Fallout 3 world

[JEBWrench]

excellent point, though i think that the fallout universe focus much of the humor on the massive propoganda let in america

Yes, it does. That and SCIENCE! Hence why Fallout 2 was hated by the fanbase at the time.

(Story time, children. Once upon a time a different set of writers took on the reins of the Fallout series. They put their own spin on it, and created a game that was critically acclaimed. The fanbase RAGED!)

Which game am I talking about?

 

[Meggiepants]

I've found that if I try to delve too deeply into any video game plot I'm likely to understand it less. These things are written by so many people, there are bound to be more than a few inconsistencies even in the games that are considered "canon" - a term which I personally find a little odd to use in reference to a video game whose rights have been bought and sold within 10 years of its creation.

It's best just to enjoy the games as they stand and try not to read into them as if the writers have any idea of continuity. At least, that's how I feel.

 

[Mechsoap]

excellent point, though i think that the fallout universe focus much of the humor on the massive propoganda let in america

Yes, it does. That and SCIENCE! Hence why Fallout 2 was hated by the fanbase at the time.

(Story time, children. Once upon a time a different set of writers took on the reins of the Fallout series. They put their own spin on it, and created a game that was critically acclaimed. The fanbase RAGED!)

Which game am I talking about?

fallout 3 made off bethesda studios instead of black isle studios

 

[JEBWrench]

fallout 3 made off bethesda studios instead of black isle studios

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 had largely different staffs.

 

[Vault Citizen]

fallout 3 is not canon and its best to pretend it doesn't exist.

Says who? From my understanding, and by all records I have found, Fallout 3 IS canon. That "Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel" game, and it's sequel, are the only confirmed non-canon games I have found proof of.

I imagine its a case of hardcore fans of a franchise or series ignoring what they don't like about a sequel, from what I gather it happens a lot.

 

[AMMO Kid]

It only takes the radiation of ten nukes to destroy the whole world, so even if it started in America, it would quickly spread worldwide and destroy Eastern countries.

What? The number of nuclear weapons tests that have been conducted to date exceeds that figure by two orders of magnitude.

As has been stated, and as cursory research will quickly reveal, the entire world was heavily affected by the war. Some places may have received less fallout than others, and some are making major strides towards rebuilding (the best known example being the NCR), but no power is in good enough shape to help or threaten anyone outside their immediate sphere of influence.

Okay then, let me put it this way.

US Nukes - 1,500

Enemy Nukes - 1,500+

Conclusion - 3000+ Nukes getting fired at the same time = Guess What

I thought that the US would have 1500 Nukes under the START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty), but ignored it completly and there are about 65,000 nukes between the US and USSR.

One of which has a blast radius of 9.6km, to put that in perspective the Hiroshima bomb had a blast radius of 300m....

I despair.

65,000 nukes? Holy Crap.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

(Story time, children. Once upon a time a different set of writers took on the reins of the Fallout series. They put their own spin on it, and created a game that was critically acclaimed. The fanbase RAGED!)

Which game am I talking about?

If we remove the 'critically acclaimed' part, EVERY Fallout title. Even Wastelands and GURPS fans raged at Fallout 1.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

And also: The Vaults weren't created to protect anyone. They were an experiment to see how human beings would react to various aspects of confinement.

This was part of the original plot line of Van Buren. So no, it wasn't added by Bethesda.

It was also alluded to in FO2 and FO:T.

 

[CheckD3]

From what I know, there were certain areas that were hit by bombs, important areas to the countries, such as the D.C. area. However, certain areas weren't hit as hard, either only surrounded by missiles or not even a target, Vegas an example. However, you have enough radiation leaking into the air and it will spread, exactly what happened. Plus remember that people surviving and running around are going to loot what they can and freak out, destroying things purposely or accidentally.

The rest of the world does get hit I believe, but as said I'm sure, you're not supposed to know. You're stuck in your one hole and when you emerge you look around, and see what you can see only. You travel around the fellow areas a bit, but there's a lot of areas you'd have to travel to, and the mystery surrounding it helps add to the atmosphere

 

[DigitalSushi]

It only takes the radiation of ten nukes to destroy the whole world, so even if it started in America, it would quickly spread worldwide and destroy Eastern countries.

