If he watched the 4kids one then yeah I'd call it a cartoon too because of how much they changed it.Richardplex said:
OT: Oh well then he's going to like Batman: Arkham City... at least I think he will.
Extra Punctuation: Sidequests Good and Bad
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OT: Oh well then he's going to like Batman: Arkham City... at least I think he will.
May be getting sidetracked here, but I played Radiant Historia recently, and the reason why I liked the sidequests there was that aside from the organic nature of finding people in need as a result of unfolding events rather than just any kind of arbitrary issue (which tucks them neatly into the main story), is the fact that you have to completely screw with causality in order to solve most of them, since they involve snapping back and forth between points on your timeline. In fact, some of them will actually notice that what you've done to help them is technically impossible, but are entirely happy to shrug off the means for the end result.
Then it turns out that those isolated acts of kindness do end up actually affecting things later on. Joke's on you!
I'd like to note that you are in fact, just a time traveling delivery boy still, but the fact is, you're the only one able to do it, and the abilities you were given are granted for that specific responsibility to repair damage done to time by the big bad, so they really do need your help.
Then it turns out that those isolated acts of kindness do end up actually affecting things later on. Joke's on you!
I'd like to note that you are in fact, just a time traveling delivery boy still, but the fact is, you're the only one able to do it, and the abilities you were given are granted for that specific responsibility to repair damage done to time by the big bad, so they really do need your help.
When I first completed the game, I completed it fine without Omnislash and Knights of the Round. So they certainly aren't required.cefm said:
Personally I'm not a big fan of sidequests in general unless they add story or give some nice dialogue. Otherwise they're just often monotonous and boring. As an example, Xenoblade is renowned for it's ridiculous amount of side quests. Around 400 to be exact. However, I would have much rathered them to only have about 100, and all those 100 be extremely well made, story, dialogue and all. Rather than 400 average sidequests.
Mind you even games which have interesting sidequests, like Yakuza 4 aren't perfect. You needed a guide of sorts to be able to find all the sidequests in that, since the tracking wasn't brilliant.
I miss the days of Morrowind... I enjoyed that it gave you nothing but a description of the quest. Maybe the name of an area, or a person... sometimes just a general direction.
I enjoyed the fact that it didn't mark the exact spot on your map. It allowed you to explore and discover on your own. Sure, sometimes it was difficult to find things with this system... but it brought a great sense of accomplishment when you found your goal.
I don't like the continuing trend of mapping the EXACT location of a side quest (Hell, even the main quest) on your map and having the game say "GO HERE, DUMMY"
I enjoyed the fact that it didn't mark the exact spot on your map. It allowed you to explore and discover on your own. Sure, sometimes it was difficult to find things with this system... but it brought a great sense of accomplishment when you found your goal.
I don't like the continuing trend of mapping the EXACT location of a side quest (Hell, even the main quest) on your map and having the game say "GO HERE, DUMMY"
Well we already knew you watched Pokemon.
Probably most of us here did, including me.
So yeah, valid points on a worthy topic as always!
Probably most of us here did, including me.
So yeah, valid points on a worthy topic as always!
While that's true, there's the other problem, exhibited by games like Prototype, Infamous, and Just Cause 2--where you might occasionally forget about the story altogether, because the side quests are the meat of the game. No one I know, when shown Prototype or Just Cause 2, ran straight for the missions. Several people forgot wholesale what the game was about, plot-wise, and it's not hard to see why. Consider a sample of gameplay from JC2: on the way to a mission, you find a stronghold, on the way to the stronghold, you find a village. Just past the village, you find an airport, and suddenly you're on the other side of the map, surfing a 777 into a seaside shanty, or doing circuits in of a highway in an ultralite. You have long since neglected any iota of this being a time-sensitive affair, and now exist in the game world independently, and purposelessly so, with no motive other than "blow shit up". And while blowing shit up might be the entirety of the game, it is really just the side quest to the main plot--but the side quests become the game here.
