Extra Punctuation: Pokemon 100 Percenters Are Mad

[DevilWolf47]

Pokemon 100% were mad when the series only had 150. The fact that neither games really are complete, they only contain about 75% of the content and you need to trade with a "Friend" to get everything is proof enough of that, but there's now...
...
...don't tell me. I don't even want to try and guess how many Pokemon there are now. It's too depressing.

 

[ProtoChimp]

I have this thing where I'll never ever try to 100% something, unless it's an RPG. If it's an RPG then I want to get every single fuckng thing I can get, but I still have fun when I do that... even though I probably spent more time reading the guides on Dragon Age Origins wikia page than actually playing the game, whcih is just a little bit fucked.

 

[radioactive lemur]

I don't understand why Yahtzee thinks football is the basis, or even a significant part of UK culture. The UK has only 2 football teams and both suck. They would get destroyed by even the crappiest American college team. I mean seriously, if your entire culture is based around these guys, it`s a pretty shitty culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Monarchs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Claymores

They don't play arm pit egg in England, it's actual football, you know - the most popular sport in the world played or supported by 4 billion people. Real men's footy.

Are you perchance referring to a vastly inferior game played by wusses who fall down if exposed to a slight breeze that is known not as football, but soccer?

 

[Doc Theta Sigma]

I don't understand why Yahtzee thinks football is the basis, or even a significant part of UK culture. The UK has only 2 football teams and both suck. They would get destroyed by even the crappiest American college team. I mean seriously, if your entire culture is based around these guys, it`s a pretty shitty culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Monarchs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Claymores

They don't play arm pit egg in England, it's actual football, you know - the most popular sport in the world played or supported by 4 billion people. Real men's footy.

Don't feed the troll.

 

[Nostalgia]

One thing

'Gotta Catch 'Em All' has not been the Pokémon tagline since the 90s. POKÉMON HAS NO CURRENT TAGLINE

Well, a little bit after the 90's. I believe it was dropped when R&S came out.

What I was actually going to say is that this was purely an American slogan.
The Japanese one was simply "Getto da ze!" which does not reference catching them all. It simply means to get Pokemon. I got one! I caught one! etc.

Getto is the Japanese pronunciation of the English 'get' (they do this a lot)
Da is to be. (casual form compared to desu)
Ze is a particle exclamation that serves to either make an agreement or declaration that is commonly used by men.


I'm not undermining the collection aspect of the game, but reading old skool nutters reference this slogan as Word of God when trying to use it as an argument for the inclusion of newer Pokemon is getting really old.

As far as this article is concerned - some people don't need rewards to collect. (why do people feel like they always need to be rewarded anyway? Didn't get your papers hung up on the fridge when you were younger or something?)
If you feel that someone is simply completing every facet of the game even though they do not enjoy it, they either want to most they can get out of that game or have truly obsessive qualities that probably pop up in other aspects of their life.
Calling it exploitative makes this article kind of come of a bit hysterical. Am I going to be told to think of the children next?

 

[Vect]

I generally don't complete quests if I think it's going to be too serious of a pain in the ass with a reward that just isn't worth it.


I remember that the game Nier seems to have sidequests designed specifically to be as infuriating as possible in order to troll 100% completionists. All of the infuriating ones usually involve grinding for some item that has a low drop rate with the reward being some chump change and nothing else (save for a bit of banter between characters occasionally). Some of the resolutions make this even more unsatisfying since they just go "Huh you know what, I don't really need it anymore. Here's your change and g'bye."

 

[hooksashands]

I just don't understand the Pokemon universe on a conceptual level. Why haven't the pokemon revolted against their human masters? They all speak the same language, and surely no self-aware being wants to be born a slave.

 

[Sabinfrost]

Wouldn't giving a 100% nutter oral sex encourage their bad habit. I mean sure, it wont seem like such a bad habit anymore with that kind of reward system, but they would still be wasting their life over it.

