Feeling sick after not eating for 14 days

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Good to hear that you are at least not starving yourself anymore.

MarshallNX said:
But I won't go to a doctor because they'll probably scold me and put all sort of needles in me.
They might very well scold you but I'm not so sure about the needles. On most of my doctorsvisits there were no needles. In any case, doctors can give you the best advice on losing weight in a safe, effective and permanent manner. (people losing a lot of weight and putting it back on is a known issue) If you are serious about losing weight a doctor, perhaps one specialised in matters of food and weight, might be of use to you. Being scolded will be much less unpleasant than being fat for much longer than you need to be.
 

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Karathos said:
All you have to do to lose weight is burn more than you take in, this starving-yourself shit will kill you. You're supposed to burn away fat, not muscle tissue. When you starve, the body cannibalizes your muscles to survive. A lot of people in here are convinced this is a prank, but we're talking about a world where people kill themselves when taking a selfie with a gun to their head and forgetting to check if it's loaded.

Darwin is rolling over in his goddamn grave son. Stop it.
It's mostly fatty tissue that is metabolised during fasting. He will lose muscle, but mostly fat.
 

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GO SEE A DOCTOR!

God only knows how your body will react to eating whatever-how after going so long without food. A doctor will not only know how to make sure you do not kill yourself getting some calories but refer you to specialist who actually knows how to help you loose weight without risking your life. This is not up for debate.

Even if you manage to slowly increase your caloric intake without any immediate issues you are still going to be lacking in many essential vitamins and minerals that will need to be replenished and I would not trust anyone other than a doctor to figure out which ones and how to get them back into your body.
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
All you have to do to lose weight is burn more than you take in, this starving-yourself shit will kill you. You're supposed to burn away fat, not muscle tissue. When you starve, the body cannibalizes your muscles to survive. A lot of people in here are convinced this is a prank, but we're talking about a world where people kill themselves when taking a selfie with a gun to their head and forgetting to check if it's loaded.

Darwin is rolling over in his goddamn grave son. Stop it.
It's mostly fatty tissue that is metabolised during fasting. He will lose muscle, but mostly fat.
14 days isn't fasting, it's starving.
 

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Karathos said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
All you have to do to lose weight is burn more than you take in, this starving-yourself shit will kill you. You're supposed to burn away fat, not muscle tissue. When you starve, the body cannibalizes your muscles to survive. A lot of people in here are convinced this is a prank, but we're talking about a world where people kill themselves when taking a selfie with a gun to their head and forgetting to check if it's loaded.

Darwin is rolling over in his goddamn grave son. Stop it.
It's mostly fatty tissue that is metabolised during fasting. He will lose muscle, but mostly fat.
14 days isn't fasting, it's starving.
Not true, starving would be when he has no fatty tissue left to metabolise. At 150 kgs there is a lot of energy in the body to live on that he will be using for food.
 

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MarshallNX said:
I am feeling dizzy and I have blurry vision after not eating for 14 days. I want to lose weight so I decided to do a water fast for 30 days.
Can you recommend some pill to take to make me feel a little better? I d'ont want to eat until I reach my goal. I've seen people on youtube that did 30 days easily.

PS: I'm a male
This is extremely dangerous to your health and Fasting can actually be life threatening. When you put your body into starvation mode, your metabolism slows down actually making weight loss slower and will cause you to gain weight FASTER when you start eating again. You are also burning muscle and need fat to burn fat. Due to how long you have already fasted, you need to see a physician immediately and be properly examined to ensure you have not done any severe organ damage. They can also help you ease slowly back into eating to reduce further injury. This is extremely harmful and please do not continue to do this. There are far healthier and longer lasting methods to weight loss.

The body needs three macronutrients for energy: Carbohydrates, protein, and fat. A gram of fat packs more than twice the energy of a gram of the other two. ?When you don?t have any fat in your diet its like you don?t have fuel to burn calories,? Glassman says. The body requires energy to keep its metabolism properly functioning, and a 2007 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that consuming fatty acids can boost metabolic health.
http://www.lifehack.org/379951/little-known-health-dangers-water-fasting
http://www.webmd.com/diet/fasting
https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Dietary-Fats
http://www.livestrong.com/article/557726-eat-fat-to-burn-fat/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/lose-weight-fast-how-to-do-it-safely
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
All you have to do to lose weight is burn more than you take in, this starving-yourself shit will kill you. You're supposed to burn away fat, not muscle tissue. When you starve, the body cannibalizes your muscles to survive. A lot of people in here are convinced this is a prank, but we're talking about a world where people kill themselves when taking a selfie with a gun to their head and forgetting to check if it's loaded.

