Fallout 4's Script Is Bigger Than Skyrim And Fallout 3 Combined
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Apples and Oranges, Fallout has always been about somewhat blank slate characters that the player projects themselves onto, the same with The Elder Scrolls. The Witcher on the other hand has Geralt set up as a character through the book series even before the games begin.FloodOne said:
Feh, sounds pretty cool I guess, but as several have pointed out doesn't mean alot, I did enjoy fallout 3 and skyrim's voice acting though...I'm still not 100% sold on the whole "voiced protagonist" thing but we will see
I always saw the games as a collection of short stories. It's more about the world then the characters, which is fine by me. I find it funny that people wouldn't stop complaining about how linear and story driven The Last of Us was. Now people are mad that the world is large and lacks a well written, central plot. We just can't be happy, it seems.IceForce said:Oh absolutely. I will fully admit that Beth games cannot compare to the likes of Mass Effect or other games by Bioware and others.Smilomaniac said:What satisfies you, might not satisfy others. I don't blame you for liking their games, if you did; just don't be surprised if others didn't
However, I do find it difficult being too harsh on Bethesda, though. They could very easily turn into another Activision/Ubisoft and churn out TES and FO games 6 or 12 monthly, and completely ruin both series.
The fact that they actually do put quite a bit of effort into their games, is something I'm always grateful for.
The only part that irks me is the voiced protagonist, but I'm willing to be cautiously optimistic.
Both fallout 3 and NV where not about the story (main story) but more about the journey. I enjoyed both stories as far as they where concerned but both could be finished very fast if you focused only on the story. Meanwhile, if you wandered the wastelands, did side quests and just enjoyed the games, you could spend hundreds of hours on each of them.
I did not feel that way with Skyrim though. I have still never even finished it, and I have tried 3 times already (I always end up getting distracted by another game...and then I restart from scratch the next time I play).
Fallout 3 and NV though both have held my interest through completion at least twice each (3-4 times for fallout 3, only twice for NV). I have high hopes for fallout 4 as well, and if it's bigger, that is great (but only if you have more actual character progression to go along with the extra content...I always get bored once I max my character out).
Honestly I don't need a game that is larger then fallout 3, NV or Skyrim. I need a game that will keep me interested like they did for 100+ hours, and still have enough left for me to do that I can play it again sometime in the future (which both F3 and NV already did). Better is great, but I just want them to hit the mark they have already hit in the past.
The problem is the general dumbing down of video games in the last decade or so. I blame World of Warcraft as many games seem to have decided that imitating that game is the best way to sell a ton of games, even if they are in a whole different genre. Character customization and leveling is often drastically simplified and I'm afraid they will do something similar (in fact, I think I heard rumors about taking alot of the rpg aspects out of the combat....making it more based on aim, and less on stats etc).
That is what I am really afraid of. Story is great, and I would like a good story, good main and side quests etc, but honestly it's the actual combat, and character leveling/customization as you play that keeps me interested. Take that away and I'll be bored in hours, while I could have replayed the same 4 hours worth of actually story 25 times as long as I was actually getting to progress and improve my character along the way.
Once you kill any way for the player to improve themselves, you kill most of their motivation to play. For many of us, if you force us to level up a specific way, with no variation or control, then that has a similar effect.
It's just a bit over 2 months to go till release. This is the first game I have really been waiting for with high hopes since D3 (which dissapointed me greatly). I'm getting up there in years, I have 450 or so games backlogged just in my steam library (not to mention hundreds for game systems I have not had time to play) and I can't find myself that motivated to get new games anymore because I just have so many, of all types, that I have not had a chance to play yet. I joke that I could lock myself in a room with food and water for the rest of my life and never finish the games I already have. If fallout 4 is a dissapointment, I may stop even paying attention to the new games that come out in the future, at least till I play through the many, many RPGs (my favorite type of game) that I have, but have not played yet.
I did not feel that way with Skyrim though. I have still never even finished it, and I have tried 3 times already (I always end up getting distracted by another game...and then I restart from scratch the next time I play).
Fallout 3 and NV though both have held my interest through completion at least twice each (3-4 times for fallout 3, only twice for NV). I have high hopes for fallout 4 as well, and if it's bigger, that is great (but only if you have more actual character progression to go along with the extra content...I always get bored once I max my character out).
Honestly I don't need a game that is larger then fallout 3, NV or Skyrim. I need a game that will keep me interested like they did for 100+ hours, and still have enough left for me to do that I can play it again sometime in the future (which both F3 and NV already did). Better is great, but I just want them to hit the mark they have already hit in the past.
The problem is the general dumbing down of video games in the last decade or so. I blame World of Warcraft as many games seem to have decided that imitating that game is the best way to sell a ton of games, even if they are in a whole different genre. Character customization and leveling is often drastically simplified and I'm afraid they will do something similar (in fact, I think I heard rumors about taking alot of the rpg aspects out of the combat....making it more based on aim, and less on stats etc).
That is what I am really afraid of. Story is great, and I would like a good story, good main and side quests etc, but honestly it's the actual combat, and character leveling/customization as you play that keeps me interested. Take that away and I'll be bored in hours, while I could have replayed the same 4 hours worth of actually story 25 times as long as I was actually getting to progress and improve my character along the way.
Once you kill any way for the player to improve themselves, you kill most of their motivation to play. For many of us, if you force us to level up a specific way, with no variation or control, then that has a similar effect.