 

[Liudeius]

Why does Yatzee not realize that "100%"ing pokemon is just about impossible? Very few people actually make notable progress towards it

 

[Chibz]

Extra Punctuation: Pokemon 100 Percenters Are Mad

Yahtzee wants you to reward the sick bastards who must "catch 'em all."

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Cute, Yahtzee. You managed to miss the point of ANOTHER game entirely. How about you stop pretending to be a reviewer (Or "critic" as YOU say. They are synonymous) and bugger off?

For those who don't know: Pokemon is now considered highly competitive. "Catching them all" isn't the point anymore. It hasn't been the point in like three gens. Sigh.

 

[Natural 20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AlhaJF5Afw

Argue this person isn't happy.

Oh wait he is.

I win.

 

[Pseudopod]

There seems to be a lot of big generalizations about why people play Pokemon. Most people I know don't try to complete the dex anymore. "Catch 'em all" hasn't been Pokemon's tagline for a long while, and I consider the huge list of Pokemon more valuable for keeping the game from becoming stale than they are for merely collecting.

I am not quite what I'd call a "competitive" Pokemon player since I rarely play against human beings. I mostly play against the computer in the battle tower/subway, sometimes solo, sometimes coop, and therefore enjoy raising different Pokemon to try new strategies. A huge list of Pokemon means there's loads of combinations of types, stats, movesets, and abilities and it's impossible to have a perfect team. I dislike battling being overly centralized around a few "best Pokemon," or the idea of a Pokemon only having one counter. Every time they release new Pokemon, the game gets more fun by giving me more choices and strategies to try out. They improve the experience whether I'm catching them all or not. It also makes the first play of a new generation Pokemon game loads of fun, thanks to the experience of discovering and learning about the new additions through battling and raising them.

On the topic of being a 100 Percenter, I agree that some people take it to extremes and do thoroughly unfun things in the interest of completion. I also think that sometimes, a game is fun and it's great to have more excuses to play it. My leisure time is valuable, so whenever I bother completing anything optional in a game, it's because I'm enjoying myself and want a reason to play more. I think Pokemon is fun, so I do fill the dex. If it becomes a grind, I do something else for a while. In Black and White, I've been alternating between levelling up Pokemon for evolutions, hatching eggs, raising Pokemon for the subway, passing up Pokemon from Soul Silver, doing daily events, using the GTS, and fighting on the Subway. There's plenty of different things to do that keep me having fun and make it so I don't have a dull grind.

In short: there's more than one way to play Pokemon.

 

[Mutak]

I always refer to them as "completionists" and imo it's just a sign of latent OCD. A good game doesn't have to resort to cheap psychological tricks to get you to play it.

 

[Tumedus]

Ha, you've had to reply to these questions so many times in the one thread now XD I love useless Zelda facts and I can confirm that he is supposed to be unable to beat, I'm sure Miyamoto said it himself.

Which he has. He says he hates 100% completers. Hence the unbeatable challenge. Also, I know! The first explanation was like 12 posts down on the same page. It was kind of getting on my nerves after the fifth time.

As someone who could be considered a 100% completer, I don't think the race in OoT really counts.

There is no achievement for it, there is no reward (as it is unbeatable) it is simply what I would call flavor.

Now if the challenge insinuated that you could get a heart piece and there were actually 1 less than a full heart available in the game, that would be a different story. It would also be deliciously evil, even for someone like me who would tear his hair out trying to figure out what I missed.


As for the topic as a whole, I may not be the norm, but I only 100% games that I enjoy. If I don't like the game, I don't bother. If I do like the game I just look at it as giving me incentive to play more and/or discover every nook and cranny the game has to offer.

 

[crudus]

As someone who could be considered a 100% completer, I don't think the race in OoT really counts.

There is no achievement for it, there is no reward (as it is unbeatable) it is simply what I would call flavor.