Well, maybe 'problem' isn't the right word. But, for someone who occasionally rags about games breaking flow, or being congruent, or having an unfocused game, then bringing up the occurrence that a game's ancillary material becomes it's primary material should be something you discuss alongside the right and wrong way a developer can use side quests.
Well, maybe 'problem' isn't the right word. But, for someone who occasionally rags about games breaking flow, or being congruent, or having an unfocused game, then bringing up the occurrence that a game's ancillary material becomes it's primary material should be something you discuss alongside the right and wrong way a developer can use side quests.
Like what. There's nothing distracting at all in inFamous. You have required plot missions and you have required clean up the city missions (well, I supposed you could not do them if you want to be constantly raped by enemies and never be able to get anywhere in the game). Beyond that, there is nothing. Okay, very rarely you will encounter people trying to hang some dude, and if you're bad Cole, NPCs will throw rocks at you which don't do any damage or impede you in any way.
inFamous is not a sandbox at all. The only thing to distract players from their actual duty in inFamous is how damn awful the game is and the player's desire to rip the disc from their PS3 and put a fun game in instead.
Yes I've come to call this the Harry Truman effect (from the Jim Carey movie), and the worst offender tends to be the Elder Scrolls series. It's one thing to build a large open ended game world to explore, but when the impression starts sinking in that everything is revolving around you the immersion starts to shatter.vivster said:
Haven't played RDR to see it matches up though.
Wrong, manga isn't an art-style. It can't be an art-style because a large number of wildly different art-styles are featured in things which are all considered "manga" (if you don't believe me, look at Crayon Shin Chan and then look at Lone Wolf and Cub). It's just the Japanese word for "comic book" (the Japanese reading of the Chinese word, if you want to get technical about it). Actually, if I were to walk down to the local bookstore right now (I'm living in Japan at the moment) I would find that all of their manga shelves are labeled with the English word "comics" written in katakana.CrankyStorming said:
Similarly, "anime" is just the Japanese word for "animation" and is used in Japanese to refer to any animated production, regardless of its origin. some people use it in English to specify Japanese animation, but no one is under any obligation to do so.
Just Cause 2 didn't really have side quests did it? Just complete this village or that base.
Oh no wait, I guess Faction missions count don't they. Still fun as hell, and JC2 is one of my all time favourite games.
Oh no wait, I guess Faction missions count don't they. Still fun as hell, and JC2 is one of my all time favourite games.
Personally I've always felt that the main plot is the meat, side-quests are the fix 'ems, and the bread counts for graphics and controls. If you're sinking your teeth into a really great steak sandwich you're more likely to finish it off even if the bread has desintigrated into a pile of juice-soggy scraps in your hand. Conversely, I'll always feel more than a little disappointed if you take a great herb-and-cheese bread and slap on a slice of ham so thin the pig didn't feel it come off his ass.
My point (finally) is that sidequests should be more than filler for a world. The should offer up activities you can't do during your main quest (or don't allow you to do often enough). They should give you unique sites to explore, unique puzzles to solve, and it should have an impact on the main story's progression.
My point (finally) is that sidequests should be more than filler for a world. The should offer up activities you can't do during your main quest (or don't allow you to do often enough). They should give you unique sites to explore, unique puzzles to solve, and it should have an impact on the main story's progression.
I'd just like to say that side quests are a lot more approachable when the main quest doesn't involve the main character dying of a disease in a few hours. If you've played the game, you know which one it is. I just felt really bad searching for collectables and side-quests when I'd just been yelled at for stopping to go to the bathroom instead of trying to find the cure.
I find it hard to do certain side quests if I dont find them itneresting..OR Idont have a vaild reason
I liked fallout new vegas in that all the "side" quests (there want much of a clear distinction) felt somhow tied up in the main plot....or at least they were interesting
I liked fallout new vegas in that all the "side" quests (there want much of a clear distinction) felt somhow tied up in the main plot....or at least they were interesting
though for some reason..in batman arkham city while the game looks absolutly awsome I find it very hard to make sense of my surroundings..its all very overwhemling, Id be a bit lost without the helpnikki191 said:
but yeah I dont thinkyou really need to blame gamers, itsalways a decision by the developer