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Sara Fontaine

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Videogames are a large hobby of mine and have been since I was about 3 on my dad's Megadrive(I'm 20 now). I will admit though that I don't take much part in online communities except in Guild Wars, but even then the only people know I'm a girl are the ones I was in a guild with; I dropped lucky and found a pretty decent guild with nice people in it who weren't preoccupied with whether or not I had vent. When I go online I turn off 'Local' chat because I'd rather just get on with the game instead of having to sift through lines and lines of drivel to find something worthwile to answer. What also doesn't help the typical view of being a female gamer are the women and girls who feel the need to pronounce they're a woman in every game they play and then get annoyed when they don't get special treatment. I used to know a girl like that and eventually I stopped talking to her, because she got on my nerves so much complaining that all men are sexist and she's gonna quit playing Gears of War eventually. These are reasons I play single player games more than anything; so I don't have to put up with cybersex requests and insults (I've endured both on Guild Wars), as well as the fact I'm more interested in games with immersive stories rather than wondering if there's a multiplayer before I buy it.

The way women are sexualised in games doesn't really bother me. I tend to play RPG and fantasy games the most, and not much in those games is correct to reality anyway. In fact if I'm honest, I'd rather see a woman wearing something like Bayonetta's outfit or some of the more impractical Final Fantasy gear rather than covered head to toe in armour with no discernable gender, because the latter bores me.

Most people I know pull faces when they find out that when I say I'm a gamer I don't mean a casual gamer and I don't play things like Wii Sports or Mario. And the old arguments appear; "Aren't you a bit old for that sort of stuff?" "Girls shouldn't play videogames, why aren't you out getting hammered every other night and pulling random hot guys with us?" (That is a whole other discussion...). My answer for these people is simply that I enjoy playing games, from Final Fantasy and Mass Effect to Bioshock and Left 4 Dead. I refuse to touch Call of Duty though... I've tried it, and honestly, unless you're big on using online communities then there's no point playing; it's incredibly boring for me, but that's just my opinion. I don't mind that most people I know don't approve of my love of gaming, because I know there are places I can go and people I can talk to where it's a common interest, like here for example.
 

minakorocket

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siddif said:
The main problem id say with female gamers is the fact we keep saying Girls dont like/play games or exist in them as is said about MMOs

If people actually realised females do play games and included them if they wanted to play then maybe we wouldn't have this problem (if it even exists among certain age groups)
Yeah... and usually when someone says 'Girls don't play games' as a girl you gotta bite your tongue cause if you say 'Girls do play games, I play them' you immediately get spammed with 'so r u hot?' types of messages.

Nice.
 

AWDMANOUT

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Well, let's see...

Name a video game protagonist who isn't male and, wait for it, does not have giant breasts/excessive cleavage.

List is small, eh?

But other girls who don't mind that sorta stuff do play games. So yeah.
 

littlebunnyfifi

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I fricken love games and I am a girl! It's just there are so many things in games that detere women like overly sexualized girls and barely dressed chicks. And then you don't have the option to play as a girl character. I have had a hard time getting over that and I am still trying to get use to it. Yeah but games should be more inviting to girls. Just saying.
 

Catchy Slogan

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I'm a girl and I love games. Not the casual ones either. I love Mass Effect, Devil May Cry, Halo, CoD, GoW, Oblivion, Fallout, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, GTA series, The original 3 Tomb Raiders, Uncharted, Crash Bandicoot, the list goes on.

But, I do see your point. I've not really had that many female friends, and most of the time I can't seem to understand why some women seem to think that fashion is the be all and end all, or religiously read gossip magazines.

It might be something to do with social expectations, Something my step-brother seems to like to remind me is that 'Girls shouldn't play games.' And that the ones I play, (see Mass Effect and/or Bioshock) are particularily geeky. But fixating on your kill to death ratio in Black Ops somehow isn't.
 

Kirch Libre

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Why do you care? Seriously... As much as I would love to proclaim my stance on the issue me doing so would defeat my personal desire on broadening the market. If you want more females to play, stop caring and just make games that are fun.
 
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Em there are plenty of girls in games more so MMOs. They just keep quiet about it due to the general attitude people give them. Personally I think it is great they keep it to themselves. People should never ever bring race/sexuality/creed/belief into gaming. So yes there are many girl gamers they keep to themselves.
 

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Warty Bliggens said:
Don't hit on me silly boys, tee hee!
With the name of Warty, I'm surprised you're worried.

As for why girls don't seem to be into games, I think it's a case of upbringing. The Gamer-girls I do know are no different from those who don't play games except for in one respect; their parents let them play videogames when they first showed an interest.

