executive just saying something that gets misread.
As gamers we keep getting told to buy shit because "don't worry, you can trust us!" and then we end up with some broken, buggy mess like Assassin's Creed Unity or Aliens: Colonial Marines.
If you're wondering why we have knee-jerk reactions to this kind of thing, it's because you keep stabbing us in the back.
As gamers we keep getting told to buy shit because "don't worry, you can trust us!" and then we end up with some broken, buggy mess like Assassin's Creed Unity or Aliens: Colonial Marines.
If you're wondering why we have knee-jerk reactions to this kind of thing, it's because you keep stabbing us in the back.
It sometimes feels like I'm a dinosaur in the gaming world when business practices have moved so far beyond what they were when I was growing up that I just want to throw cats at young people and complain about how I don't understand what's going on around me. I game Evolve a pass when they announced their preorder options. It's the same reason I haven't bought any shooters in years, despite being a fan. I'm not going to buy your fucking game twice. Take your season passes and your dlcs with one character for 15 bucks and low content out of the gate and sell them to some other sucker. I don't think it's underhanded or shitty, I'm not confused or misinformed about what you're doing. I just see it for what it is and don't think that it's for me.
I think Jim said it pretty well. They put the cart before the horse, the cart being DLC and the horse being the actual game.
Offer a complete game now, offer the DLC later. Don't offer the DLC before the first screenshot of the game is even available, and DON'T offer day-one DLC. Pre-orders are the enemy of consumers. If they truly intended to be consumer-friendly, they made really a lousy first impression. Still, to be fair, the rottenness of pre-orders is lessened a bit by the fact that the beta is available for play, meaning it's not a completely blind purchase.
Lots of people were really impressed with the beta of the game, which had none of this DLC. Presenting the DLC right now makes it look like that stuff COULD be in the game, but won't be because it could be bought as DLC instead. Presenting it later at least suggests that it was an idea conceived after the game was released.
Offer a complete game now, offer the DLC later. Don't offer the DLC before the first screenshot of the game is even available, and DON'T offer day-one DLC. Pre-orders are the enemy of consumers. If they truly intended to be consumer-friendly, they made really a lousy first impression. Still, to be fair, the rottenness of pre-orders is lessened a bit by the fact that the beta is available for play, meaning it's not a completely blind purchase.
Lots of people were really impressed with the beta of the game, which had none of this DLC. Presenting the DLC right now makes it look like that stuff COULD be in the game, but won't be because it could be bought as DLC instead. Presenting it later at least suggests that it was an idea conceived after the game was released.
I too remember those glorious days where you bought a game for good money, and got a good amount of content.SecondPrize said:
I was kinda interested in Evolve before. I liked L4D a lot, and really appreciate teamwork orientated games. I'm not paying £35 for a base of a game that seems pretty bare bones, and that will inevitably make me feel left out and annoyed when I see others using content I don't have. It's like Payday 2 all over again. No I don't want to keep giving you money for content I strongly feel should have been in the game to start with.
To me, it feels like the majority of the planned dlc would already be in the game at launch if they were serious about the game. It doesn't make me feel like I'd be buying a passion project, it makes it feel cynical and cheap.
Pro Tip: If you have to explain to people how you're NOT doing dirty, underhanded shit, you ARE doing dirty, underhanded shit.
Honestly, this just sounds like a PR fuck up rather than moneygrabbing although we won't know for sure until the game is released. If the core game feels incomplete then yeah, I can understand why people are pissed. It's not like DLC or expansion packs are only ever thought about after a game's release though, so I'm wary of casting too much judgement until we've actually gotten any evidence to back up accusations. I understand why gamers have reacted so badly to an extent, given how some developers/publishers have abused them, but jumping to conclusions any time DLC gets mentioned before a game's release seems slightly ridiculous to me.