Fallout: NV.... Something very wrong.

[Delusibeta]

/force post.

 

[Moridinice]

my ps3 copy of Fallout 3 has locked up on me 3 times. and i can only name 3 bugs on the top of my head. one of them quest braking.

My Fallout New Vegas is the worst WORST ps3 game i have ever had in my computer. the crashed and lockups are in a word. unacceptable. and honest if Obsidian does not fix them soon i Will blacklist them for all eternity

oh and btw im hardcore fallout fan. but even i cannot endorse this S**t

 

[ChupathingyX]

New Vegas is like Fallout 3, except MORE of it. If you liked Fallout 3, you will like New Vegas just as much.

And for the record: Fallout would not be Fallout with all the stupid bugs and glitches and whatnot.
I still don't like how Nuka Cola and Sunset Sarsaparilla apparently DEHYDRATE you for some reason or another.
Am I not supposed to be REFRESHED when I drink soda or other soft drinks?
Honestly now.

Actually soda is not very good at refreashing you, although it does not necessarily dehydrate you, it can depending on circumstances. Being in the desertand drinking soda is a very bad idea. Although Alcohol does dehydrate you.

 

[Jazoni89]

my ps3 copy of Fallout 3 has locked up on me 3 times. and i can only name 3 bugs on the top of my head. one of them quest braking.

My Fallout New Vegas is the worst WORST ps3 game i have ever had in my computer. the crashed and lockups are in a word. unacceptable. and honest if Obsidian does not fix them soon i Will blacklist them for all eternity

oh and btw im hardcore fallout fan. but even i cannot endorse this S**t

A ps3 is not a computer.

If you are a "hardcore fan" as you say you are, you would looks pass the flaws of this game such as the bugs and glitches and have fun with it.

Obvious troll is Obvious.

(Damn Their's more trolls in this topic than the whole of middle earth.)

 

[deckai]

New Vegas though is a great example of rail roading in a sandbox. You have to progress from each town in a strict order, trying to sneak past means you encounter Deathclaw packs that are near immortal or other crazy stuff to kill you and herd you back.

Yes you can figure a way out past those things... but it breaks the game. Since you dont hit the proper main quest triggers in each town in the correct order, it can lead to the game skipping whole sections. Its terrible programming and design flaws, which is made worse because this isnt a new game. They copy and pasted the design system and graphics from fallout 3, it should be perfect not dying.

No, just no. I'm on my 3th playtrough and every single time I used a different approach/order. There IS a questline you are supposed to follow but if you decide to skip them you done it because you chose to skip them. NEVER, i repeat NEVER does skipping quest break the game. They used the same engine.. and improved it a bit. That's anything but copy&paste.

Many many examples of how you can break it, Yahtzee's video is a classic example of how he essentially cheated to get into New Vegas and got 0 Karma change for stealing all that money because its assumed he will pay it back. The game is full of such loop holes but they all come with a price of breaking the intended path the designers choose and expoliting flawed game mechanics.

There is always a way to break every game, if you really want it.

Its funny actually that people bring up the cannibal quest, while you can stop the cannibals... you cant report it to their leader who is against cannibalism. Only your current boss. A stupid oversight and an immersion breaking one.

Oh no, they gave me a ton of choices but the whole quest is stupid because I wanted even more choices...That's how it sounds to me...

I keep seeing people saying this game shouldnt be over critqued and its just for fun, like thats some sacred defense. It isnt, and it is not a valid one when it comes to RPG's. RPGs need to pull you in with a good story and great immersion to draw you in a world thats believable and realistic within its rules. While humour is nice to break the tension, it cant ever destroy the realism or its counter productive and makes the game a poor action adventure instead.

Don't know who you mean, I didn't saw anyone saying this, but I just scanned trought this thread. All your complains relate to every single open world rpg.

Pure fun games like Overlord and Saints Row 1&2 are examples of games to mess around on and that dont encourage the player to take them seriously.

