Feminism: has it gone to far?
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I hate all feminism that sets out to say Women are better than men
I'm on board with the theory that says We are all equal but different, and these differences are what makes life fun. Men and women complement each other.
Forget competition, go with complementary instead. Women are not better, Men are not better, we're all just awesome. End of story.
I'm on board with the theory that says We are all equal but different, and these differences are what makes life fun. Men and women complement each other.
Forget competition, go with complementary instead. Women are not better, Men are not better, we're all just awesome. End of story.
I've known men proven innocent of rape as claimed by women, they're lives are ruined, their accusers are still treated like victims.
I know young boys and men sexually assaulted by women that have confessed their crimes; these women are dismissed, the boys and men are now disabled due to their trauma and end up drug addicted or committing suicide.
Society views women like they do children; they're inherently sweet, incapable of genuine harm save for a scant few, and are otherwise to be nurtured and kept safe. The same society reviles men, especially male victims, for their weakness.
Fully ignoring what I've just said (all of which is unfortunately true), ask yourselves this; why is is that if a man does something to violently injure a woman's genitalia, it's monstrous, but when a woman does the same to a man (a kick to the balls or pulling a Bobbitt) it's either comedy or she's a champion of feminism?
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I know young boys and men sexually assaulted by women that have confessed their crimes; these women are dismissed, the boys and men are now disabled due to their trauma and end up drug addicted or committing suicide.
Society views women like they do children; they're inherently sweet, incapable of genuine harm save for a scant few, and are otherwise to be nurtured and kept safe. The same society reviles men, especially male victims, for their weakness.
Fully ignoring what I've just said (all of which is unfortunately true), ask yourselves this; why is is that if a man does something to violently injure a woman's genitalia, it's monstrous, but when a woman does the same to a man (a kick to the balls or pulling a Bobbitt) it's either comedy or she's a champion of feminism?
My 2¢
Crimes don't really count in the "equality vs. inequality" argument; and also, don't ignore the biological advantages inherent in the sexes, women and men will be better at certain types of jobs, men are biologically predisposed towards physical jobs, they are naturally stronger than women, there's no denying that. (there are exceptions of course.) Likewise, women will be beter as teachers,office workers, and other literary/nuturing roles, statistically, that is where they thrive (again, this is only a generalization, there are always exceptions.) this is the same reason men tend to be abusers in domestic violence, how many women are stronger than their husbands?Korolev said:
I support feminism, but women need to be willing to give up their priviliges and special treatment (men pay for things, no required draft) ect. before they get rights in turn. Again, I supprot feminism, but one can't have their cake and eat it...
Also, I'm fairly certain that men don't really control women anymore... thats generally frowned upon nowadays... -_-0 your talking about 4 decades ago. While women do have disadvantages, that is mostly stigma, and difficulty in forming the right conections. A good deal of networking is done in "gentlemens clubs," where women aren't allowed entry.(please note these are not strip clubs, yes there are gentelmens clubs without scantally-clad women...) Don't blame men for the lack of advancement in womens rights, clean up the image first, this thread i evidence enough of the problem. To advance work-rights, are you willing to give up those customs that you are familairy with, not paying for dates, having chivilarly truly 'dead?' Ask yourself that, then complain about equality
I've actually had many a debate with my girlfriend on this issue, and last yaar we had a university module focussing on gender that also gave rise to a number of discussions
Just to get it out the way now, I disagree with the term feminism. It was fine when the fight for equality started out, but I think the problem now is that it has become associated with people who take it to the extreme ('feminazis'), and that it sounds very exclusive. It is very difficult for a man to label himself a feminist, because of all the connotations. I personally like to think of myself as an equalist, in that I think everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunites. Feminism sounds like it excludes any problems based around race, or age, or any other issue
In terms of feminism going 'too far', I am conflicted about it. In some regards, I think that political correctness has taken over and tried to make things 'equal' but going about it in a very wrong way, such as dictating a certain number of jobs that must be occupied by women (this is called positive discrimination). This isn't down to the work of feminists though. I think that a push for genuine equality, where everyone is judged on their merits, not on their sex is a fantaastic aim, and I am fully behind it
The problems arise when people take things to extremes, and demnd to be afforded a certain opportunity or job because they are a woman. This is why people end up with stereotypes of feminists, because these extremes are the most memorable, and so form the greatest impressions. As a lot of people have said, when people make it impossible to know whether or not you should hold a door for them, things get ridiculous (Personally, I tend to hold the door for anyone, it's common politeness. It is also polite to thank people when they do this, a fact that seems to be lost on a lot of people who live in my city).
