Feminist Frequency Removes Fan Art From Tropes Vs. Women Banner

[Cecilo]

She can't give away the money to charity, that's against the rules of Kickstarter. And I imagine that you personally aren't too disappointed that she hasn't come out with all the videos she promised yet, so why complain? It's Kickstarter, the backers know the risks. Just because she has a ton of money doesn't make her magically more efficient at whatever she's doing.

But it makes her a hypocrit and perhaps a tax fraud depending on how that goes down in the US.. gaining 160k tax free? IDK about you but that sounds rather fishy to me (unless kickstarter money is taxed, again im no expert in US tax laws)

Its also against the rules to use the money for something else then the project.. however there was no increase in quality visible, nor has she finished the project in over 2 years now.

So where is the money? If feminist frequency is a non-profit public-beneficial organisation... where has the money gone to, is it still on some account, and if yes what is going to happen with the interest that money generates? Was it all spend? On what was it spend?

See aslong as these questions arent answered coming out and saying youre a non profit organisation is rediculus and probably against the law.. and yet people eat it up like sweet candy and never get tired of putting her on a pedestal.

So as soon as everyone stops putting her on said pedestal i will stop pointing out the glaring issues surrounding her entire persona and modus operanti.

If she is using the Kickstarter money for personal gain, then yeah, that would make her a terrible person. However, I honestly haven't heard a single argument that supports that claim except that despite [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic] having [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Turn_Off_the_Dark] a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Ranger_(2013_film)] large [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Human] budget, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_(film)] the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_Returns] end [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_Revolutions] result [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern_(film)] is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_3] lacking [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond:_Two_Souls] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men:_The_Last_Stand] quality [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld].

And I'm almost certain KickStarter money is taxed - developers complain about it all the time.

Hey, I agree with you here but ToR is a decent game, if it were entirely free to play, or a single player game I would rank it right up there with KoToR 1 And 2, and while I may not personally like Beyond Two Souls Style of "Game", it is still crafted well, well made and visually pleasing.

 

[Karadalis]

And I'm almost certain KickStarter money is taxed - developers complain about it all the time.

Thanks for clearing that one up for me.

But the other problem still exists as i said, Kickstarter has no way of controlling what the money is used for after it is handed over.

So all of kickstarters rules regarding the usage of funds goes right out the window after it left their hands.

Or how does kickstarter check if the money you spend was for a ferrari or some camera equipment or research material? Or the difference between a business flight to interview some head figures from the Gaming industry from a trip to hawai?

Oh and about the links you posted:

The projects where flawed from a writing/directing/acting standpoint. But they all used their budged for the movie/games they where making and NOT have the budged simply "disapear" into nothingness and then delivering a half assed project or a B rank quality movie (from a technical standpoint).

If you want to make a comparison it would be like the Director of Lone ranger having this huge budged and then delivering special effects with cardboard cutouts and sylvester pyrotechnics... usually at this point you would start to question where all the money went that they had available now wouldnt you?

So your comparisons dont work very well here.

160 K is an umber that you could live around 5 years from if you took 3k away from it each month. And yet people still say she didnt profit from it?

 

[The Lunatic]

Interesting that she'd rather remove the image than pay an artist for the use of it.


Her choice, I suppose.

 

[Goliath100]

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Define "gamer". Define "game" too, when we are first at it.

 

[ShakerSilver]

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Define "gamer". Define "game" too, when we are first at it.

What does that have to do with anything I just said?

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

snippety.

I posted a link above. There is no controversy to debate about. She is in fact non-profit, according to California's online filing for corporation statements of information.

https://businessfilings.sos.ca.gov/frmDetail.asp?CorpID=03587383&qrystring=FEMINIST+FREQUENCY

The NFL and NHL are nonprofits as well. Nonprofit doesn't mean the business makes no revenue. Its basically a tax-exempt status.

 

[Madmonk12345]

snippety.

I posted a link above. There is no controversy to debate about. She is in fact non-profit, according to California's online filing for corporation statements of information.

https://businessfilings.sos.ca.gov/frmDetail.asp?CorpID=03587383&qrystring=FEMINIST+FREQUENCY

Lawyertalk.

Just because it says so on the paper doesnt mean her bank accounts arent filled with money she made thanks to feminist frequency.

Also doesnt take into acount the kickstarter money that vanished without a trace. But since theres no one to sue theres no one to check now is there?

Wouldnt be the first "non profit" organisation that people actually profit over.

The more possibilities you speculate given evidence to the contrary, the closer you get to conspiracyland. It's an unfalsifiable claim, as any documents she comes up with can be accused of being forged. There's no amount of evidence that would guarantee that she didn't spend more than that on some receipt that she didn't show us, given that she can't have spent all that money if she isn't fraudulent, so there's a huge buffer where no matter how much she shows there will never be enough. Paypal screenshots are easily forged to the point that people do it for laughs, so it's not like that will do anything. As I was saying, it's the "Obama's birth certificate" of feminist discourse, merely a waste of time of the accused, and derailing of any actual discourse on things that matter.

Additionally, the evidence was for whether or not she was a non-profit organization, which by that document she legally is, not if she was a "fraud".

And if the case was this simple why didnt Sarkesians managment simply pointed to the same link you provided when asked for proof?

She has the (depressingly, false) belief that people won't assume her lying on every little detail she says to the point that she needs to involve a third party or the government to prove it.

 

[Goliath100]

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What does that have to do with anything I just said?