What? The number of nuclear weapons tests that have been conducted to date exceeds that figure by two orders of magnitude.

As has been stated, and as cursory research will quickly reveal, the entire world was heavily affected by the war. Some places may have received less fallout than others, and some are making major strides towards rebuilding (the best known example being the NCR), but no power is in good enough shape to help or threaten anyone outside their immediate sphere of influence.

Okay then, let me put it this way.

US Nukes - 1,500

Enemy Nukes - 1,500+

Conclusion - 3000+ Nukes getting fired at the same time = Guess What

I thought that the US would have 1500 Nukes under the START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty), but ignored it completly and there are about 65,000 nukes between the US and USSR.

One of which has a blast radius of 9.6km, to put that in perspective the Hiroshima bomb had a blast radius of 300m....

I despair.

65,000 nukes? Holy Crap.

According to Wikipedia

From a high of 65,000 active weapons in 1985, there are now nearly 8,000 active nuclear warheads and more than 22,000 total nuclear warheads in the world in 2010. Many of the "decommissioned" weapons were simply stored or partially dismantled, not destroyed.[2] As of 2009, the total number was expected to continue to decline by 30%?50% over the next decade.[citation needed]

So there were 65,000 nukes in the 90's but now there are 22,000, but this is sourced from Wiki.

I don't trust wiki, its not a properly peer reviewed paper as such its got a ton fuck of faults, seriously the above quote was probably edited by a used car salesman in Canada, and why the hell would I trust him over an actual expert.

edit: still, some scary fucking figures.

 

[DigitalSushi]

excellent point, though i think that the fallout universe focus much of the humor on the massive propoganda let in america

Yes, it does. That and SCIENCE! Hence why Fallout 2 was hated by the fanbase at the time.

(Story time, children. Once upon a time a different set of writers took on the reins of the Fallout series. They put their own spin on it, and created a game that was critically acclaimed. The fanbase RAGED!)

Which game am I talking about?

Fallout 2 right?

Its better in every way to Fallout 1 but the hardcore fans feel it was too different. Then Fallout 3 came out and the Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 fans set aside there diferences and rallied together against the scourge of something that is different

 

[quake52]

i agree with all your answers but I pose one conundrum:

In Fallout 3, Allistair Tenpenny claims he came from England to make his fortune. How did he get to the US? The only way one could live long enough to have access to a working plane or a boat with enough supplies to go solo from england to the US would have been to be a pre-war ghoul.

Also what confuses me is Moriarty's accent.

After 200 years I don't think anyone will have an accent that thick.

I've also read somewhere that Bethesda's intention was to have the game take 20 years after the bombs drop. Which would make lots of things in the game make more sense.

200 year old boxed food thats still edible? Yeah, I don't buy it.

fallout 3 is not canon and its best to pretend it doesn't exist.

why cant fallout 3 be cannon im not trying to sound like an ass i just really dont understand

Those dumb as fuck super-mutants, thats why. They were just thrown in to be enemies, and never properly expanded upon....well, thats just one reason on a big list.

thats one reason i'm looking forward to New Vegas. the gameplay video shows the player character engaging in dialog with a super mutant, so they are clearly going to have some role in the plot.

 

[quake52]

excellent point, though i think that the fallout universe focus much of the humor on the massive propoganda let in america

Yes, it does. That and SCIENCE! Hence why Fallout 2 was hated by the fanbase at the time.

(Story time, children. Once upon a time a different set of writers took on the reins of the Fallout series. They put their own spin on it, and created a game that was critically acclaimed. The fanbase RAGED!)

Which game am I talking about?

...I don't know....

 

[Dilapsor]

You know, it's kinda funny following this and the zillions of threads at Bethesda and NMA. It's funny because it reminds me of a story my father told me. I was agonizing over the amount of remakes that were being cranked out in Hollywood and he basically told me to quit my bitching. "Why?" I asked. "How can they think they can get away with remakes of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Friday the 13th AND Nightmare on Elm Street?"

