Fallout 1 & 2

[Khazoth]

I love the holier then thou attitude some gamers take.


Makes me somewhat understand why people hated gamers so much.

Shooter fans have the small amount of their population that think they are the most talented thing to ever touch a controller.

RPG fans have the small amount of their population who think that they are the master race and all who were not apart of the cult "Back in the day" isn't welcome to the party.


Its like how Mass Effect and Fallout 3 get snubbed because they arn't Diablo Style top down games for the PC Master Race. Gaming is an artform, it evolves and adapts.

Its like Point and Click adventures and the amount of people who say that they died out because people are stupid. No, its because they were mostly moldy ass. No, I don't hate Point and Click Adventures, infact I have Sanitarium installed on my computer right now. But they were not good games, they were games that required you to rub objects on everything else in the world to try and figure out what exactly you would need to advance to the next area.



But back on topic, why do I hate Fallout?


Its Diablo, Diablo that requires you to pause every few seconds during the combat. That is exactly what I hated about the combat. If you are going to go click based, go click based, if you are going to go turn based go turn based. But the action point system is so sluggish and boring that turn based would have been a preferable.

Yes, Fallout 1 & 2 had many innovations and paved the way for better games. But some of us think that they are very bad games. To assume that anyone who hates your precious beloved game is an idiot is silly.


And yes, games did get easier, but they didn't get easier to accommodate for a newer generation that lacked intelligence.. They got easier so that everyone would have a chance to enjoy the game, not just the obsessive compulsives who visited the arcade every day and memorized every single special attack combination for every single character in Street Fighter.

Does that mean you don't like Planescape torment too?

Planescape: Torment is on my top ten favorite games.

 

[lordsandro]

Its Diablo, Diablo that requires you to pause every few seconds during the combat. That is exactly what I hated about the combat. If you are going to go click based, go click based, if you are going to go turn based go turn based. But the action point system is so sluggish and boring that turn based would have been a preferable.

Yes, Fallout 1 & 2 had many innovations and paved the way for better games. But some of us think that they are very bad games. To assume that anyone who hates your precious beloved game is an idiot is silly.

Does that mean you don't like Planescape torment too?

Planescape: Torment is on my top ten favorite games.

How so isn't Planescape just a Diablo with one main hero and now bows? (heavy sarcasm)

You could not missed the point more than that. Diablo is mindless click fest in wich the only way to get forward is to kill everything that moves. Fallout 2 can be ended without firing a single shot. (just go in youtube and type speedrun and fallout 2). The reason why so many people liked Fallout is cuz it has soul. It is a game created by people who whanted to change how games (RPG in this regard) were played and look upon. It made RPG original and fun thing to play again. And yeah without Fallout - no Planescape. And that is a fact.

And to be said I played Fallout 1&2 2 years ago. So I am a new fan who was drawn by the magic that it is the Fallout universe.

Plus nobody (not me anyway) said Fallout 3 was bad. I liked it. It fucked up the leveling system(seriously only 20 levels...you need to play only half the game to hit the limit) and the story(The G.E.C.K. was already used once, try something new). Mass Effect too. And I am after all part of the "PC Master Race".

 

[Kellerb]

Fallout 1&2 are RPGs, not shooters in which you occasionaly have to scroll trough text like Fallout 3 or Mass Effect. If you don't like them, you don't like RPGs.

no. just no.

 

[Spudgun Man]

Should I say it?

May as well... BURN HIM!

Right madness over with, some advice.

Stick with it. A lot of people who i talk to who have played it say that they prefer 3 because its easier to understand. THis strikes me as bloody stupid as if you stick with something you get to understand it a bit more, humankind has evolved a magical power and has named it 'learning'. Maybe its time we started applying it more often in places where we don't expect it to be useful. (A bit like point and click adventure games)

 

[Khazoth]

To be honest its hard to stick with, the combat is just so terrible that I can't get into it.


I would suggest looking up Septerra Core. It uses a system like Action Points, but the difference is: Its a very good game.

 

[neuromasser]

I played Fallout 1,2 & Tactics, completed F2 three times, FT two times. I consider all of them (especially Fallout 2) masterpieces.
I loved everything (despite the flaws mentioned^) in F2, except the fact that it had to end somewhere. :/

 

[Andy_Panthro]

I've completed Fallout 1+2 several times, and they are among my favourite games. I played them when they were first released and more recently (bought them from http://www.gog.com/ ), and I really find it hard to believe they get so much criticism.

I can appreciate they look dated, but they have a wonderful style. They have slow combat, but this is intentional, its not an action game. The only real problem is the bugs in Fallout 2, but there is a great fan-made patch which sorts out almost all of those.

It is vital to realise that when games like this were released in the past, you were expected to have read the manual! Even without the manual, surely its easy enough to explore the user interface to see what all the buttons do.

 

[veloper]

But back on topic, why do I hate Fallout?


Its Diablo, Diablo that requires you to pause every few seconds during the combat. That is exactly what I hated about the combat. If you are going to go click based, go click based, if you are going to go turn based go turn based. But the action point system is so sluggish and boring that turn based would have been a preferable.

Oh dear. You have actually played the games have you?

The combat is 100% turn based. It's nothing like diablo + pause.

 

[Bobbovski]

But back on topic, why do I hate Fallout?


Its Diablo, Diablo that requires you to pause every few seconds during the combat. That is exactly what I hated about the combat. If you are going to go click based, go click based, if you are going to go turn based go turn based. But the action point system is so sluggish and boring that turn based would have been a preferable.

