I though it was alright. not the arc of the covenant, but not shit either. I thought it was well worth what I paid for, and it did what I wanted, give me entertainment. I hope Fable 3 is better though. and by the way, I don't get why Fable 2 was flamed so bad. there are so many worse games out there. case and point, Halo:ODST. they shoulda' kept THAT as a DLC. and Too Human, what the hell were they thinking?
Fable Rant, Defending Fable 2
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I played the first one, I didn't like it that much. It wasn't bad it just wasn't that good. It was pretty shallow in terms of development of skills compared to the games it was obviously looking at with a greedy eye. I'm playing Neverwinter Nights and I must say it's showing me how a real RPG is supposed to play. Immersion up the yin yang, an interesting story and varied gameplay in terms of what path you choose. Each class is incredibly deep with different feats, skills and gameplay (you can also multiclass to your hearts content with an understandable negative). In Fable we all ended up with the same character, a big beefy warrior with good magic and a bow to pick off enemies.
I didn't like every change that occured in the sequel, but I actually liked it more than the first.
Fable 2 was basically fable 1 without a final boss. Started the same way, lose your family, cant get a new dog after the old one dies(wtf?), very anticlimactic ending. Oh yeah, no armor untill the DLC? Gtfo.
I liked Fable, but Fable II is the worst game I ever played (and no, I don't play that many compared to most people here). I didn't start keeping up with gaming news until about a year ago so I never once heard anything Peter Molyneaux said (though I can't see that influencing my opinion anyway). I have trouble believing that people dislike the game because of "hype backlash". It's just a bad, bad game.
The game is so vapid. Graphically, it's good, but they chose to give just about everything an ugly design. The combat just pissed me off, having magic powers tiered rather than assigned a button. Blocking and rolling were unlockable skills rather than just a given. Character customization was a joke, with just a few outfits to just from and a few haircuts and facial hair styles. Character interaction may be the worst thing about it though. NPCs just talk at you while at most you make some meaningless gestures. Theresa spits out pseudo wisdom teachings and the Lucien's motivations seemed muddy at best.
Though I finished the game (only because I bought it based on my enjoyment of the first game), I hated it long before I reached that now infamous final "fight". In just about everything the game attempts, it feels extremely shallow, be it combat, interaction, story, economics, inventory (Oh, god the horrible menu system) and the map itself. Lionhead just needs to figure out what kind of game they want to make and DO THAT. Doesn't matter to me now though. Nothing will ever get me to give Fable 3 a chance.
The game is so vapid. Graphically, it's good, but they chose to give just about everything an ugly design. The combat just pissed me off, having magic powers tiered rather than assigned a button. Blocking and rolling were unlockable skills rather than just a given. Character customization was a joke, with just a few outfits to just from and a few haircuts and facial hair styles. Character interaction may be the worst thing about it though. NPCs just talk at you while at most you make some meaningless gestures. Theresa spits out pseudo wisdom teachings and the Lucien's motivations seemed muddy at best.
Though I finished the game (only because I bought it based on my enjoyment of the first game), I hated it long before I reached that now infamous final "fight". In just about everything the game attempts, it feels extremely shallow, be it combat, interaction, story, economics, inventory (Oh, god the horrible menu system) and the map itself. Lionhead just needs to figure out what kind of game they want to make and DO THAT. Doesn't matter to me now though. Nothing will ever get me to give Fable 3 a chance.
Fable 2 was great dunno what everyone is complaning about sure the last boss was easy as hell but shooting him in the face while he was talking was one of the best experiences I've had in a game, ah revenge is sweet. Though I'm made you couldn't see you sis even if you did bring her back to life..:/
Molyenux promised so much in Fable 2, and I fell for it. I'm not angry; in fact I've learned an important lesson from this experience. I now know not to buy anything related to Molyenux. Simple as that. Sure, Fable 2 wasn't horrid, but there are so many games out there that I know I can trust to deliver, so why should I deviate from those games when they consistently give good results?
I loved fable and fable 2.
i keep both of them locked inside of a golden safe so they dont get scratched.
In all honesty, i think fable 2 was better then mass effect 2. Dont get me wrong, both mass effect games were cool, but when it came to replayability, mass effect felt a bit stale.
mass effect only had 3 choices really. Asshole, nice guy, or officer. And ofcouse, in mass effect 2, you had to make everyone love you or the ending sucks.