"Well," he replied, "Do you think that Christopher Lee was a pretty good Dracula?"
"Of course..." said I.
"What about Gary Oldman?"
"Are you kidding? He was the only good actor in the entire movie!"
"Well, how do you think I felt when I was your age and suddenly someone other than Bela Lugosi was playing The Count? To THIS DAY you can't say the name 'Dracula' and not think of Lugosi."
"But dad," said I, "That's different."
"How? When films are remade, books are spun into movies, and sequels are made, all that is telling you is that the public has deemed something to survive across the generations. The good survives, even if not in a good incarnation. Freddy and Jason is to you what Frankenstein and Dracula were to me. You really have two options... let them live on through reimaginings or let them be completely forgotten."

tl;dr

Sequels never please everyone, but by default they bring a franchise one step closer to immortality.

 

[quake52]

You know, it's kinda funny following this and the zillions of threads at Bethesda and NMA. It's funny because it reminds me of a story my father told me. I was agonizing over the amount of remakes that were being cranked out in Hollywood and he basically told me to quit my bitching. "Why?" I asked. "How can they think they can get away with remakes of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Friday the 13th AND Nightmare on Elm Street?"

"Well," he replied, "Do you think that Christopher Lee was a pretty good Dracula?"
"Of course..." said I.
"What about Gary Oldman?"
"Are you kidding? He was the only good actor in the entire movie!"
"Well, how do you think I felt when I was your age and suddenly someone other than Bela Lugosi was playing The Count? To THIS DAY you can't say the name 'Dracula' and not think of Lugosi."
"But dad," said I, "That's different."
"How? When films are remade, books are spun into movies, and sequels are made, all that is telling you is that the public has deemed something to survive across the generations. The good survives, even if not in a good incarnation. Freddy and Jason is to you what Frankenstein and Dracula were to me. You really have two options... let them live on through reimaginings or let them be completely forgotten."

tl;dr

Sequels never please everyone, but by default they bring a franchise one step closer to immortality.

Your dad freakin rules

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

Doesn't get involved in great wars?! WE DONATED 50 000 TROOPS TO THE US DURING WWII! Not to mention the Anzacs!

you mean you donated 50000 to the british empire, not the US at all

 

[LavaLampBamboo]

I like to think that the rest of the world are just having a drink watching America on their satellite cameras...

But seriously, I think the rest of the world is in a similar state to America. Quite broken up, fairly anarchic, and radioactive.

 

[nick n stuff]

one nuke would lead to another nuke which would leave to another and the world would be Donald ducked

 

[Mark Bustamante]

To start with...FO3 is indeed canon. Then there are the Super Mutants. The Strain of mutants in the capital wasteland were from a different branch of the original Vaultec experiment. Simple and easy to understand/fit in with existing lore. The have lower intelligence because they have had longer to be damaged from the FEV, which itself has probably taken some damage over two centuries. The ancient yet still edible food is a spoof of 1950's futurism. At that time there were many claims that products were "ageless" and "would stand the test of time". The newly emerging atomic age spawned a great deal wild ideas about life after 2000.

Also some where I believe that lore mentions the exact nature of the "two hour war". In addition the politics of any nuclear exchange are well documented. Just as in WW1 and WW2 when nations entered conflict solely to satisfy treaties and alliances, any nuclear exchange by any global power would result in world wide launch. China launched and that was it, every nation capable of it released theirs as well. It would be inevitable and unavoidable "politically". It is also the reason why complete disarmament isn't ever going to happen. There is even a name for this phenomenon... Mutually Assured Destruction. Hence the reason there hasn't been any known, intentional use of nuclear arms vs human targets since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[tehweave]

I don't think the player is supposed to know, to ensure a feeling of helplessness, but with a slight glimmer of hope.

This. It's sort of like how the people in Heroes got their powers, or how Jacob in Lost got his powers.

Asking whether or not the entire world is like this would take a lot longer to tell in the Fallout 3 universe. We've seen various parts of DC in FO3 (if you also count Alaska, some pipe area, a swamp, and space), and we also get to see Las Vegas (and definitely some NEW DLC as well) in the new game.

It's meant to show just how fucked humans will get if nukes ever actually blew up the world. We'd be sent into another 'dark ages' only this time it wouldn't be because of a religion, it would be because of hundreds of massive weapons.