Oblivion and Fallout 3 both suffered from immersion breaking bugs and poor quest triggers. With New Vegas it isnt even excusable anymore, their just copy and pasting the same system into the games and making no effort to improve it. What worked in oblivions day barely worked in Fallout 3 and is laughable now with New Vegas. Its shoddy, lazy work to save money.

Again, they used the same engine, they needed to write new scripts and most of the bugs are related to this scripts. The only thing they copy&past-ed were some skins and models but even they were polished.

This "expansion" pack is by any means a full price product. You get a full price experience out of it. Story wise AND playtime wise.

I had no major gamebreaking bugs, the only one I could remember was steam related, but even then, after a few minutes of searching I was able to work around this bug.

To bad, you had experienced something else, but non of your points could change my mind about NV, it's better than FO 3 (and 90% of all the rpgs, in the past few years) in every single point. (ok, I give you that, the background was a bit more flashed out in 1,2&3, but the result was, every single PC had the same background...in New Vegas you create your own story from the very beginning) And never was stated that you were from this region, you worked for the Mojave express, there was never said how big the operation area is, and where you are from.

 

[Moridinice]

my ps3 copy of Fallout 3 has locked up on me 3 times. and i can only name 3 bugs on the top of my head. one of them quest braking.

My Fallout New Vegas is the worst WORST ps3 game i have ever had in my computer. the crashed and lockups are in a word. unacceptable. and honest if Obsidian does not fix them soon i Will blacklist them for all eternity

oh and btw im hardcore fallout fan. but even i cannot endorse this S**t

A ps3 is not a computer.

If you are a "hardcore fan" as you say you are, you would looks pass the flaws of this game such as the bugs and glitches and have fun with it.

Obvious troll is Obvious.

(Damn Their's more trolls in this topic than the whole of middle earth.)

you are missing the point. Ps3 and xbox are "meant" to be perfect. there are no driver issues, compatibility stones and ect. games are not meant to crash on them. and you try to enjoy having 2 hours erased from your life due to some QA persons not doing there job in the first place

 

[Daverson]

I actually like it because it is more of the same, to be honest. It's pretty much to Fallout 3 what Fallout 2 was to the Original.

I much prefer it to Fallout 3. Particularly the weapons. I mean, you get two shotguns in fallout 3, there's 6 in New Vegas. The unique weapons are also actually unique, rather than just the same as the normal guns but doing slightly more damage. (the only really unique weapon in Fallout 3 was the lever action rifle...)

They brought out the half finished Fallout 3 from the creators, finished it and then claimed credit.

Were did you hear this? Van Buren (Black Isle's Fallout 3) has little to no resemblance to Bethesda's Fallout 3.

Here's a picture that proves this:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:F3spawn.png

 

[Rarhnor]

But that's the point, Fallout 3 didn't have a faction system or reputation system, something that worked very well in previous games. How does not having a faction system justify Fallout 3's lack of consequences?

Paradise Falls - Seems black and white to me, either capture slaves, or free them.
Big Trouble in Big Town - The rewards are all the same and the consequences don't change much.
Oasis - Why did they have to kill off Harold? Plus none of the choices have an effect except killing him.
Blood Ties - Black and white, save Ian or kill all the Family. Although yes Blood Ties was one of the very few quests that allowed multiple ways to achieve the goal at hand.

OK, that's your opinion, but Dragon Age is a fantasy, fantasies always involve things like Dark lordsa and magical powers. Fallout is supposed to present a massive scenario and what might happen afterwards, and you play a part in the reconstruction of humanity with Hoover Dam and the fate of New Vegas and the Mojave region. Also I'm not sure if you're aware but the NCR is pretty big and have quite an influence on the fate of America and mankind in general.

They can blame it for not having that system, yes, but you can't blame FO3's quests for being inconsequential, when it didn't have that system in the first place.

I was not justifying the consequences, so don't go out of your way to remind me, that there are little to no consequences in my examples, because that's not the point.

any of the quests can be tied to Paradise Falls. You can enslave the little orphan from those, as well as ratting out little lamplight. "Strictly Profitable" can be tied in with many quests (adding at least minor consequences).