Those girls who own consoles and play regularly enjoy games, and those who don't seem to be brought up to think that it s 'boy thing', so when they hear guys talking about games, they just fade out.
 

ApeShapeDeity

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SinisterGehe said:
Girls do game shut up about this.
I was at Wow: Cataclysm night release at my local gamestop there were about 300+ people there and every third was a woman. My wow guilds active mebers ~28 people of them 6 are confirmed girls, in the same gaming community that I am part of there are in total of 10 girls of total of ~45 active members.
Ok, so you're saying the MAJORITY are NOT female? So, you're actually saying the same thing as I did, but I should shut up about it?

Uhh.
 

Iznat

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ThePurpleStuff said:
Iznat said:
Girls do like games.
I'm a girl - I like games.

Most girls I know that play games though, (myself included) hate first person shooters.
HATE HATE HATE 'em.
It's scary :c

But otherwise, that's the only reason I can think of. Or, girl's ridiculous loss of finger function when being attacked >_>
I'm a girl as well and have the same thoughts about the FPS genre too, I don't like aliens or giant guns that shoot lasers (mostly) or big spaceships, basically futuristic stuff. I'm into more Medieval fantasy, like the Zelda series, or games like Dark Cloud, Odin Sphere and Skies of Arcadia. Realism = boring to me, at least sometimes. There are good games that have realism out there I've played. I did grow up with the super nintendo, but never became a real game till almost 11 years ago.
Oh, for sure. I'll read every science fiction book there is, but I can't get into games about aliens. So, no thanks Halo :p
The dystopian thing is good though, and the medieval thing. But not Hello Kitty Online. That was not worth the time it took to download at all :p

One Hit Noob said:
So it doesn't disturb you when a 13 year old boy trying his very best to make his voice deep, asking you to be his girlfriend? Because all the girls I know get tired of that.
That's actually never happened to me, in any game, ever. Guildies know I'm a girl, but they also know my boyfriend is in the same guild :p And my character is a female, so it's not like it's a hidden thing.
To be honest, I don't think I've even ever encountered a male come on to me online at any point, even on a forum or something like that.
Lmao, maybe my voice is just really unappealing :3
 

Syndarr

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I am a girl, and I love God of War. LOVE it. Let's just put that out there right now. I also love Silent Hill, Professor Layton, Final Fantasy, and Trauma Center, among many, many others. Yes, I like story- and character-driven games that make me think and pull me in emotionally, but I also like games where I can just carve bloody swathes through hordes of enemies. I don't think it's an issue of game genre, though I'm sure there are some game genres that you'll find a lot more boys playing than girls, and vice versa.

Girls do like games, and "girl gamers" are becoming less and less of a rarity in recent years, which is great. But yes, it's still a social image thing that a lot of people just can't seem to let go of. The media is probably to blame for this, and so are the gaming companies themselves. Again and again, the question is asked: "How do we sell games to girls?" And again and again, the question is answered: "Put a horse or a dress or something pink on the cover." THIS IS NOT HELPING, EITHER.

Girls don't like games that are made for girls (though again, I'm sure there are exceptions to that rule). Girls like games that are GOOD. Make good games, and girls will buy them. It is as simple as that. And hey, you know what? I'm pretty sure boys like games that are good, too!

This is just a vague theory, but maybe the word "girl" is also part of the problem. You think "girl", you think "Barbie dolls and tea parties". Maybe referring to female gamers as "women" might help get people's brains out of the childish mindset that produces childish, patronizing "girly games" because they think that's the only way to get females playing them. We're adults (well, some of us are), and we like to be treated as such.
 

Halo Fanboy

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Syndarr said:
Girls like games that are GOOD.
Unfortunately if this were true then there would be more then one woman I have ever met who has any respectable skill at a Cave STG.

I'll probably be called a sexist for this but I'll say that the want to compete and dominate others is less common in women.

This would explain why more and more women are joining games. The challenge and complex competition of games are being nuetered more and more over time.
 

ApeShapeDeity

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Firstly, let me thank those of you who came here to intelligently discuss the issue at hand.

Secondly, let me set up a booth so all my haters can form an orderly cue and take turns slapping me stupid.

I ask because I see games as a gender neutral medium. While I know and acknowlege that more and more young women are engaging with the medium (which is great) very few women my own age are prepared to. (I'm in my 30's) If they do, they don't likr to admit it. I just don't like that so many people miss out on a whole medium of expression.

That being said, I don't like gender (or anyother) types of stereotypes/prejudices. I'm a single dad and I raise my daughter to not believe but KNOW that these ideas are foolish.