Oh dear. You have actually played the games have you?

The combat is 100% turn based. It's nothing like diablo + pause.

Almost sounds like he played Fallout Tactics instead of Fallout?

 

[veloper]

But back on topic, why do I hate Fallout?


Its Diablo, Diablo that requires you to pause every few seconds during the combat. That is exactly what I hated about the combat. If you are going to go click based, go click based, if you are going to go turn based go turn based. But the action point system is so sluggish and boring that turn based would have been a preferable.

Oh dear. You have actually played the games have you?

The combat is 100% turn based. It's nothing like diablo + pause.

Almost sounds like he played Fallout Tactics instead of Fallout?

Possibly. Or maybe somebody could tell us what FO Brotherhood of steel played like, maybe he played that one.

 

[Pink Gregory]

Brotherhood of Steel Was pretty awful, I only got it to quell my ravaging lust for Fallout 3...
It was sort of a hack n' slasher type thing, played from a top down perspective, not really much of an rpg but I didn't play much into it.

 

[SmilingKitsune]

I love them soooo much, shame Vista doesn't seem to love them at all and refuses to play either one without screwing the colours up and freezing all the time.
Still, they're great games, can be very hard if you don't play safe, but you learn with time.
That said I do prefer Fallout 3, I just found it more immersive, which is one of the main things I look for in a game.

 

[high_castle]

I think the people nowadays who get the most enjoyment out of Fallout and Fallout 2 are the people who played and enjoyed them when they first came out (like myself). It's nostalgic. If I were to play the games again, it would be reliving a chunk of my past and replaying a game that was really cutting edge for its time. But if you don't have the connection to those games, it can seem outdated and trite.

That being said, since you are making the effort to play them, try to judge them by their time period. Lack of autosave was kind of a staple of the time. And the games took a big step forward with a lack of any obvious direction. Without the original Fallout, you would not have Morrowind. It also helped set the stage for future open world games.

Who knows what gaming's going to look like in the next 12 years? The newest generation of gamers may be criticizing one of your favorite games in comparison to the new batch. I personally think Fallout is a classic, it shows its age in the limitations of PCs at the time, but ultimately had a huge influence on gaming today and still has good replay value.

For the record, I'm also not a turn-based combat fan, but thought Fallout managed to do it well. Plus, the story and setting were enough to keep me hooked. Contrast this with Fallout 3, which I played despite not being a FPS fan. I found the game too repetitive and bland, and the good bits I liked from the original Fallout games were missing. So in my opinion, the first two were superior to the third.

 

[Sparrow]

Your comparing it too much to Fallout 3. Don't get me wrong, I'd mount that game and make tiny Fallout 3 babies if I could, but it's not a reason to dislike Fallout 1 and 2.

It's a weak argument, but at the time of their release they were BIG games. Innotave, good voice acting, good storyline... I could go on. Point being, it's a classic. Imagine what that game would be like 10 or so years into the future.

Or in other words, BUY THE FALLOUT THAT BLACK ISLE IS CURRENTLY MAKING WHEN IT'S RELEASED.

 

[PersianLlama]

Fallout 1&2 are RPGs, not shooters in which you occasionaly have to scroll trough text like Fallout 3 or Mass Effect. If you don't like them, you don't like RPGs.

Now there might be a strong case to imply I hate Turn Based RPGs. Since Septerra Core was the only Turn Based RPG I liked. But to say that I hate JRPGS.. I've always liked RPGS, infact the first two fallouts reminded me of Planescape: Torment, if the developers wore blindfolds throughout the development process, while being beaten with tire irons..

Planescape: Torment was an example of a GOOD rpg.


Also? Fallout 3 IS an RPG, I love how being a shooter automatically makes the game a chimps adventure in button smashing. Was Oblivion not an RPG because it was first person? Thief was in first person too, does that make it not a stealth game?

Also, save your own damn game. It's not very hard.

That might work, if the game didn't punish you for exploration or accidental clicking the wrong conversation path.

Fallout 3 was crap compared to the first 2.

Like Kukul said, you don't like 1 and 2, you don't like RPGs.

 

[Mr.Caine]

So this thread is really Fallout 1&2 vs 3?

 

[Halfbreed13]

I truly loved both, and I still play both. The only thing that peeves me is the time limit so my sand box time is limited T.T

 

[Woem]

You can't compare Final Fantasy to Fallout. In this regard Final Fantasy is more of an adventure game (much like Zelda for instance) while Fallout is a full-bread crpg. The fact that you mention something like auto-save says that you're thinking of this game as way too much lineair. An auto-save function in a dynamic and free game as Fallout would be of no value. And you can't just go barging through the game and expect not to die.

 

[Rylian]

Here's the thing, yes, Fallout 3 is an RPG. Well, it's actually a hybrid RPG/FPS in the mold of Deus Ex, but that's splitting hairs at this point.

Fallout and Fallout 2 are oldschool RPG. The joy is in the story and its telling, not the mechanics. And boy are the stories good.

 

[The_Prophet]

So, I gave them another chance, and dear lord how does anyone find this enjoyable? I hate Final Fantasy but even Final Fantasies combat system is better then these games. The quests were all confusing, the controls were confusing, there is no autosave, and there are far too many ways to screw up just by accidental clicking or harmless exploration.


What do you think of the games?

I hate hate HATE them.