While, the setup and rescue had only one approach, the aftermath was still solely based on your own character's skills, thus the depth in the completion of the quest. I'd like to add however, that with the Broken Steel add-on, the consequences following Big Town, depended slightly on what you chose to do. It's DLC so I won't count it in as an arguement.

Oasis is still counting in that matter, and you CAN actually complete the quest without killing him.


Regarding your last statement. My problem with FO3 and NV is, that they try to play with your emotions, build a revenge plot, and forcibly make your care about stuff, but it fails to deliver. While I've seen people complain about the Fallout series being melodramatic, I'm quite the opposite. Numerous times I've been going: "Am I supposed to care about this or..?". Not that I don't try to care, but compared even to Gears of War, FO3 and NV has been a emotionally cold experience.
THAT was my problem. There's nothing wrong with the scenario. I'll take a post-apocalyptic RPG over any fantasy RPG.

 

[PunkRex]

HAR!!! Listen to the foolishness of the raving bourgeoisie and all of his pitiful ramblings (not conserning Fallout, those are valid). I speak, of course, of this delusion of grandeur of the PC "master" race. Your empire crumbles before the power of the concole proletariat and there is nothing you can do to stop us, HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!

Nope, we're just going to watch as the console manufacturers implement motion controls in all consoles ever and watch as they drive out the "hardcore" fanbase in favour of Crappy Party 35.

You're welcome.

On topic: While I haven't played much of New Vegas (certainly not enough to give a certain opinion), the general consensus seems to be that the OP is talking rubbish.

I can only hope my console brethren see past this and continue the fight as usual, hopefully this motion control next step ideology will lead to a whole lot of money for the companys and maybe one or two good games for us, after all, the Wii has lead to some really marvelous games such as Zack & Wiki, No More Heros and has a bright future with Pikmin 3, etc.

I also hear that Xbox has hired Justin Beiber to do a Kinect comercial for them... curses...

 

[Valiance]

I threw up my keyboard and removed all expectations I had for Fallout online.

While I can't speak about your experience with FO:NV, and nor should I say whether I believe your FO:O expectations should be low or not, let me just point out that it's different people making FO:O and FO:NV.

 

[supermariner]

your opinion is very interesting mr. defiante1
however it's meaningless
and in the minority

you're very officious in your OP
and never mention anything about opinions
you're too pretentious for my respect sir

 

[Fat Hippo]

The point here is that it can be done. The game doesn't "stonewall" you no matter what guys like Yahtzee imply. It's simply a much, much harder path. Like most RPGs differant kinds of characters have to do differant things. A very specialized character, a very patient player (who is willing to play the RNG and save/reload for the combat) or someone who is experienced and knows the area from multiple playthroughs, can all head off in that direction successfully.

And besides, everybody in Goodsprings keeps telling you, "Don't go north if you want to live, there are many mutants there, they will kill you etc. Take the road south!" So if you want to be a stupid twit, that's entirely your choice. Just don't complain if the game punishes you for it! That's Fallout.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

I disagree, I think the game is very interesting and compelling. As for the copy paste thing, it is true that many models were ported, but having taken a look at the New Vegas GECK, I have to say that it is superior to FO3 as far as modding capabilities go.

 

[Turing]

Despite its many failings, which it does indeed have, I feel that New Vegas is far better than Fallout 3.
Honestly, the difference might be that New Vegas feels as if they at least tried, and its also quite obvious that the New Vegas developers both know and love the Fallout setting, unlike Fallout 3 which more seemed like a very bland rip-off to me.