Darwin is rolling over in his goddamn grave son. Stop it.
It's mostly fatty tissue that is metabolised during fasting. He will lose muscle, but mostly fat.
14 days isn't fasting, it's starving.
Not true, starving would be when he has no fatty tissue left to metabolise. At 150 kgs there is a lot of energy in the body to live on that he will be using for food.
Here this may help:

Your brain will start to break down your body's own protein, The proteins release amino acids, which can be converted into glucose, which is great news for your brain but bad news for your body. Basically, your body is cannabilizing itself by destroying your muscle mass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heres-what-happens-to-your-body-when-you-stop-eating_us_55c26205e4b0d9b28f0544f8

Your body is cannibalizing your muscle mass.
What's more, "old" fat stored in the body?s peripheral tissues?around the belly, thighs, or butt (also called subcutaneous fat)can't be burned efficiently without "new" fat to help the process, according to researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Dietary fat helps break down existing fat by activating PPAR-alpha and fat-burning pathways through the liver.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/557726-eat-fat-to-burn-fat/
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
All you have to do to lose weight is burn more than you take in, this starving-yourself shit will kill you. You're supposed to burn away fat, not muscle tissue. When you starve, the body cannibalizes your muscles to survive. A lot of people in here are convinced this is a prank, but we're talking about a world where people kill themselves when taking a selfie with a gun to their head and forgetting to check if it's loaded.

Darwin is rolling over in his goddamn grave son. Stop it.
It's mostly fatty tissue that is metabolised during fasting. He will lose muscle, but mostly fat.
That is not how this works. His fat burning is actually slowed during fasting.
What?s more, "old" fat stored in the body's peripheral tissues around the belly, thighs, or butt (also called subcutaneous fat)can't be burned efficiently without "new" fat to help the process, according to researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Dietary fat helps break down existing fat by activating PPAR-alpha and fat-burning pathways through the liver.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/557726-eat-fat-to-burn-fat/
Why do people keep doing these things to themselves?
Many people have died from this, it is a horrible thing to do to yourself.
http://www.lifehack.org/379951/little-known-health-dangers-water-fasting
 

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As Lil devils x points out above, the process starts pretty much right off the bat. Also you're talking about fasting which is leaving out some foodstuffs but still eating something, and even when leaving out everything fasting like that only takes a few days due to the hazards mentioned above.

There's fasting and then there's starving. This dude is starving.
 

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MarshallNX said:
But I won't go to a doctor because they'll probably scold me and put all sort of needles in me.
I don't care if I get told off by a moderator for saying this.

You, Sir, a stupid bastard! That or you are suffering from a VERY bad case of eating disorder called Anorexia Nervosa.

You say you came on here because medical forums are empty or not responding. Here, see below. A free UK website from the NHS. Professional goddamn medical advice for free.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Anorexia-nervosa/Pages/Introduction.aspx

You're not going to the doctor because you know deep down somewhere that this is killing you and the Doctor will realise this as they are trained for years to provide healthcare to us.

Go to the Doctor, or ER/Accident emergency room. Maybe if you have one in the house, take a diarrhoea re hydration packet before you go (it'll get some needed sugar, salt and mineral salts in you.)

God DAMN! Stop trying to kill yourself, there's enough suffering and death in life WITHOUT you trying this!
 

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MarshallNX said:
After reading your responses, I decided I will start eating. I will eat small portions of tomatoes or rice, not too much, so it doesn't end bad. And I will try to eat something like 1400 calories a day, this will be lower then the 2000 plus that I normally need, so hopefully I will keep losing weight.

But I won't go to a doctor because they'll probably scold me and put all sort of needles in me.

Anyway, thx for your advice.
So I have a hard time imagining you actually did any of this, but just in case you did...