It's just a bit over 2 months to go till release. This is the first game I have really been waiting for with high hopes since D3 (which dissapointed me greatly). I'm getting up there in years, I have 450 or so games backlogged just in my steam library (not to mention hundreds for game systems I have not had time to play) and I can't find myself that motivated to get new games anymore because I just have so many, of all types, that I have not had a chance to play yet. I joke that I could lock myself in a room with food and water for the rest of my life and never finish the games I already have. If fallout 4 is a dissapointment, I may stop even paying attention to the new games that come out in the future, at least till I play through the many, many RPGs (my favorite type of game) that I have, but have not played yet.
As long as it maintains the same quality of overall writing that they've managed to perform then I'll be happy with it. I don't think bigger is necessarily better but it'll be nice to explore. The fallout series always seems to have the best writing. Morrowind and Oblivion also had some really good stuff. So I'm excited to see what they do with this one. I'm hoping it isn't going to be bland due to the volume.
Oh, so a large chunk of the budget went to recording 'Fuckface' then did it?
I've been finding Bethesda's track record as of late to be lackluster in just about every way. But the game will sell hotpockets, the hype for this thing is ridiculous and most people who play these games hold out for mods.
They could have 5 lines of dialogue and the game would sell. It's a Bethesda Modbox!
I've been finding Bethesda's track record as of late to be lackluster in just about every way. But the game will sell hotpockets, the hype for this thing is ridiculous and most people who play these games hold out for mods.
They could have 5 lines of dialogue and the game would sell. It's a Bethesda Modbox!
Nice try Todd, but you won't bamboozle me with your lying lies.
TORtanic also had eons worth of recorded dialogue, didn't stop that game from being a massive unwanted turd.
TORtanic also had eons worth of recorded dialogue, didn't stop that game from being a massive unwanted turd.
I know right? Just look at the Twilight books! OOoooh Burn! *drops mic*Clive Howlitzer said:
Sorry couldn't resist the low hanging fruit. But yeah, bigger script doesn't mean good script. I personally didn't have any big issues with the writing in FO 3 or Skyrim, so I don't really have an issue if they are at the same level of quality. Though I didn't really enjoy those games for the scripting, but more for the open ended storytelling I could do for myself.
So much cynicism.
Just wait and see, you don't win or lose points for being right or wrong.
Hopefully it's good, if not, it'll probably at least by average or serviceable.
Just wait and see, you don't win or lose points for being right or wrong.
Hopefully it's good, if not, it'll probably at least by average or serviceable.
Oh bigger than Skyrim's? Oohh, how great, can't wait to here the same 3 voice actors drone on and stare blankly at me, really captures the mood. Fucking bullshit, "bigger"? Do you think I'm 13 Bethesda? I want better, I want refinement, I'd take a 10 hour game that gripped me like no other over 200 hours of mediocrity any day.
Also:
When can I play as a ghoul? Or a Super-Mutant? Why would you acquire a franchise then do nothing with it (except throw in cute references so the fans will like it)?
Also:
When can I play as a ghoul? Or a Super-Mutant? Why would you acquire a franchise then do nothing with it (except throw in cute references so the fans will like it)?
I'm going to be another cynic and say that it's quality, not quantity, that matters.
I mean, 111,000 voiced lines sounds impressive, but if it's 111,000 voiced lines of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ATh4y4XRjA
whatever this is, I'm not sure how excited to be.
Regardless, I was more impressed with the dialogue and scripting of the E3 Fallout 4 video, and it was a lot better than Skyrim, so I won't be completely pessimistic, but I'll keep my expectations tempered.
I mean, 111,000 voiced lines sounds impressive, but if it's 111,000 voiced lines of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ATh4y4XRjA
whatever this is, I'm not sure how excited to be.
Regardless, I was more impressed with the dialogue and scripting of the E3 Fallout 4 video, and it was a lot better than Skyrim, so I won't be completely pessimistic, but I'll keep my expectations tempered.
Do you remember how Fallout 3 had "over 200 endings?"
Do you remember how Skyrim had "infinite quests" and "totally isn't gamebryo?"
Do you remember how Skyrim has "over 70 voice actors?"
Do you remember how Oblivion had "radiant AI" that was made NPCs act "unscripted and living in real time 24 hours a day?"
Do you remember when "Creation Kit" was going to "release in January?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbx6-KQoRg
Todd Howard is the king of lies.
Do you remember how Skyrim had "infinite quests" and "totally isn't gamebryo?"
Do you remember how Skyrim has "over 70 voice actors?"
Do you remember how Oblivion had "radiant AI" that was made NPCs act "unscripted and living in real time 24 hours a day?"
Do you remember when "Creation Kit" was going to "release in January?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbx6-KQoRg
Todd Howard is the king of lies.
Considering that guy's range that might be an improvement over what we've gotten in the past.Xsjadoblayde said:
I can't recall the number of times I came across an Imperial patrol and 2-3 of the soldiers in just the one patrol were obviously voiced by Gideon Emery.
OT: Like others have said, quantity does not equal quality. I am excited for the premise of the game but between the Bethesda's recent lacklustre writing, quest variety, horrible variety of voice actors (or voice actors with little range), and how absolutely broken their games tend to be (I blame Gamebryo and any variation thereof) I'm going to wait quite a while before I consider making any sort of purchase.