Now if the challenge insinuated that you could get a heart piece and there were actually 1 less than a full heart available in the game, that would be a different story. It would also be deliciously evil, even for someone like me who would tear his hair out trying to figure out what I missed.


As for the topic as a whole, I may not be the norm, but I only 100% games that I enjoy. If I don't like the game, I don't bother. If I do like the game I just look at it as giving me incentive to play more and/or discover every nook and cranny the game has to offer.

Yes, that is known now. The game came out 13 years ago. It probably did cause people to pull their hair out in anger 12 years ago.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Bliss]

I disagree, I'm somewhat of a hardcore pokefag myself, but I haven't caught them all, and I think you'd find most Pokemon players haven't either.
We play Pokemon not only for the incredibly immersive story and gameplay :3 but for the metagame.

If you look at the games more closely you'll find Game Freak pitches both at the children's market, but also to a more adult audience as they have input ways of altering Pokemons' stats etc. into the games.

So in a way the game is a 100% game in that you try and max out the stats of select Pokemon, RNG for shinies etc, but it is a much more complicated and challenging, PVP oriented game than people think.

It's still a collecting game in that you try and collect a variety of strong, maxed out Pokemon, but you collect them because those Pokemon actually have a use for PVPing.
There aren't nearly as many actual battle viable Pokemon as there are Pokemon, so the collection isn't enormous, just tough.

Well at least that's what I do, I know there are pure collectors out there.

 

[Tumedus]

As someone who could be considered a 100% completer, I don't think the race in OoT really counts.

There is no achievement for it, there is no reward (as it is unbeatable) it is simply what I would call flavor.

Now if the challenge insinuated that you could get a heart piece and there were actually 1 less than a full heart available in the game, that would be a different story. It would also be deliciously evil, even for someone like me who would tear his hair out trying to figure out what I missed.


As for the topic as a whole, I may not be the norm, but I only 100% games that I enjoy. If I don't like the game, I don't bother. If I do like the game I just look at it as giving me incentive to play more and/or discover every nook and cranny the game has to offer.

Yes, that is known now. The game came out 13 years ago. It probably did cause people to pull their hair out in anger 12 years ago.

Actually I played it when it originally came out (weekend before actually) so my experience with it was in regards to that time. However, I worked at Nintendo as a game counselor so was under a time crunch to beat it before all the puzzles got spoiled and was able to find out about his unbeatable status pretty quickly after finishing it.

Fwiw, I don't remember more than a couple calls about the running man other than those regarding the bunny hood. So not too many people were bothered by it, at least not enough to blow 60 cents a minute on it. The water temple, on the other hand, people blew massive amounts of money for help on that place

 

[crudus]

Actually I played it when it originally came out (weekend before actually) so my experience with it was in regards to that time. However, I worked at Nintendo as a game counselor so was under a time crunch to beat it before all the puzzles got spoiled and was able to find out about his unbeatable status pretty quickly after finishing it.

Fwiw, I don't remember more than a couple calls about the running man other than those regarding the bunny hood. So not too many people were bothered by it, at least not enough to blow 60 cents a minute on it. The water temple, on the other hand, people blew massive amounts of money for help on that place

Well, I am sure any and all frustration was worth it to Shigeru Miyamoto. It wasn't going to take long to figure out the challenge was unbeatable anyway even without the internet.

 

[blindthrall]

Yahtzee made a Preacher reference. I'll admit to hundred-percenting in Red Dead Redemption and Vice City, just because it's a challenge to do that in a Rockstar game. I fucking hate that knife-pokey finger game in RDR.

Did you do RDR 100% or did you get the platinum trophy? 100% in itself was pretty hard, but I'm now at 120 hours and counting for reaching the platinum trophy. All that's left for me to do now is get to level 50 in multiplayer.

100 goddamn percent, but Xbox. The heavy weapons trophy is glitched, you have to kill 500 people with each kind of emplaced gun. The cannon is hard cause nobody spawns there. Five-finger fillet took me an entire day to beat. But I am the Liar's Dice MASTER.