That being said, none of the two even come close to topping Fallout 2, of course.
That game simply has the right amount of awesomeness, free-roam, humour and possibilities. Combine that with rose-tinted glasses nostalgia and its impossible to beat

 

[bam13302]

Honestly, some more DLC is all i wanted for FO3, and thats what this is, 50$ dlc
bugs do piss me off though, but i knida like that the game walks you around the map before pushing you into vegas, and there are a ****load of story-optional quests and give you a reason to wander 90% of the map for reasons besides wanderlust
there are really only 2 places i didnt wander too much in, the area east of primm, and 3 places east of the colorado (partly because of the 'corpse by a corpse, surrounded by deathclaws' as described by the book)
Oh, and was pissed off when i finally got the armor on the front cover >.<

 

[cthulhumythos]

i don't play main quest... and i think the game is better that way (sadly).

its not a terrible game; it's a stupidly glitched good game.

 

[DustyDrB]

Copy and pasted environments? There's much more variation than Fallout 3 in that regard. Explore the northwest part of the map and then move downward, there's 3 very distinct areas. Then move east and you'll find more. Yeah, you have a big chunk of desert in the middle but that's the sort of thing you expect to find in the Mojave Desert.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I like how everyone keeps calling this expansion pack material. Never mind that this basically the ORIGINAL FO3 before black isle died. silliness. New Vegas has a shit-ton of problems but it a great game nevertheless. now back to my wolverine playthrough

 

[Ewyx]

OT: MY opinion on NW, is that it has the same problems that Fallout 3 had: It's fun (sure it is), but it's a cold fun. Not a waving experience, that makes you think or feel important like, for example, Dragon Age did.

Honestly, I'm really tired of all the 'save the world, you're the hero' crap. Sure, it seems like a good idea. But hell... It's boring, it's not personal, and most of the time, you don't even have a choice. I would LOVE to side with the darkspawn in DA:O, if not, mostly because everyone is a bit of an asshole in that game anyway. Also, by limiting you to act out as a noble hero, you cut out the interesting choices in the game. I think NV had a LOT of interesting choices you could make, I mean ok DA:O had SOME choices, like we kill this kid and you get to be a blood mage... eh I can dig it, but it's not something you really think about. I mean, I remember when I had to decide which faction I'd have to work for. I literally stopped playing for a few days because I had to think it over.

I hate how the games force you to play the hero (same with ME, but ok, that game is an interactive movie...). I want a quest that is about ME, about MY character and I will shape the world according to my own decisions, and if I want to fuck everyone up, so be it, if I want to be the savior I'll be that. Don't force me to save the world, especially if you make a world that I don't feel it's worth saving.

Greetings, my name is Acidstrider, Fallout fan since 1998, when i first played Fallout 1

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I then martched bravely on toward New Vegas, the very place this game has been hyped up about, only to be instant killed by Death claws. Hm, odd... I said to myself, not knowing why they'd put such high leveled enemies, in the path of the very place, the game is named after. But I then crouched down, and snuck by them, after only two reloads I made it to New Vegas.

Wait, so you're bitching on the exact same mechanic (blocking off areas via powerful opponents) that was present in the original games, but not in the FO3? Wut? I think you probably never played much of the originals...

Also, I'm tired of level scaling monsters. If you allow players to kill off all monsters at level 1, there is no sense of progression. I just love the feeling of entering an area, realizing I am waaaaay too weak to handle it. Go back, do other quests, find better equipment, come back to the same area and kick some serious ass. It's really satisfying to do so. However, it's against the current trends of instant gratification.



Damn, I miss Black Isle. Golden era of RPGs is gone.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

You haven't gotten to Vegas yet have you where you have to make some REALLY interesting choices. Sure they always give you the option to be a humorous dick, especially early on, but later the questions become a lot more confusing and hard to settle on...

Take the "biggest" choice in the main story, I'll lay it down for you in Spoiler Tags...

Spoiler

Do you choose...

A) The Militaristic and Expansionist but Democratic and technically Freedom Loving New California Republic?

B) The Shadowy, Manipulative leader of New Vegas who wants to rule the world as a secret financial autocrat?

C) The Sadistic and Moralizing Caesar with his cult of personality and army of forcibly conscripted slaves?

D) or do you bring it all crashing down and become the leader of it all yourself?

Fallouts 1 and 2 certainly didn't give you options like that...