Fable/fable 2 felt way more open ended. I was able to play through it 3 times before i even put another game in my xbox.
It wasnt perfict, but when you compair it to Modern warfare 2, "The greatest shooting game of the year ever", it seems perfict.
When im tired of endless reaction tests and huge plot holes, i throw fable/fable 2 in.
Its a solid game is what im trying to say. It will in now way blow your feet off ((because your socks were on to tight)) but you will enjoy the time you have with it.
Oh, and dying your clothes neon pink and the farting at children was horribly addicting. I'll never get over naming my daughter "Nurgle".
i keep both of them locked inside of a golden safe so they dont get scratched.
In all honesty, i think fable 2 was better then mass effect 2. Dont get me wrong, both mass effect games were cool, but when it came to replayability, mass effect felt a bit stale.
mass effect only had 3 choices really. Asshole, nice guy, or officer. And ofcouse, in mass effect 2, you had to make everyone love you or the ending sucks.
Fable/fable 2 felt way more open ended. I was able to play through it 3 times before i even put another game in my xbox.
It wasnt perfict, but when you compair it to Modern warfare 2, "The greatest shooting game of the year ever", it seems perfict.
When im tired of endless reaction tests and huge plot holes, i throw fable/fable 2 in.
Its a solid game is what im trying to say. It will in now way blow your feet off ((because your socks were on to tight)) but you will enjoy the time you have with it.
Oh, and dying your clothes neon pink and the farting at children was horribly addicting. I'll never get over naming my daughter "Nurgle".
The Fable series for me has really just been mindless entertainment.
I mean, I never expected anything spectacular from them when I played them.
I really only have three problems with Fable 2. I never expected a great story from the Fable series, but I thought they would at least have ended Fable 2 with a boss fight. I also didn't really like that all meat gave you corruption (minor annoyance). They should have just stuck with the crunchy chicks. Lastly, I thought it was kind of cheap that the only real moral choice came at the end of the game. To my memory, there were only two things that affected the game later on; the donation to Barnum, and your choice with the wanted posters. I wish that they had included more in that area dependent on moral choices.
I enjoyed it nonetheless.
I mean, I never expected anything spectacular from them when I played them.
I really only have three problems with Fable 2. I never expected a great story from the Fable series, but I thought they would at least have ended Fable 2 with a boss fight. I also didn't really like that all meat gave you corruption (minor annoyance). They should have just stuck with the crunchy chicks. Lastly, I thought it was kind of cheap that the only real moral choice came at the end of the game. To my memory, there were only two things that affected the game later on; the donation to Barnum, and your choice with the wanted posters. I wish that they had included more in that area dependent on moral choices.
I enjoyed it nonetheless.
Fable 2 isn't the worst game on the 360, no, but it is uninspired, very linear, and very shallow. Fable 2 is accessible at the cost of depth, characterisation and scope; a casual RPG. Enjoyable, but short lived and while its fine to like and appreciate what it does, there are better offerings out there.
OP: If your entire argument about defending a game rest upon saying 'its bad but other things are worse' then it's not a very good argument. I clicked on this thread because I too liked Fable and I appreciate what Lionhead try to do with every game, unlike most developers they always seemed to try and push the boat out and deliver something different with every game.
Which is Fable 2's main problem it is almost impossible to be inovative with a direct sequel, the fans demand more of the same and as developers Lionhead were tasked with making Fable but better. I'd say they succeed in that respect but promised to be too inovative, add too many features and due to time/ money constrains they were unable to deliver everything that was promised.
The problem with Fable 2 is not that it is a bad game, we were promised too much! Developers go through hundreds of different gameplay ideas and new features for every game, most of which are scrapped. But Molyneux for all his talents disgression is not one of them and every single innovation Lionhead produces is tauted across the world many of which have to be removed. What we are left with is an amazing picture in our heads that sadly fails to live up to our expectations. But if you step back you realise Fable 2 is actually a thoroughly decent game, not a classic but deffinately worth a look.
Which is Fable 2's main problem it is almost impossible to be inovative with a direct sequel, the fans demand more of the same and as developers Lionhead were tasked with making Fable but better. I'd say they succeed in that respect but promised to be too inovative, add too many features and due to time/ money constrains they were unable to deliver everything that was promised.