What do it have to do with what you said? Nothing! The video you used: Everything.

 

[Madmonk12345]

snippety.

I posted a link above. There is no controversy to debate about. She is in fact non-profit, according to California's online filing for corporation statements of information.

https://businessfilings.sos.ca.gov/frmDetail.asp?CorpID=03587383&qrystring=FEMINIST+FREQUENCY

The NFL and NHL are nonprofits as well. Nonprofit doesn't mean the business makes no revenue. Its basically a tax-exempt status.

Then why does everyone care so much if she calls herself nonprofit?

You just said it doesn't matter.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

Well, they handled that pretty well, just removing it instead of letting it drag on into drama which could potentially cause PR damage.

 

[ShakerSilver]

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What does that have to do with anything I just said?

What do it have to do with what you said? Nothing! The video you used: Everything.

If you would have watched the video you would have seen that it simply made the claim, while providing evidence, that Anita is not the gamer she wants us to believe she is; someone who plays the games that are more functional the the average iPhone or facebook game. I mean when she says herself that "[she is] not a fan of video games", then her relationship with them is rather dubious. If you want, I could share even more videos with you, because you don't seemed convinced.

Spoiler

 

[Voulan]

Good, all problems solved, and everyone's happy. All resolved in a professional way.

Although I'm not surprised that the thread has still managed to devolve into screams of, "but it doesn't matter! She's EVIL! Look at this conspiracy!!1!"

 

[Nomad]

Interesting that she'd rather remove the image than pay an artist for the use of it.


Her choice, I suppose.

That is not at all my interpretation. My interpretation is instead that the whole idea of the banner is to illustrate the point she wants to make with the project, i.e that the industry uses certain tropes. Displaying fanart does nothing to further this point, whereas the opposite is true of official art. My interpretation is also corroborated by a quote in the newspost.

"but since we honestly did not intend to use fan art in this case, we have voluntarily gone ahead and replaced the fan art in our old collage as a gesture of goodwill."

Honestly, at this point I think she could probably go ahead and cure cancer and people would complain about it.

 

[Goliath100]

someone who plays the games that are more functional the the average iPhone or facebook game

Can you think of any other terms that can be defined exactly the same way?

 

[ShakerSilver]

Good, all problems solved, and everyone's happy. All resolved in a professional way.

Although I'm not surprised that the thread has still managed to devolve into screams of, "but it doesn't matter! She's EVIL! Look at this conspiracy!!1!"

It must be fun to dismiss any discussion or criticism of a topic by labeling people off as screaming fools.

someone who plays the games that are more functional the the average iPhone or facebook game

Can you think of any other terms that can be defined exactly the same way?

"Casual games". This is what you wanted to hear, yes? The definition of a "gamer" is irrelevant, because even in the videos themselves, they don't discredit mention of games like Angry Birds when looking for her own words about games. The point of the videos were to shed light on the fact that Anita has not been a fan of games and has seemed to only taken interest in them when her research demanded that she play them.

 

[Madmonk12345]

Good, all problems solved, and everyone's happy. All resolved in a professional way.

Although I'm not surprised that the thread has still managed to devolve into screams of, "but it doesn't matter! She's EVIL! Look at this conspiracy!!1!"

It must be fun to dismiss any discussion or criticism of a topic by labeling people off as screaming fools.

There's a difference between dismissing criticism because it's been addressed a million times and dismissing criticism based on someone's political beliefs. The belief that Anita Sarkeesian is a fraud has been rebutted fifty thousand ways from Sunday to the point that it can be easily used to derail any productive discussion. It might as well be the "IF WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS, WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS!1!1!11!eleven" of the debate; everyone and their mothers and grandmothers has a stock rebuttal prepared for such occasions that pointlessly fill threads, and every user of such points has stock responses to those responses too. At this point, its continued popularity is far more relevant than the point ever was.

 

[Andy Chalk]

Interesting that she'd rather remove the image than pay an artist for the use of it.

As she says in the post, it's not about not wanting to pay the illustrator, it's about wanting to use official art, which is what she thought was the case all along.

 

[ryukage_sama]

Honestly, at this point I think she could probably go ahead and cure cancer and people would complain about it.

Well, there must be at least a few evil people who have cancer, so she better not save them to.

In all seriousness, it's better that this ended amicably.

 

[The Lunatic]

Interesting that she'd rather remove the image than pay an artist for the use of it.

As she says in the post, it's not about not wanting to pay the illustrator, it's about wanting to use official art, which is what she thought was the case all along.

Yeah, must have missed that part. Silly me.


But, I don't know. I hate to sound critical of this, because, I will get flak from people whom think any criticism of this whole thing is somehow being critical of all women ever, but...


Given she's already used this artwork, without any permission, in many promotional locations and events.

Isn't the artist owed something? Surely at least a token gesture of good faith. At least a "Thank you for providing artwork for my video series and talks" wouldn't go amiss.

To me, it seems a bit unfair to not give payment for work used, even if unintentionally. You made the mistake, it's not the artists fault you used their work, but, you did, you should probably offer payment.

 

[Goliath100]

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I was gunning for "casual gamer", but who cares.
A sub category has the same definition as the main category. That means that the main category, "gamer" in this case, is a pointless term. Or, that the terms "casual gamer" and "gamer" are one and the same. Than how can she be "not a real gamer" when you seem to say she is a "casual gamer", which is the same as a "gamer" by definition?