She also LOVES games, her best friend loves games (who's parents are both gamers). Infact, my kid is so much into games that she wants to become a developer. (Which, incidentally, is a great way to get her to do her math homework.) I even went as far as buying her a $1,800+ computer and am getting her lessons in Flash, 3D design et cetera.

Oh, and yes. Her choice of games is somewhat different to my own. Because she's a somewhat different person.

BTW: I can't believe that people are still making lewd advances toward women and making fucked up sandwich getting "jokes". May I say to those people... 'Fuck you. If you can't think before you speak, please don't.' To my female counterparts, I apologise on behalf of my gender.
 

Kirch Libre

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ApeShapeDeity said:
Firstly, let me thank those of you who came here to intelligently discuss the issue at hand.

Secondly, let me set up a booth so all my haters can form an orderly cue and take turns slapping me stupid.

I ask because I see games as a gender neutral medium. While I know and acknowlege that more and more young women are engaging with the medium (which is great) very few women my own age are prepared to. (I'm in my 30's) If they do, they don't likr to admit it. I just don't like that so many people miss out on a whole medium of expression.

That being said, I don't like gender (or anyother) types of stereotypes/prejudices. I'm a single dad and I raise my daughter to not believe but KNOW that these ideas are foolish.

She also LOVES games, her best friend loves games (who's parents are both gamers). Infact, my kid is so much into games that she wants to become a developer. (Which, incidentally, is a great way to get her to do her math homework.) I even went as far as buying her a $1,800+ computer and am getting her lessons in Flash, 3D design et cetera.

Oh, and yes. Her choice of games is somewhat different to my own. Because she's a somewhat different person.

BTW: I can't believe that people are still making lewd advances toward women and making fucked up sandwich getting "jokes". May I say to those people... 'Fuck you. If you can't think before you speak, please don't.' To my female counterparts, I apologise on behalf of my gender.

Well said good sir!
 

Jimbo1212

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ApeShapeDeity said:
Why aren't girls into games? (Yeah, ok. I know this isn't universally true, but generally, face it.)

There must be something about it that either activly discourages women, or simply fails to capture their imaginations. I can almost guarantee that if you meet a nice girl at a party she's not going to want to hear about how you owned arse on Medal of Honor last night... Ok, those discussions can be tedious... meh.

The real question is 'Why don't (generally) females get enraptured with video game excellence?

Off the top of my head I can only surmise that it has a lot to do with the low brow gender roles depicted in many games, or the lack of female protagonists, or that female dialouge is being done badly.

Tell me what you think, I'd especially like to hear from our lady gamer friends and hear your opinions on this...
Because it is not socially acceptable for them to play proper games for some reason.
If they did play games other then ones on facebook then they would be treated as being weird, and many girls also have the impression that games are just 'silly'.

Ironically, every girl I know how has tried out gaming loves it. Women and logic for you.....
 

Exterminas

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I am sorry to say that, but you are talking to the wrong girls.

Of course you cannot walk up to the dressed up gals at you lokal bar and ask: "Hey sweetie, are you into teebagging? Wanna see me discharging my plasma rifle?" And expect anything but a well-deserved slap.

There are a lot of girls out there, playing games. In fact I know more girls that are seriously into gaming, than I know men. Unfortunately these are all very "nerdy" girls in the sense that they don't have a mircaculous waistline or huge breasts.

To put it simple: There is a reason why a teenage buy spends all his time gaming, instead of playing football or shaking the happy maker. This reason can be applyed to girls as well. Unfortunately for the male percetion of the opposite sex the resulting female is rarely recognized as such, because they aren't THAT gorgeous.

Even shorter: There are gamer girls out there, but many of them aren't the girls you would consider attractive, which make them seem rarer than they are.
 

Jennacide

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Why? Here's one reason: threads like this. It's the main reason why a lot of female gamers won't speak up. Or our treatment on services like XBL. (I refuse to ever use it again)

We won't ever outnumber the more vocal male playerbase, but it's a load to think there aren't any female gamers that aren't horrible stereotypes. (Frag Dolls I'm looking at you idiots) And gross assumptions are just that. I have no issue with FPSs, I play TF2 on a daily basis, though less now with the over abundance of trading and hat crap.
 

Ildecia

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AstylahAthrys said:
We do like games, actually. Whenever I get a girl to play a game, even one like Halo, they have a blast. Many are just turned off by them because guys can be overzealous about them.
as someone who has a lot of friends (guys and girls) that play video games (myself being a guy) I've come to this conclusion as well.

I can take any game I've played in the past week, and tell you that not only did i play it for something like 20 hours over the past 7 days, my friend (who is a girl) has probably only played that same game this week for about 5, maybe 10.

I've had the occasional all-nighter gaming binge with girl gamer friends. just less often than with guy gamer friends.