The problem with Fable 2 is not that it is a bad game, we were promised too much! Developers go through hundreds of different gameplay ideas and new features for every game, most of which are scrapped. But Molyneux for all his talents disgression is not one of them and every single innovation Lionhead produces is tauted across the world many of which have to be removed. What we are left with is an amazing picture in our heads that sadly fails to live up to our expectations. But if you step back you realise Fable 2 is actually a thoroughly decent game, not a classic but deffinately worth a look.
Yes, Fable 2 was a bad game. The reason for this is they took so many of the amazing features OUT of TLC then made the plot utter crap and moved the timeline forward to a time when there are no other heroes(boring)). Sequels to amazing games like Fable shouldn't be that hard to pull off.
Is it the worst Xbox 360 game though? No.
Is it the worst Xbox 360 game though? No.
To me, it was like Red Dead Redemption:
Too much spectacle, not enough depth of gameplay mechanics.
Yes it had a million things, but so many of them were shallow like buying a house, getting married, buying a whole district, collecting rent, working in a blacksmith, and so on, but none of them had [enough] depth.
Yes, I laughed at all the clever jokes hidden in the game, I loved watching my Hero flow through battle as if he were dancing in a very deadly manner, and I channeled my inner fashion designer when I dyed my clothes.
It had so many little details, but it just didn't quite have a strong enough core. The story was alright and the individual aspects of free roaming were alright, but none of them left a particular impact on me.
I think Peter Molyneaux had a great idea on paper, but the execution was diluted by the time it reached the game. Now, Fable 2 was not a bad game, but it was underwhelming. It was underwhelming because it had so many things to present me, and very few of them impressed me.
Games like Halo (not including anything after 2) and CoD4 were smashing successes because they had one impressive act. Halo brought vehicles and shields to multiplayer arenas while CoD4 made the first (impressive) splash into modern warfare and Gears of War made practical the now-standard cover system. Now I'm not saying that these video game tropes are any more prone to succeed than any of the aspects that Fable 2 tried to use, but rather that in these 3 shooters, they were employed with an unrivaled level of mastery.
Fable 2 simply tried to cover too much ground, and as a result it had no particular aspects that shone.
Too much spectacle, not enough depth of gameplay mechanics.
Yes it had a million things, but so many of them were shallow like buying a house, getting married, buying a whole district, collecting rent, working in a blacksmith, and so on, but none of them had [enough] depth.
Yes, I laughed at all the clever jokes hidden in the game, I loved watching my Hero flow through battle as if he were dancing in a very deadly manner, and I channeled my inner fashion designer when I dyed my clothes.
It had so many little details, but it just didn't quite have a strong enough core. The story was alright and the individual aspects of free roaming were alright, but none of them left a particular impact on me.
I think Peter Molyneaux had a great idea on paper, but the execution was diluted by the time it reached the game. Now, Fable 2 was not a bad game, but it was underwhelming. It was underwhelming because it had so many things to present me, and very few of them impressed me.
Games like Halo (not including anything after 2) and CoD4 were smashing successes because they had one impressive act. Halo brought vehicles and shields to multiplayer arenas while CoD4 made the first (impressive) splash into modern warfare and Gears of War made practical the now-standard cover system. Now I'm not saying that these video game tropes are any more prone to succeed than any of the aspects that Fable 2 tried to use, but rather that in these 3 shooters, they were employed with an unrivaled level of mastery.
Fable 2 simply tried to cover too much ground, and as a result it had no particular aspects that shone.
i played both and, though fable 2 wasn't as good as the first one, it was pretty good. id give the first one an A+ and the second a B or B-, i enjoyed it, didn't keep up with the hype though so wasn't really too disappointed, it wasn't as good as the first but then i thought most sequels to great games aren't as good.
Reaver is a little over 200 years old, and not 500.LogicNProportion said:
Personally the only things I didn't like about Fable II was that:
-there were no permenent deaths (Or at least go back to your last mid-quest checkpoint)
-all spells were cast in the same manner of Lost Chapters's fireball
-how you couldn't buy single items in bulk (Like in Lost Chapters)
-and how you couldn't bulk spam item using like in Lost Chapters. (I.E Everytime you wanted to use your potions or food, if you wanted to get one act of your stats up. You had to pause the game, go through a ton of menus, select said item. Then use it. While in the original you could do that but have a hotkey asigned to said item)
I bought Fable 2 first. Didn't hear the hype. Just new it was popular at the time. Played it, beat it, loved it. First game I played through twice. Shame about the ending, but being evil was still fun.