I think that it is also important to have a look at how the rise of equality is affecting men. Feminists have often complained about objectification, but the objectification of men has been steadily on the rise since the 80s. Men are increasingly having more plastic surgery, and using more and more beauty products. I would say that there is just as much pressure now on men to look good as there is for women. Granted, this is far more equal, but is it a good thing? I personally think no
I would heartily reccommend this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/03/gender.healthandwellbeing
I'll tell you that the title of it is 'Depressed, repressed, objectified; are men the new women?' and let you decide whether or not you agree
Just to get it out the way now, I disagree with the term feminism. It was fine when the fight for equality started out, but I think the problem now is that it has become associated with people who take it to the extreme ('feminazis'), and that it sounds very exclusive. It is very difficult for a man to label himself a feminist, because of all the connotations. I personally like to think of myself as an equalist, in that I think everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunites. Feminism sounds like it excludes any problems based around race, or age, or any other issue
In terms of feminism going 'too far', I am conflicted about it. In some regards, I think that political correctness has taken over and tried to make things 'equal' but going about it in a very wrong way, such as dictating a certain number of jobs that must be occupied by women (this is called positive discrimination). This isn't down to the work of feminists though. I think that a push for genuine equality, where everyone is judged on their merits, not on their sex is a fantaastic aim, and I am fully behind it
The problems arise when people take things to extremes, and demnd to be afforded a certain opportunity or job because they are a woman. This is why people end up with stereotypes of feminists, because these extremes are the most memorable, and so form the greatest impressions. As a lot of people have said, when people make it impossible to know whether or not you should hold a door for them, things get ridiculous (Personally, I tend to hold the door for anyone, it's common politeness. It is also polite to thank people when they do this, a fact that seems to be lost on a lot of people who live in my city).
I think that it is also important to have a look at how the rise of equality is affecting men. Feminists have often complained about objectification, but the objectification of men has been steadily on the rise since the 80s. Men are increasingly having more plastic surgery, and using more and more beauty products. I would say that there is just as much pressure now on men to look good as there is for women. Granted, this is far more equal, but is it a good thing? I personally think no
I would heartily reccommend this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/03/gender.healthandwellbeing
I'll tell you that the title of it is 'Depressed, repressed, objectified; are men the new women?' and let you decide whether or not you agree
So true... But if you were to defend yourself in a way that meant you were not causing physical pain, you should not feel as if you are a monster. Nobody should be allowed to expect anyone to stand there and take either a physical or verbal beating, be it man to man, woman to woman, man to woman or woman to man.BiscuitTrouser said:
That OR...
You COULD stop giving a damn and teach the physically/verbally abusive woman a lesson. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate the high strung ***** being taken down a notch. (jks btw.... or is it.......?)
*Inhale*
This has been a long, long, long, long, long, long and depressing, albeit strangely insightful, read.
To me, true equality is unobtainable on a personal level.
Society may view one sex as being superior to the other or, perhaps some day, "equal", but that really doesn't matter all that much. If you take a moment to consider that all of our interactions on a day to day basis involve just a scant number of individuals, each of which having their own biases, experiences, and opinions on the matter, I think it becomes very difficult to hold up any real claim of personal persecution or anecdote as proof positive of a sex's socially ascribed value.