"Very Low Calorie Dieting" is sort of the "crash diet" that has been attempted in the past, always under physician supervision, for obese patients or (in one study) type 2 diabetics. You do lose weight rapidly, but in many cases any return to normal habits results in rapid re-gain of the weight. The diet is, obviously, not sustainable. VLC dieting also involves the intake of about 800 calories a day, usually in the form of meal replacement shakes but some people choose to do it with soups/salads. It's not super fun, but it's manageable.

0 calories a day would wreak havoc on a number of internal systems, promote muscle cannibalism and organ damage, and potentially lead to death. People survive accidental starvation so you'll likely survive purposeful starvation, but not without consequence. The damage to your metabolism can be extreme, and make future weight loss efforts and quality of life that much more challenging.

I recommend no more half-measures or self-directed nutritional plans because you're clearly rubbish at this. Find an accredited nutritionist or naturopath in your area and book as long a session as possible. Work out a plan for a full lifestyle change and food reintroduction. Also see a GP and get a variety of tests run, particularly on various essential vitamins. You might want to get your cardiac health checked too as muscle tissue can get cannibalized during starvation.

Actual weight loss requires one thing...sustainable lifestyle change. Key word is "sustainable".
 

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MarshallNX said:
But I won't go to a doctor because they'll probably scold me and put all sort of needles in me.
Openly scolding you would be very unprofessional behavior from a doctor. I don't think you should be too worried about that. And if you can go 14 days without freakin' food, why worry about needles? People who have been shot probably feel better than you do right now!

Besides: Once the doctor gets done saving your life, they can almost certainly help you lose weight in a comfortable, practical way that won't kill you!
 

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MarshallNX said:
But I won't go to a doctor because they'll probably scold me
They will probably say what you are doing is dangerous and stupid and won't result in long term weight loss anyway, yes.

Because what you are doing is dangerous and stupid and won't result in long term weight loss anyway.
 

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Best to just start eating regular, so long as you haven't put your body through too much hell and require medical assistance to rebalance the nutrients you've lost (which most likely is the case because 2+ weeks without food and only water is terrible on your system, electrolytes/sugars/essential vitamins/minerals are all probably extremely low).
Point being, starvation is never a valid form of weight loss and it'll shatter your health in the process even if you do manage to lose weight. Only way to really shed pounds is diet and exercise, and I know that sounds like a standard answer, but its damn true. Initially you may not lose a lot of weight with a proper diet/exercise regime, you might even pack a few pounds on at first. Muscle weighs more than fat (its more solid mass) so you may gain a few pounds at first while losing the fatty pounds. Really its fine though, its not the weight so much as the BMI you should be worried about.
It takes willpower and discipline, and it sucks if you're not used to sweating. I don't even mean going to a gym or jogging/running/bike riding. Simple exercises you can do at home, and a brisk walk around the neighborhood every day will do wonders for shedding weight. Then its also changing how you eat. Cut out the high sugar junk food, the empty calorie junk food (chips, soda, cake snacks/candy) and honestly find a nutritionist/dietician to help plan a meal schedule. If you don't know how to cook, now's the time to learn, because kitchen work makes you sweat. Toss your microwave in the trash (or just don't use it much if at all to cook) and start using the stove/oven to make food. Hell if you work and can't make time to cook daily, take a day off and make your weekly meals, freeze them and then you can use the microwave to thaw them for lunch/dinner. Breakfast though doesn't always have to be cooked, so you can save time there if that's a concern.
Anyway... whatever you do though, see a fuckin' doctor man. Suck up the bad feelings about getting scolded, because they're right, you're not and you need to hear it from a professional just how badly you screwed up. Doesn't mean there isn't hope, but you can't ignore it and expect it to go away either. You're most likely in a danger zone of health, and you really need a doctor's examination to evaluate whether or not you need further treatment.
No one here is being mean or nasty, but some are a bit righteously pissed off that you're taking such a chance with your health. Honestly that if anything should make you feel good someone you don't even know cares enough to be mad at you for gambling with your life. And you never know, seeing the doctor could reveal a condition like a thyroid problem that prevents weight loss and needs medication to balance the hormones so you can properly lose weight. You won't know if you don't go, and its not a smart idea to put it off any longer, especially, as I've said multiple times, when you're in a highly possible danger zone for your overall health.
Seriously, suck it up, go see a doc and be honest.
The future isn't dark, unless you refuse to walk out into the light my friend.
 