Peter Moloneux is also incredible at his job, might I say. People who have verbally said that they were not going to be hyped for Fable 3, have said days later that they were hyped for it cause of him!
Peter Moloneux is also incredible at his job, might I say. People who have verbally said that they were not going to be hyped for Fable 3, have said days later that they were hyped for it cause of him!
Considering the fact that Fable 3 isnt out yet, I would name Fable 2 my favourite game.
It is fun. The combat is easy to master, but still challenging after that. The story is good.
The characters are fun. The dog is adorable. NPC's are... Okay they are a pain in the arse. (neutral for the yay, they leave me alone)
And the ending, which people complain alot of, I think is great.
And the last boss I think is awesome. Cause he isnt some superhero, he is just a normal bloke with a magical tower.. Well, partly normal then.
The fact that one shot brings him down really speaks to me. Cause it brings alot of toughts to my mind. For example how fragile, even the most powerfull of beings can be. Had I not come along with my hero he could've wiped out Albion with a mere tought. But he was still just a normal person. And he died easily.
Also, I like the fact that you dont get armor. This is the future... Well, in Albion anyhow. People dont walk around in armor. You'd probally be arrested for drunk and disorderdly.
And the dog isnt annoying. I love that dog, I care for him. (one snack each day) Train him, and love him. To the extent I love a video game dog.
I can go on like this for a while. In generall: I love Fable 2 and Peter Molyneux is my god! Now if you will excuse me I am off to start the church of Lionhead.
It is fun. The combat is easy to master, but still challenging after that. The story is good.
The characters are fun. The dog is adorable. NPC's are... Okay they are a pain in the arse. (neutral for the yay, they leave me alone)
And the ending, which people complain alot of, I think is great.
And the last boss I think is awesome. Cause he isnt some superhero, he is just a normal bloke with a magical tower.. Well, partly normal then.
The fact that one shot brings him down really speaks to me. Cause it brings alot of toughts to my mind. For example how fragile, even the most powerfull of beings can be. Had I not come along with my hero he could've wiped out Albion with a mere tought. But he was still just a normal person. And he died easily.
Also, I like the fact that you dont get armor. This is the future... Well, in Albion anyhow. People dont walk around in armor. You'd probally be arrested for drunk and disorderdly.
And the dog isnt annoying. I love that dog, I care for him. (one snack each day) Train him, and love him. To the extent I love a video game dog.
I can go on like this for a while. In generall: I love Fable 2 and Peter Molyneux is my god! Now if you will excuse me I am off to start the church of Lionhead.
I really enjoyed it, it was a fun game. Some things were a bit predictable e.g. "Ah my ship has arrived" *thing appears and destroys it*
In general I found it funny and fun to play
Its one of my favourite rpgs and I can't wait to see what Fable 3 has to offer
In general I found it funny and fun to play
Its one of my favourite rpgs and I can't wait to see what Fable 3 has to offer
No it certainly wasnt the worst 360 release, but it was certainly one of the 360 purchases i've regretted the most - unlike most of the examples you give it had a complete reversal of expectations, which meant i couldnt dismiss it with a simple 'bad, meh, next' and instead felt lied to, used. Not a happy me. You buy, you play, its alright, promising, good even, and then at about the halfway mark it winds down, and down ,and down until the game starts slapping you in the face for each moral choice and pissing away Fry's character and all the story had been building toward up to the end.
Also, fuck the non-premium DLC, i'd never seen such bullshit. The free version comprises of a long download time followed up by an ingame advert in the form of a guy by a sub telling you that premium land is over yonder and requires a tenner for passage. NO! It's not a 'premium' version is its the only version, fuck them and the corporate smiley face mask, not buying any of it any more.
Also, fuck the non-premium DLC, i'd never seen such bullshit. The free version comprises of a long download time followed up by an ingame advert in the form of a guy by a sub telling you that premium land is over yonder and requires a tenner for passage. NO! It's not a 'premium' version is its the only version, fuck them and the corporate smiley face mask, not buying any of it any more.