Far Right Boogaloo Bois from Texas Are Who Set Fire to Police Precinct During George Floyd Protest in Minneapolis and Open Fired on Police

[ObsidianJones]

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-crime-statistics

For the third consecutive year, the estimated number of violent crimes in the nation decreased when compared with the previous year’s statistics, according to FBI figures released today. In 2019, violent crime was down 0.5% from the 2018 number. Property crimes also dropped 4.1%, marking the 17th consecutive year the collective estimates for these offenses declined.

The 2019 statistics show the estimated rate of violent crime was 366.7 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants, and the estimated rate of property crime was 2,109.9 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants. The violent crime rate fell 1.0% when compared with the 2018 rate; the property crime rate declined 4.5%.

These and additional data are presented in the 2019 edition of the FBI’s annual report Crime in the United States. This publication is a statistical compilation of offense, arrest, and police employee data reported by law enforcement agencies voluntarily participating in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program.

One in four law enforcement agencies are reporting use-of-force data to the FBI

Law enforcement agencies including police departments and sheriff’s offices began voluntarily sharing the data in 2019, with the Chicago Police Department being the largest agency participating.

usafacts.org

Law enforcement agencies representing 41% of the nation’s sworn officers provided use-of-force data to the FBI in 2019, its first year of collecting such data.

Out of 18,514 federal, state, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies in the United States, 5,043 or 27%, of the agencies provided data voluntarily to the FBI.

The data reported includes use-of-force incidents of the following types:

• Death of a person due to law enforcement use of force.
• Serious bodily injury of a person due to law enforcement use of force.
• Discharge of a firearm by law enforcement at or in the direction of a person not otherwise resulting in death or serious bodily injury.

I mean, the Hoover feds did.

Those guys sucked. But the country sucked then. The country sucks now, big time, but I'm going to look at what people are currently doing. As far as I'm aware, the FBI are not committing crimes wholesale against minorities in any where the same numbers as cops... and that's just what we can get on the fringes.

With only just a quarter of the nation's police actually saying anything, we really don't even know how bad it is.

 

[Revnak]

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-crime-statistics

One in four law enforcement agencies are reporting use-of-force data to the FBI

Law enforcement agencies including police departments and sheriff’s offices began voluntarily sharing the data in 2019, with the Chicago Police Department being the largest agency participating.

usafacts.org

Those guys sucked. But the country sucked then. The country sucks now, big time, but I'm going to look at what people are currently doing. As far as I'm aware, the FBI are not committing crimes wholesale against minorities in any where the same numbers as cops... and that's just what we can get on the fringes.

With only just a quarter of the nation's police actually saying anything, we really don't even know how bad it is.

Fair enough I suppose. FBI’s mostly careerist at this point anyway.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Police did not exist for most of human history and developed from slave hunters and racist gangs meant to keep down undesirable immigrants and socialists. But even if you want some kind of police reform instead of abolition, burning down that building did more than decades of electing “reformist” mayors, which Minneapolis has done many times. They are going to reconstitute the entire force. Do not rob the people of Minneapolis of their own accomplishments so you can misunderstand how right-wing groups work.

Well some just used soldiers. Others called them other things be they religious guards or their own groups as such.

Vigiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Revnak]

Well some just used soldiers. Others called them other things be they religious guards or their own groups as such.

Vigiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1. I was unaware Imperial Rome was the USA.
2. Their primary and initial role was as a public fire fighting force.
3. Their eventual responsibilities and functions barely resemble those of the police. They monitored for petty crimes as a preventative, not a punitive, force, aside from, y’know, fighting fires. Occasionally they were used as a force against mobs as riot control, though the Praetorians handled that when it got out of hand.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Police did not exist for most of human history.

Yeah, vigilante mob justice is just such a better system of law enforcement.

 

[Revnak]

Yeah, vigilante mob justice is just such a better system of law enforcement.

No. But it’s strange to presume that cops are the best.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

1. I was unaware Imperial Rome was the USA.
2. Their primary and initial role was as a public fire fighting force.
3. Their eventual responsibilities and functions barely resemble those of the police. They monitored for petty crimes as a preventative, not a punitive, force, aside from, y’know, fighting fires. Occasionally they were used as a force against mobs as riot control, though the Praetorians handled that when it got out of hand.

1) You didn't specify the USA which hasn't existed as a concept or a nation state as such for much of human history so..........yeh........
2) They also did operate as police as it says in the article keeping an eye out of burglaries etc.
3) So you'd prefer just the military do the policing entirely?

 

[Revnak]

1) You didn't specify the USA which hasn't existed as a concept or a nation state as such for much of human history so..........yeh........
2) They also did operate as police as it says in the article keeping an eye out of burglaries etc.
3) So you'd prefer just the military do the policing entirely?