That's not to say that there isn't basic biological inequality between the sexes. As its been said numerous times so far; Men, in general, are physically more capable than women. Women are, in general, better suited to care giving professions. These are two very basic, some might say stereotypical, examples of differences between men and women.
Those crying foul are right about them being stereotypical, but that fact doesn't diminish the truth behind those stereotypes. I'd like to think that nobody would argue this statement, but I like being surprised.
I'm also not particularly fond of crimes against human beings. I'm also not particularly fond of those same disgusting crimes being used as cannon fodder to further someone's agenda.
I'm losing track of my point here...
To recap: Sex-based equality isn't feasibly obtainable, as no power short of the hand of god...or mind altering drugs carefully distributed into the world's atmosphere and/or systematically placed in the water supplies of population centers...can prevent individuals from potentially fucking up your day. Feminism is the same thing as masculism. Both are ill-advised routes to pursue in terms of social betterment. Holding up rape and battery as purely female issues and attributing those terrible things to a state of sexual inequality in society as opposed to simple criminal and horrific individual behavior is just foolish.
*Exhale*
On a personal bias/opinion level; You're all the same to me. Some of you are better to look at, male or female, but that's about the extent of the difference. I don't dislike anyone for any reason other than because their personality and actions are worthy of my disdain.
Hugs folks. Be safe and what not.
Try not to take this too seriously, just trying to let the thoughts roll in between Reach multiplayer matches.
This has been a long, long, long, long, long, long and depressing, albeit strangely insightful, read.
To me, true equality is unobtainable on a personal level.
Society may view one sex as being superior to the other or, perhaps some day, "equal", but that really doesn't matter all that much. If you take a moment to consider that all of our interactions on a day to day basis involve just a scant number of individuals, each of which having their own biases, experiences, and opinions on the matter, I think it becomes very difficult to hold up any real claim of personal persecution or anecdote as proof positive of a sex's socially ascribed value.
That's not to say that there isn't basic biological inequality between the sexes. As its been said numerous times so far; Men, in general, are physically more capable than women. Women are, in general, better suited to care giving professions. These are two very basic, some might say stereotypical, examples of differences between men and women.
Those crying foul are right about them being stereotypical, but that fact doesn't diminish the truth behind those stereotypes. I'd like to think that nobody would argue this statement, but I like being surprised.
I'm also not particularly fond of crimes against human beings. I'm also not particularly fond of those same disgusting crimes being used as cannon fodder to further someone's agenda.
I'm losing track of my point here...
To recap: Sex-based equality isn't feasibly obtainable, as no power short of the hand of god...or mind altering drugs carefully distributed into the world's atmosphere and/or systematically placed in the water supplies of population centers...can prevent individuals from potentially fucking up your day. Feminism is the same thing as masculism. Both are ill-advised routes to pursue in terms of social betterment. Holding up rape and battery as purely female issues and attributing those terrible things to a state of sexual inequality in society as opposed to simple criminal and horrific individual behavior is just foolish.
*Exhale*
On a personal bias/opinion level; You're all the same to me. Some of you are better to look at, male or female, but that's about the extent of the difference. I don't dislike anyone for any reason other than because their personality and actions are worthy of my disdain.
Hugs folks. Be safe and what not.
Try not to take this too seriously, just trying to let the thoughts roll in between Reach multiplayer matches.
"Ok...I don't want to start a war..or get shouted at...but I really think that feminism has gone a bit to far. I mean that I think that the feminists have done what they set out to do and now they are just trying to make them selves better then men.
Tell me what you think of feminism...and please don't flame me. Please?"
Yeah, people find that equal rights only matter when the majority differ from the reality.
It's a shame that ignorant people who post leave such a trail of low moral support.
Tell me what you think of feminism...and please don't flame me. Please?"
Yeah, people find that equal rights only matter when the majority differ from the reality.
It's a shame that ignorant people who post leave such a trail of low moral support.