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MarshallNX said:
After reading your responses, I decided I will start eating. I will eat small portions of tomatoes or rice, not too much, so it doesn't end bad. And I will try to eat something like 1400 calories a day, this will be lower then the 2000 plus that I normally need, so hopefully I will keep losing weight.
But I won't go to a doctor because they'll probably scold me and put all sort of needles in me.

Anyway, thx for your advice.
Go to the god damn doctor!!!
 

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Don't be an idiot. Start eating again, see a doctor.

You want extreme dieting? I lost 11 1/2 stone in a year from walking 5 miles a day and eating 1700 calories, no sugar and cutting down to skimmed milk. Believe me or not i don't care

BUT you must balance your diet properly if you reduce your calories, cutting out empty calories first.

A starvation diet is never a good idea, unless you actually want to be ill or die!
 

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Lil devils x said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
Karathos said:
All you have to do to lose weight is burn more than you take in, this starving-yourself shit will kill you. You're supposed to burn away fat, not muscle tissue. When you starve, the body cannibalizes your muscles to survive. A lot of people in here are convinced this is a prank, but we're talking about a world where people kill themselves when taking a selfie with a gun to their head and forgetting to check if it's loaded.

Darwin is rolling over in his goddamn grave son. Stop it.
It's mostly fatty tissue that is metabolised during fasting. He will lose muscle, but mostly fat.
14 days isn't fasting, it's starving.
Not true, starving would be when he has no fatty tissue left to metabolise. At 150 kgs there is a lot of energy in the body to live on that he will be using for food.
Here this may help:

Your brain will start to break down your body's own protein, The proteins release amino acids, which can be converted into glucose, which is great news for your brain but bad news for your body. Basically, your body is cannabilizing itself by destroying your muscle mass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/heres-what-happens-to-your-body-when-you-stop-eating_us_55c26205e4b0d9b28f0544f8

Your body is cannibalizing your muscle mass.
What's more, "old" fat stored in the body?s peripheral tissues?around the belly, thighs, or butt (also called subcutaneous fat)can't be burned efficiently without "new" fat to help the process, according to researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Dietary fat helps break down existing fat by activating PPAR-alpha and fat-burning pathways through the liver.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/557726-eat-fat-to-burn-fat/
Instead of quoting googled sources, try taking a biochemistry course or two. I have.
 

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Lil devils x said:
That is not how this works.
Sorry, but it is. If it weren't, studies like this [http://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj/49/569/203.full.pdf] wouldn't be possible. Not to mention countless other examples of fasting for spiritual purposes or out of need.
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
Lil devils x said:
That is not how this works.
Sorry, but it is. If it weren't, studies like this [http://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj/49/569/203.full.pdf] wouldn't be possible. Not to mention countless other examples of fasting for spiritual purposes or out of need.
Studies like that involve constant medical supervision and daily nutritional supplements - noted in the methods on the first page - specifically to avoid that problem.
 

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Firstly, this kind of extreme crash dieting is extremely dangerous from a medical standpoint.

Secondly, it isn't actually particularly effective at promoting long-term weight loss. You'd be better off developing better eating habits, excercise and so forth which you can maintain consistently. It will also be much less punishing on you.

The minimum amount you should eat, even when dieting, is about 1200 calories on an average day. Below that, it's likely that your body will actually try to preserve as much fat as possible and it becomes disproportionately difficult to lose weight.

Some people have found that alternate-day fasting (or 5/2 fasting) works well for them as a weight loss method. Basically, for 5 days a week you eat a normal amount (c2000 calories) and on the other two days you eat only 500 calories (do not stop eating completely). The fast days should be spaced out so that you're never fasting for more than a day. This is healthy, and some people find it easier than conventional calorie restriction.

But basically, if you want to lose weight and maintain that weight, you need to develop a healthy diet you can eat for the rest of your life. Crash dieting won't help you do that, and the chances are that over time you'll simply put the weight back on again.