1. I was referring to how police in America came to be, just didn’t specify
2. Which is one of their responsibilities and one of the responsibilities of police, but given their divergent method of carrying out those responsibilities and the powers they had, etc, a worthless argument
3. No, I’m just describing the actual history

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

1. I was referring to how police in America came to be, just didn’t specify
2. Which is one of their responsibilities and one of the responsibilities of police, but given their divergent method of carrying out those responsibilities and the powers they had, etc, a worthless argument
3. No, I’m just describing the actual history

1) Well even then slave patrols were pre-dated by Nightwatch groups in the USA and other such groups

Law enforcement in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2) Well the head of the Roman vigiles could also pass judgement over petty thieves caught and brought in so they might be considered more powerful.
3) fair enough.

 

[Revnak]

1) Well even then slave patrols were pre-dated by Nightwatch groups in the USA and other such groups

Law enforcement in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2) Well the head of the Roman vigiles could also pass judgement over petty thieves caught and brought in so they might be considered more powerful.
3) fair enough.

1. Which did not have the kinds of powers and responsibilities as modern police
2. Doubtful

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

1. Which did not have the kinds of powers and responsibilities as modern police
2. Doubtful

1)

An early night watch formed in Boston in 1631, and in 1634 the first U.S. constable on record was Joshua Pratt, in the Plymouth Colony.[14] Constables were tasked with surveying land, serving warrants, and enforcing punishments.[15]

A rattlewatch was formed in New Amsterdam, later to become New York City, in 1651. The New York rattlewatch "strolled the streets to discourage crime and search for lawbreakers" and also served as town criers. In 1658, they began drawing pay, making them the first municipally funded police organization. [16] When the British took New Amsterdam in 1664, they installed an English constable whose duties included keeping the peace, suppressing excessive drinking, gambling, prostitution, and preventing disturbances during church services.

2)

Also known as the Prefect of the Watch, the Prefect of the Vigiles was an eques appointed by the emperor to command the seven cohorts. It was not a particularly sought after office until the 3rd century. Prominent jurists with a legal background began serving as Prefect to fulfil the magisterial capacity of the office. As a judge, the Prefect made rulings in his court for the common thieves caught during the night. Eventually, the Prefect was given jurisdiction over daytime petty crimes as well.

 

[tstorm823]

a) Is anyone who defended the use of violence going to change their tune now?
b) Why is an anti-government, anti-police group that desires a civil war to destroy the country "right-wing" in any sense of the word?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

a) Is anyone who defended the use of violence going to change their tune now?
b) Why is an anti-government, anti-police group that desires a civil war to destroy the country "right-wing" in any sense of the word?

Libertarian apparently. Some anarcho capitalism. Other various things mentioned on Wikipedia under beliefs. Not all uniform but that's the gist.

 

[Revnak]

1)






2)

1) That’s not particularly close to how cops actually work and does not have a comparable amount of power.
2) So one of them filled a role similar to other prefects but viewed as lesser due to the relatively minimal power and respect held by the office.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

1) That’s not particularly close to how cops actually work and does not have a comparable amount of power.
2) So one of them filled a role similar to other prefects but viewed as lesser due to the relatively minimal power and respect held by the office.

1) No they could also form civilian posses to help them enforce the law too if needed. So arguably more power because they cause immediately basically call on anyone they wanted and if they refused it was literally a criminal offence with fines attached to it lol
2) Still give them more power really than modern police as they could dole out the punishments on site not have to wait for judgements etc.

 

[Revnak]

1) No they could also form civilian posses to help them enforce the law too if needed. So arguably more power because they cause immediately basically call on anyone they wanted and if they refused it was literally a criminal offence with fines attached to it lol
2) Still give them more power really than modern police as they could dole out the punishments on site not have to wait for judgements etc.

1) No because they are one, generally elected, generally to a short term, often unpaid, rarely respected official. So no, they are not comparable to cops.
2) Not even close. They had greater authority on paper maybe. They were not more powerful.
Edit: also, funny to say cops can’t dole out punishments when they regularly get away with murder.

 

[Worgen]

Well some just used soldiers. Others called them other things be they religious guards or their own groups as such.

Vigiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1. I was referring to how police in America came to be, just didn’t specify
2. Which is one of their responsibilities and one of the responsibilities of police, but given their divergent method of carrying out those responsibilities and the powers they had, etc, a worthless argument
3. No, I’m just describing the actual history

I feel like you guys need a primer on police history here in the states.

 

[Revnak]

I feel like you guys need a primer on police history here in the states.

No I do not

 

[Seanchaidh]

As to why I trust the FBI more than I trust the Police? Simple. They don't have the same track record.

Not precisely the same track record...

They assassinated Fred Hampton, though.

 

[Seanchaidh]

a) Is anyone who defended the use of violence going to change their tune now?

Whoever did it, I'm glad it burned.

b) Why is an anti-government, anti-police group that desires a civil war to destroy the country "right-wing" in any sense of the word?

Depends on what else they want. If, for example, they are looking to have a civil war so that they can cleanse all the degenerates, well, that's pretty right-wing.

There are other ways for a desire to change civil authority through violence to be right-wing. That's not the only one.